Incapacitating Strike Silence 5.0.3

Takes-No-Prisoner

Iskiab wrote: »

How long is a dodge roll? A bit longer then 1 second? Is two dodge rolls long enough to outlast it?

I think it's like 2 seconds. You don't need to roll dodge twice to avoid Incap, only once. Typically, when I hear the sound effect for Incap starting up, I'm already buffering a roll dodge.

Kaysha

Iskiab wrote: »

How long is a dodge roll? A bit longer then 1 second? Is two dodge rolls long enough to outlast it?

your two dodge rolls will just be followed by a fear. and now you are out of stamina.

Durham

This is insane .. probably the most idiotic change I have ever seen.

Minno

no wonder Kena quit both the game and as rep lol.

Ankael07

Every single patch they manage to make a change that makes people ask ''Do they even play their own game?''

...every single patch...

lnigo

Time to backbar sword and board

DeadlyRecluse

Has anyone tested if it can be broken-free yet? Or if it Silences if you are already CC immune?

If it is treated as a CC (which is how negate worked for a couple patches), it's no big deal. If it's a "debuff" outside of the CC system....whoooo boy. Time to hang up the solo magicka hat for a while.

Minno

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Has anyone tested if it can be broken-free yet? Or if it Silences if you are already CC immune?

If it is treated as a CC (which is how negate worked for a couple patches), it's no big deal. If it's a "debuff" outside of the CC system....whoooo boy. Time to hang up the solo magicka hat for a while.

I can follow this logic.

NBrookus

Guys... think of the poor Nightblades. Some of them actually failed to kill their targets. We can't have that.

Masel

Me when I saw the patch notes:



The rest is fine btw, but the incap change...

The_Shadowborn

Masel wrote: »

Me when I saw the patch notes:

Glad to see the Class Rep system is working well xD

Well done Zos

Brrrofski

This is actually hilarious how stupid of a change this is. So if you incap a mag dude you basically get a gauranteed kill?

Actually out of their minds...

BaylorCorvette

Now mag classes will use Vigor

Durham

Not just a mag dude any dude ..

JamesDX

Hybrid classes OP?

Pronto

That's way too much.

HankTwo

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Has anyone tested if it can be broken-free yet? Or if it Silences if you are already CC immune?

If it is treated as a CC (which is how negate worked for a couple patches), it's no big deal. If it's a "debuff" outside of the CC system....whoooo boy. Time to hang up the solo magicka hat for a while.

If cc immunity would prevent the silence and if you could break free from it while gaining cc immunity when doing so, then this silencing effect could be balanced around the cc system. However, there was no notion about this in the patch notes, so right now it looks extremely broken to me.

FlamingBeard

Gilliam is the most biased developer

Firstmep

Kaysha wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

How long is a dodge roll? A bit longer then 1 second? Is two dodge rolls long enough to outlast it?

your two dodge rolls will just be followed by a fear. and now you are out of stamina.

This. Right. Here.

I run 18k stam on all my mag toons already, how am i supposed to go on the offensive aganist any stamblade, knowing they can completely shut my char down for 3 seconds?

I wonder if reactive procs when silenced?

Frudu

Make counterplay to nbs? (without having to waste skillslots or pots for only one class) Open up diversity in playstyles and setups for nb? (not just typical runaway 2h/bow nb or healcloak bashblade) Keep them fun to play? (did a great job creating a class that feels fun to play in its way. So make it balanced but dont destroy it)

Zos: Nope! Keep the ultra-small hitwindow aka cloakdodging away all time. So don't cry when we make everything else *** lol. You can still cloakdodge runaway. So what do you want ??

Spizzie

This is by far the most unbalanced changed I've seen on the PTS cycle in years. 3 seconds of silence on any Mag toon is guaranteed death without any possibility for counter, and it barely affects Stam toons in any way whatsoever. Only stamblades will be adversely affected by it but they can just roll dodge until the silence ends. A stam DK is just going to block+vigor+rally, stamplar is going to vigor + stun, stamsorc is going to lol, stamwarden is going to use every heal available without any issues. Stamina characters would LOVE to be silenced rather than defiled, and yet there is absolutely zero counterplay to this mechanic as a mag class. Have you ever seen a magicka character with less than 50k health and a S&B stand in a Negate bubble for 3 seconds and survive? I have not.

The only way that silence is balanced right now is that you can sprint/roll dodge out of the AoE, which is using up precious stamina as is. Putting the silence -on- the character, regardless of positioning, for 3 seconds? There's not a magicka toon in the game that can survive that. It's insta-win without potential for response. You can't prebuff to survive, you can't roll dodge or block your way through it, and you can't heal the damage.

This genuinely makes you wonder if any of the people at ZoS even play magicka toons. Damage mitigation from Stam toons already grossly outmatches that of Mag toons, and there is no Stam equivalent to silence.

It's unbalanced in the most severe and literal understanding of the word. Absolutely guarantees decimation on a mag toon and barely affects a stam toon. I don't understand what is going on here.

Daedric_NB_187

Just bow to your new Daedric Princes of Tamriel. The Stamblades.

HankTwo

Just think about the scenarios:

1v1 or 1vX: mag player has to dodge roll 2 times to avoid damage, then gets stunned but can't break free because of lack of stamina --> dead mag player
BGs: silencing the healer of a group during ulti dump --> pretty much assured group wipe

This proposed change just seems insane :S

Kolzki

So mag chars now slot earth gore and kill the nb 3 seconds later than before? A fun idea, but perhaps a little overtuned against mag chars and a little weak against stam. I like the resource return idea though.

Minno

HankTwo wrote: »

Just think about the scenarios:

1v1 or 1vX: mag player has to dodge roll 2 times to avoid damage, then gets stunned but can't break free because of lack of stamina --> dead mag player
BGs: silencing the healer of a group during ulti dump --> pretty much assured group wipe

This proposed change just seems insane :S

you arent dodging fear though lol.

EtTuBrutus

So broken!

templesus

Can comfortably say this game will be getting uninstalled if this goes live. They shouldn’t even wait until next week, that silence needs to be removed IMMEDIATELY.

Czekoludek

Looks like devs started to use new incap cuz they silenced a lot of threads xd

FakeZavos

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Just bow to your new Daedric Princes of Tamriel. The Stamblades.

New?

DeadlyRecluse

Czekoludek wrote: »

Looks like devs started to use new incap cuz they silenced a lot of threads xd

Ayyy that's a good one.