WHY so many players RUN DK in PvP

Onefrkncrzypope

marius_buys wrote: »

Yes ZOS, Stam DK's are not OP at all, they are not running around Cyrodill 1vX'ing everyone at all...keep going ZOS I will be levelling my stam DK.

PS: Note to the analphabetical troglodytes, excluding Orcs of course, the first paragraph is from the patch notes and from official ZOS communication, the comment is from me an sarcastic.

I mean people can easily walk out of the ulti on live. At least you get a visual cue that you can block it. I mean its not like it will be used just for snares for goodness sakes. Most dks I meet in Cyrodiil are either lowbie zerglings that liked the name and then there are the masochist that are the hold overs of gamers that got better at the game and still stayed instead of moving to greener pastures. Its hard to picture someone choosing, coming from anything but a maybe a stam sorc, to a dk dps for overworld.


The class is either a pyros wet dream or a blank canvas. Neither will be the trouble of PvP next patch. They are strong in the right hands but that is the least of Cyrodiil problem. I'm afraid for the health of overworld PvP with the very concerning abilities that the necro can use.

It is a very fun class once you learn the sustain mini game and how to fight with a longer TTK.

Iskiab

With all the talk of DKs losing the ability to reflect projectiles I missed that Wardens will still be able to absorb projectiles.

My prediction: PvP will be full of all Wardens and Necros.

Have to wonder if it’s a coincidence since they’re both DLC classes.

Durham

I see Red with the most DKs on my kill counter last Red DKs were the most popular. 4 out of the top 10 are DKs on the red side. Yellow have always been lighter on the pop of DKs. Blue I also see DKs as being very popular. So I think it depends a little bit on the faction you play

Bergzorn

Numbers from today's leaderbord of Sotha Sil PC/EU (dc/ep/ad/sum):

nb: 20/15/32/67
sorc: 22/31/24/77
dk: 14/14/15/43
templar: 22/28/18/68
warden: 22/12/11/45

brandonv516

It's definitely more like 75% from the data I have collected.

evoniee

maybe popularity of nb is higer than dk. but im really sure in pc eu that there is more pro player use dk atm.
there is more chance you meet a good dk than a good nb.

idk

CaliMade wrote: »

This thread is a joke. These baseless ass percentages are also a joke.

I think the thread was intended to troll thought it chose the means of coming off uninformed and such. OP has followed up with some odd comments that seem to support this.

Strider__Roshin

Waffennacht wrote: »

Seriously, in Xbox console BGs

Sorcs NBs and DKs are the most popular

Some matches can have 4 of each.

Wardens perform just as well, but they definitely have a lower populace than the others.

I've been keeping track of every BG I watch ever since these most popular polls have been created

Weird. Wardens are at least 50% of the population for BGs on PS4.

In Cyrodiil definitely DKs and Templars are the majority. Nightblades are probably the lowest population in open world Cyrodiil here.

Different platform, different exposure I suppose.

idk

Daus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Seriously, in Xbox console BGs

Sorcs NBs and DKs are the most popular

Some matches can have 4 of each.

Wardens perform just as well, but they definitely have a lower populace than the others.

I've been keeping track of every BG I watch ever since these most popular polls have been created

Weird. Wardens are at least 50% of the population for BGs on PS4.

In Cyrodiil definitely DKs and Templars are the majority. Nightblades are probably the lowest population in open world Cyrodiil here.

Different platform, different exposure I suppose.

Someone else posted numbers they cannot support which are numbers that are likely inaccurate. But I know your numbers are more accurate than anyone elses because it is based on your knowledge of class superiority and your observation is obviously foolproof.

Ryanoxx

I don't see the point why there are so many complaining about Dks. StamDk is strong but by far not the best choice for 1vX. MagDk in 1vX probably sucks the most right now and took a big hit with the rootcooldown introduced with Elsweyr. I know that some abilities like Molten Whip got buffed. But the only buff that would matter for 1vXers on MagDk is Dragonblood and Inhale. You can't run Molten Whip if you want to survive in 1vX. So please specify the titel. I play MagSorc and MagDk and MagSorc is a much better choice for 1vX than Dk due to the high mobility and burst potential.

