sprint jump exploit?

Theignson · May 2019

I was fighting some NB in the mine tower at Chalman and he ran away by shooting off the tower (toward Bleaks) like a cannonball. Landed well beyond the picket fence and on the hill on the other side of the road. I tried that jump and couldn't clear the fence.

Fought the same NB a few minutes later and he ran away to between chalman mine and Chalman gate. Tried to chase him and he shotstraight forward 30 meters in a flat jump, three times, was suddenly 90 meters away. Was impossibly far ahead. Was not a shade (we had been fighting in/near the tower, not where he jumped); not undo (we were fighting the whole time at the tower, so undo would not propel him towards Bleaks).

I've heard about a "sprint jump " exploit and found a couple videos. How do they do this? Some people say it is hitting certain buttons while sprinting and jumping. Others say it only owrks on a flat surface, but that terrain near chal mine tower isn't that flat.

Also some people argue that while this is an exploit it isn't cheating because it is just using the game mechanics.

Anyway its impossible to catch someone who does this.

Ertosi · May 2019

You sure they simply weren't a sorc using Bolt Escape?

Sounds like a sorc using Bolt Escape.

maxjapank · May 2019

It is an exploit. Whether it’s button smashing or using a macro, it is not intended for players to jump so far. Report and move on.

Kikke · May 2019

Bunnyjumping it's called. And yes, it is an exploit and you can report the player for doing so.

This was something only a few people knew about until a certain trial team used it to push for high scores.
Then it where everywhere for a while. Then Zeni said that was an exploit and started suspending people that did it openly.

No fix as of yet, been publicly known for over a year.

Osteos · May 2019

maxjapank wrote: »

It is an exploit. Whether it’s button smashing or using a macro, it is not intended for players to jump so far. Report and move on.

Exactly this. Report it and if you have a video submit that too.

And mark it as a win for you. He ran you won.

Master_Kas · May 2019

Ertosi wrote: »

You sure they simply weren't a sorc using Bolt Escape?

Sounds like a sorc using Bolt Escape.

It's not bolt escape. There is a certain lowbie character on PC EU that can do multiple "super jumps" across terrain that's not even flat.

Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended

Theignson · May 2019

Ertosi wrote: »

You sure they simply weren't a sorc using Bolt Escape?

Sounds like a sorc using Bolt Escape.

No, the guy is a well known NB on PC NA. He cloaks constantly, and on the battle recaps in combat metrics he uses all NB skills. Absolutely not a streaking sorc!
But the action (a flat shoot about 30 meters) does look a lot like streak

Ertosi · May 2019

Found a video showing it in action. The video also shows the game has built in sanity checks and will automatically lockout players abusing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiyzO1X3HQ

So as others have stated, it is considered an exploit and you should report them for it next time you encounter it.

Theignson · May 2019

Yeah I saw that video and one other that a guy posted who duplicated it and asked ZOS if it was an exploit-- they never answered of course!

I don't know why this guy even bothered doing it. He is a good, high level NB and if he just cloaks out I can almost never find him anyways.

Blinkin8r · May 2019

I'm assuming this is something other than randomly hopping around on some weird terrain and getting launched unusually far. I hop around on my mount and I'll occasionally get launched, sometimes to my death. Only ever happened once off mount though. As far as I've seen it usually has something to do with the terrain.

SirAndy · May 2019

Plenty of videos on YouTube showing it in action. If you like spending some quality time on Google you can even find out how it's done.

ZOS implemented some rudimentary sanity checks on how far/fast your character can move before you get flagged, but apparently those long jumps are just around the threshold so doing it two or three times in a row every once in a while won't get you on their radar.

Theignson · May 2019

Blinkin8r wrote: »

I'm assuming this is something other than randomly hopping around on some weird terrain and getting launched unusually far. I hop around on my mount and I'll occasionally get launched, sometimes to my death. Only ever happened once off mount though. As far as I've seen it usually has something to do with the terrain.

yeah check out the video someone posted. They shoot straight forward like a cannon shot.

There are weirdnesses related to jumping like you described but this was a very deliberate, straight cannon shots on a mostly flat terrain, 3 times. Probably as someone else posted, they have figured out how many times you can do it before the system catches it.

But 3 times is enough to escape as they go max speed and travel about 90 meters. No way to catch them

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

I’ve been thrown across areas but I wasn’t exploiting and sometimes it even leads to death because of fall damage. It only happens when my major expedition is up and I’m on certain terrain.

laksikus · May 2019

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Gilvoth · May 2019

maxjapank wrote: »

It is an exploit. Whether it’s button smashing or using a macro, it is not intended for players to jump so far. Report and move on.

this ^

Ackwalan · May 2019

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

Gilvoth · May 2019

i have been thrown accross the map, i did nothing to make it happen, so it might be something uncontrollable.

Apherius · May 2019

I have seen a NB doing this in bg too ... he took the relic and Bunnyjumped ( does this word even exist ?) to his base ...

I was like " What the hell, streak isn't allowed when I carry a relic/chaos ball, but this guy use something even better that doesn't take any skill slot and cost nothing ..."

Gilvoth · May 2019

Apherius wrote: »

I have seen a NB doing this in bg too ... he took the relic and Bunnyjumped ( does this word even exist ?) to his base ...

I was like " What the hell, streak isn't allowed when I carry a relic/chaos ball, but this guy use something even better that doesn't take any skill slot and cost nothing ..."

if they add a stamina cost to jumping it would fix that problem, people would jump alot less.

xxthir13enxx · May 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

Just fixing that typo for ya...lol

Ackwalan · May 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

Just fixing that typo for ya...lol

Tanks cpellang ian't mi stong pont.

JamieAubrey · May 2019

I've managed to do it a few times but unless you have the timing down to a T then without the use of a macro ITS 99% impossible to get down correctly

Something like casting Rapids, Running pressing sprint and jumping sideways all at the same time

laksikus · May 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

xxthir13enxx · May 2019

laksikus wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

Ackwalan · May 2019

laksikus wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

Everybody knows, and no one buying it.

Zephyris_Kalnoris · May 2019

Don’t waste time with reporting. On EU server many players bunnyjump, many report them, they still jump.

U will be booted from server for a few minutes if u bunnyjump to offen.
3-4 times to escape or to catch someone will not kick u from game and for sure u will not get ban for that.

laksikus · May 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

SirAndy · May 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SUoTB2lCcA

Universe · May 2019

Sometimes the lag can cause mounts to disappear from the screen for some moments and it can look that a player is running on foot while he is actually riding.
Though if what you witnessed is an exploit, I hope that ZOS will fix it and the players who exploited it will get banned.

shaielzafine · May 2019

This is an old bug / exploit. I've reported this to ZOS and I know people that used to do this regularly. You can land wayy farther than you're supposed to and can 1vX pretty easily if you're something like a stamwarden or stamsorc jumping around with expedition. It's really hard to catch you.

Vandril · May 2019

laksikus wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it

its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

Just remember, you asked for this.

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit

verb, definition 2

to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairly

in an unfair manner

Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

definition 1

marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust

Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust

definition 1

characterized by injustice : unfair

Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice

definition 2

an unjust act : wrong

Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong

Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.

something wrong, immoral, or unethical

not according to the moral standard

not right or proper according to a code, standard, or convention

not in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations

The bolded ones are particularly relevant.

Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.

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So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

intransitive verb, definition 1b

to violate rules dishonestly

Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.

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So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!

Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.