Master_Kas wrote: »You sure they simply weren't a sorc
Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended
IMaster_Kas wrote: »You sure they simply weren't a sorc using Bolt Escape?
Sounds like a sorc using Bolt Escape.
It's not bolt escape. There is a certain lowbie character on PC EU that can do multiple "super jumps" across terrain that's not even flat.
Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended
You still running sewers with noobs?
https://youtu.be/RYGc0gbsFikxxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
Just remember, you asked for this.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit
verb, definition 2to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage
So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairlyin an unfair manner
Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair
definition 1marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust
Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust
definition 1characterized by injustice : unfair
Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice
definition 2an unjust act : wrong
Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong
Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.something wrong, immoral, or unethicalnot according to the moral standardnot right or proper according to a code, standard, or conventionnot in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations
The bolded ones are particularly relevant.
Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.
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So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
intransitive verb, definition 1bto violate rules dishonestly
Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.
_______________
So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!
Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.
its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it
its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
xxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
Just remember, you asked for this.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit
verb, definition 2to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage
So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairlyin an unfair manner
Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair
definition 1marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust
Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust
definition 1characterized by injustice : unfair
Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice
definition 2an unjust act : wrong
Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong
Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.something wrong, immoral, or unethicalnot according to the moral standardnot right or proper according to a code, standard, or conventionnot in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations
The bolded ones are particularly relevant.
Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.
_______________
So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
intransitive verb, definition 1bto violate rules dishonestly
Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.
_______________
So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!
Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.
blablabla
nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.
definition 1
to make productive use of something.
its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it
its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploitxxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
Just remember, you asked for this.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit
verb, definition 2to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage
So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairlyin an unfair manner
Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair
definition 1marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust
Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust
definition 1characterized by injustice : unfair
Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice
definition 2an unjust act : wrong
Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong
Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.something wrong, immoral, or unethicalnot according to the moral standardnot right or proper according to a code, standard, or conventionnot in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations
The bolded ones are particularly relevant.
Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.
_______________
So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
intransitive verb, definition 1bto violate rules dishonestly
Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.
_______________
So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!
Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.
blablabla
nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.
definition 1
to make productive use of something.
Beware of those downplaying or justifying this type of thing.
Those people are typically the ones using the exploit/cheat.
its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it
its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploitxxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
Just remember, you asked for this.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit
verb, definition 2to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage
So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairlyin an unfair manner
Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair
definition 1marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust
Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust
definition 1characterized by injustice : unfair
Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice
definition 2an unjust act : wrong
Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong
Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.something wrong, immoral, or unethicalnot according to the moral standardnot right or proper according to a code, standard, or conventionnot in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations
The bolded ones are particularly relevant.
Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.
_______________
So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
intransitive verb, definition 1bto violate rules dishonestly
Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.
_______________
So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!
Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.
blablabla
nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.
definition 1
to make productive use of something.
Beware of those downplaying or justifying this type of thing.
Those people are typically the ones using the exploit/cheat.
beware those that have more experience and knowledge of the game, and call everything you dont know how to do cheat
and i havent even used bunny hops in months xD
its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
so i dont know what should be bannable using it
its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploitxxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
Just remember, you asked for this.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit
verb, definition 2to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage
So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairlyin an unfair manner
Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair
definition 1marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust
Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust
definition 1characterized by injustice : unfair
Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice
definition 2an unjust act : wrong
Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong
Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.something wrong, immoral, or unethicalnot according to the moral standardnot right or proper according to a code, standard, or conventionnot in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations
The bolded ones are particularly relevant.
Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.
_______________
So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
intransitive verb, definition 1bto violate rules dishonestly
Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.
_______________
So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!
Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.
blablabla
nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.
definition 1
to make productive use of something.
Beware of those downplaying or justifying this type of thing.
Those people are typically the ones using the exploit/cheat.
beware those that have more experience and knowledge of the game, and call everything you dont know how to do cheat
and i havent even used bunny hops in months xD
Yeah, because the video I posted sure seems like legit game mechanics....🙄
xxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
xxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
Just remember, you asked for this.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit
verb, definition 2to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage
So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairlyin an unfair manner
Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair
definition 1marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust
Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust
definition 1characterized by injustice : unfair
Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice
definition 2an unjust act : wrong
Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".
_______________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong
Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.something wrong, immoral, or unethicalnot according to the moral standardnot right or proper according to a code, standard, or conventionnot in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations
The bolded ones are particularly relevant.
Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.
_______________
So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
intransitive verb, definition 1bto violate rules dishonestly
Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.
_______________
So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!
Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.
blablabla
nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.
definition 1
to make productive use of something.
A video of someone bunnyhopping the ball into thier safe zone in a BG match....https://youtu.be/RYGc0gbsFik
Sure seems like cheating to me....
xxthir13enxx wrote: »
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Okay...
I get that 1+1=3
If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...
so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is
Googling "Define Exploit" we get "make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)."
Googling "Cheat Synonyms" we get a link to Thesaurus.com where the following are listed together - Beguile: Betray, Cheat, Con, Deceive, Double-cross, Dupe, Exploit, Hoodwink, Manipulate, Scam, Trick.
Any who don't think Exploits are Cheating are deceiving (i.e. duping, tricking, conning) themselves in order to manipulate (i.e. scam, trick, hoodwink, cheat, exploit) the system.
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Master_Kas wrote: »You sure they simply weren't a sorc
Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended
IMaster_Kas wrote: »You sure they simply weren't a sorc using Bolt Escape?
Sounds like a sorc using Bolt Escape.
It's not bolt escape. There is a certain lowbie character on PC EU that can do multiple "super jumps" across terrain that's not even flat.
Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended
You still running sewers with noobs?
I run in the districts not sewers and by myself unless I stumble upon other people.
Made 5 mil telvar past few weeks.
I do not see how this is relevant to the thread tough? Sad I call out your exploiting buddy or something ?
Waffennacht wrote: »A video of someone bunnyhopping the ball into thier safe zone in a BG match....https://youtu.be/RYGc0gbsFik
Sure seems like cheating to me....
I tried, and I do not think he has any sight of the bunnyhop occuring.
This also maybe an older video.
It's no good for sure though (cheating)
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Yes it is.
The overpowered sets are working as intended, even if they are op, bunnyjumping is not an intended game mechanic.
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Yes it is.
The overpowered sets are working as intended, even if they are op, bunnyjumping is not an intended game mechanic.
all the nerfs to proc set seems to mean to me they didnt work as intended in the past
no it isnt.
using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
Yes it is.
The overpowered sets are working as intended, even if they are op, bunnyjumping is not an intended game mechanic.
all the nerfs to proc set seems to mean to me they didnt work as intended in the past
Well, it might mean that to you, but you would be incorrect. That zos decide to change numbers/functions in a proc set doesn't mean it wasn't working as intended, it merely means they decided to change something.