Rex-Umbra

Wings stop all ranged players some close range magicka players abilities considered ranged even if an inch away.

ChunkyCat

Barbaran

"WHY 70% of players RUN DK in PvP"

There is a typo in your title. It's spelt "mag sorc"

Vapirko

Wait stam dks OP now? It wasn’t but a few months ago they were completely dead.

CaliMade wrote: »

This thread is a joke. These baseless ass percentages are also a joke. Who tf cares witch class has the highest player count.

the class that gives you the most issues is the class you will notice the most, i get pooped on by stam nb. sometimes it feels like 90% of cyro is stam nb, haven’t died to a stam dk since implosion was a thing, i think i ran into one stam dk today and it was just a snipe spammer who melted faster than a pudding pop in hell. But i have zero trouble with stam dk and i only really notice them when they use DB.

I die ablittle inside every time a dk drops Leap for db. i digress

IMO if you think stam dk is op you must be damn squishy. stam dks have the lowest daamge in cyro. idk how tf you can have 6k plus weapon damage and just end up being the cc spammer that fossilizes at the perfect time and gets me tagged by Spectral bows.

Psst...stam dks never had implosion.

Ragnarock41

Yes OP, lets nerf take flight, that will solve all of your problems OP.

ilcavallo

Barbaran wrote: »

"WHY 70% of players RUN DK in PvP"

There is a typo in your title. It's spelt "mag sorc"

Truth

Iskiab

Bergzorn wrote: »

Numbers from today's leaderbord of Sotha Sil PC/EU (dc/ep/ad/sum):

nb: 20/15/32/67
sorc: 22/31/24/77
dk: 14/14/15/43
templar: 22/28/18/68
warden: 22/12/11/45

Nice. I still think you’ll see wildly different results if you look at battlegrounds. NBs lend themselves to solo play and I doubt the NB or Templar numbers would be as high.

Cyrodiil will see more sorcs and NBs because they’re better at solo play because of better escape tools.

Prutton

Iskiab wrote: »

Nice. I still think you’ll see wildly different results if you look at battlegrounds. NBs lend themselves to solo play and I doubt the NB or Templar numbers would be as high.

Cyrodiil will see more sorcs and NBs because they’re better at solo play because of better escape tools.

Cyrodiil will see more magsorcs and stamNBs. Everytime people don't say it right, stamsorcs and magblades get nerfed because of their counterparts.

Bergzorn

Iskiab wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

Numbers from today's leaderbord of Sotha Sil PC/EU (dc/ep/ad/sum):

nb: 20/15/32/67
sorc: 22/31/24/77
dk: 14/14/15/43
templar: 22/28/18/68
warden: 22/12/11/45

Nice. I still think you’ll see wildly different results if you look at battlegrounds. NBs lend themselves to solo play and I doubt the NB or Templar numbers would be as high. Cyrodiil will see more sorcs and NBs because they’re better at solo play because of better escape tools.

I'm not going to interprete the numbers. There are way to many things influencing this distribution, and one could find an argument for nearly every cause one wants to make. But something is quite interesting here. Let me dig up ye olde thread from a year ago, where I also posted numbers from the same campaign:

So we are ok with the fact that 70% of the pvp population is nightblades?

One year later, the number of Sorcs, DKs, and Templars is nearly unchanged. Wardens are a bit more present at the cost of NBs.

Mind that Magblade was very strong a year ago. Magsorc was arguably close to the bottom of the PvP food chain before the Summerset Rune Cage debacle, but Stamsorc was quite popular.

Tonnopesce

Hmmmmm im pretty shure that 70% runs stamplars.
oh wait...

marius_buys

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Wings stop all ranged players some close range magicka players abilities considered ranged even if an inch away.

Until 20th of May...

White wabbit

idk wrote: »

What I find interesting is not long ago someone claimed about 70% of players run NBs in PvP because they were OP..

Their numbers were just as baseless as the ones presented here and I expect everyone sees through the fake drama. 70% yea.

Lol someone that clearly doesn't pvp then

Waffennacht

Daus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Seriously, in Xbox console BGs

Sorcs NBs and DKs are the most popular

Some matches can have 4 of each.

Wardens perform just as well, but they definitely have a lower populace than the others.

I've been keeping track of every BG I watch ever since these most popular polls have been created

Weird. Wardens are at least 50% of the population for BGs on PS4.

In Cyrodiil definitely DKs and Templars are the majority. Nightblades are probably the lowest population in open world Cyrodiil here.

Different platform, different exposure I suppose.

@Daus also keep in mind MMR for BGs. It's very possible that populace varies at each possible level. Maybe a lot of the Wardens are theoretically in a higher MMR than mine etc

Strider__Roshin

Waffennacht wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Seriously, in Xbox console BGs

Sorcs NBs and DKs are the most popular

Some matches can have 4 of each.

Wardens perform just as well, but they definitely have a lower populace than the others.

I've been keeping track of every BG I watch ever since these most popular polls have been created

Weird. Wardens are at least 50% of the population for BGs on PS4.

In Cyrodiil definitely DKs and Templars are the majority. Nightblades are probably the lowest population in open world Cyrodiil here.

Different platform, different exposure I suppose.

@Daus also keep in mind MMR for BGs. It's very possible that populace varies at each possible level. Maybe a lot of the Wardens are theoretically in a higher MMR than mine etc

That's true. Honestly I don't get much variety in BGs anymore. It's like the same people every game. Kinda sucks honestly

CaliMade

Vapirko wrote: »

Wait stam dks OP now? It wasn’t but a few months ago they were completely dead.

CaliMade wrote: »

This thread is a joke. These baseless ass percentages are also a joke. Who tf cares witch class has the highest player count.

the class that gives you the most issues is the class you will notice the most, i get pooped on by stam nb. sometimes it feels like 90% of cyro is stam nb, haven’t died to a stam dk since implosion was a thing, i think i ran into one stam dk today and it was just a snipe spammer who melted faster than a pudding pop in hell. But i have zero trouble with stam dk and i only really notice them when they use DB.

I die ablittle inside every time a dk drops Leap for db. i digress

IMO if you think stam dk is op you must be damn squishy. stam dks have the lowest daamge in cyro. idk how tf you can have 6k plus weapon damage and just end up being the cc spammer that fossilizes at the perfect time and gets me tagged by Spectral bows.

Psst...stam dks never had implosion.

lmao Apologies for my wording, i was basically saying i haven’t been killed by a stam dk since last patch. witch means around 2-3 months

Strider__Roshin

CaliMade wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Wait stam dks OP now? It wasn’t but a few months ago they were completely dead.

CaliMade wrote: »

This thread is a joke. These baseless ass percentages are also a joke. Who tf cares witch class has the highest player count.

the class that gives you the most issues is the class you will notice the most, i get pooped on by stam nb. sometimes it feels like 90% of cyro is stam nb, haven’t died to a stam dk since implosion was a thing, i think i ran into one stam dk today and it was just a snipe spammer who melted faster than a pudding pop in hell. But i have zero trouble with stam dk and i only really notice them when they use DB.

I die ablittle inside every time a dk drops Leap for db. i digress

IMO if you think stam dk is op you must be damn squishy. stam dks have the lowest daamge in cyro. idk how tf you can have 6k plus weapon damage and just end up being the cc spammer that fossilizes at the perfect time and gets me tagged by Spectral bows.

Psst...stam dks never had implosion.

lmao Apologies for my wording, i was basically saying i haven’t been killed by a stam dk since last patch. witch means around 2-3 months

Yeah I haven't died to Nightblades since last year. Their incap actually heals me. Crazy eh?

CaliMade

Daus wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Wait stam dks OP now? It wasn’t but a few months ago they were completely dead.

CaliMade wrote: »

This thread is a joke. These baseless ass percentages are also a joke. Who tf cares witch class has the highest player count.

the class that gives you the most issues is the class you will notice the most, i get pooped on by stam nb. sometimes it feels like 90% of cyro is stam nb, haven’t died to a stam dk since implosion was a thing, i think i ran into one stam dk today and it was just a snipe spammer who melted faster than a pudding pop in hell. But i have zero trouble with stam dk and i only really notice them when they use DB.

I die ablittle inside every time a dk drops Leap for db. i digress

IMO if you think stam dk is op you must be damn squishy. stam dks have the lowest daamge in cyro. idk how tf you can have 6k plus weapon damage and just end up being the cc spammer that fossilizes at the perfect time and gets me tagged by Spectral bows.

Psst...stam dks never had implosion.

lmao Apologies for my wording, i was basically saying i haven’t been killed by a stam dk since last patch. witch means around 2-3 months

Yeah I haven't died to Nightblades since last year. Their incap actually heals me. Crazy eh?

lol you actually think im joking.

Iskiab

CaliMade wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Wait stam dks OP now? It wasn’t but a few months ago they were completely dead.

CaliMade wrote: »

This thread is a joke. These baseless ass percentages are also a joke. Who tf cares witch class has the highest player count.

the class that gives you the most issues is the class you will notice the most, i get pooped on by stam nb. sometimes it feels like 90% of cyro is stam nb, haven’t died to a stam dk since implosion was a thing, i think i ran into one stam dk today and it was just a snipe spammer who melted faster than a pudding pop in hell. But i have zero trouble with stam dk and i only really notice them when they use DB.

I die ablittle inside every time a dk drops Leap for db. i digress

IMO if you think stam dk is op you must be damn squishy. stam dks have the lowest daamge in cyro. idk how tf you can have 6k plus weapon damage and just end up being the cc spammer that fossilizes at the perfect time and gets me tagged by Spectral bows.

Psst...stam dks never had implosion.

lmao Apologies for my wording, i was basically saying i haven’t been killed by a stam dk since last patch. witch means around 2-3 months

Yeah I haven't died to Nightblades since last year. Their incap actually heals me. Crazy eh?

lol you actually think im joking.

Solo NB? Same, but I was actually taken down by a magblade about a month and a half ago when I was testing out a new spec. Changed a couple things and not since. I’d say a solo NB about 3-4 months except for that one time.

In a group pvp context way more often then that. In cyrodiil I fear other faction members dying and procing vicious death more then I do any bombs or NBs... if they solo gank. Gankers working in pairs can be problematic.

Basicly NBs are OP if you’re a noob, if you L2P and spec properly they’re pretty ineffective. It all comes down to surviving the initial burst while you’re stunned, if you do then that’s all a ganker has and they’re either an easy kill or they run away.

idk

White wabbit wrote: »

idk wrote: »

What I find interesting is not long ago someone claimed about 70% of players run NBs in PvP because they were OP..

Their numbers were just as baseless as the ones presented here and I expect everyone sees through the fake drama. 70% yea.

Lol someone that clearly doesn't pvp then

LMAO. This is the funniest comment in this thread full of people giving vastly perspectives of which class is found most in PvP. So the person who points this fallacy out is clearly the one who does not know what they are talking about. LOL.

The real answer is . . .

sly007 wrote: »

Yup, 70% sounds so accurate. I'm sure the other 70% sorcerers, and 70% nightblades, and 70% warden's, and 70% templars concur.

Has to be the case because we can basically find someone who will say each is a fact and if you disagree then you clearly do not PvP. lol

Kalitas

After the wings nerf DK numbers will go down. I know I'll be playing mine less open world. I'll swap to Warden more. Wings was such a huge part of playing DK, it's basically a spammable Spell Wall. I'm not saying it's not overpowered in it's current incarnation. I'm just saying that skill is so good and is the reason I believe many people play Stam DK in Cyro. With the new wings, even if damage is mitigated by 50%, you still get CC'd, you still get all harmful effects from abilities. That was the beauty of wings. It allowed you to close the gap or kite well without being clocked by Flame Reach/jav/Snipe spam. Now that that is gone, I'm willing to bet quite a bit that the number of DKs will drastically decrease. There just isn't a lot of reason to play them over Warden.