GaianSpirit wrote: »Elwendryll wrote: »I bought all the weapon packs. All of them. I don't have a single monster set mask or epaulet. I'm just not invested enough in the game to farm items, I didn't even farm for the outfit styles during the anniversary event. I just log in to do trials during the weekend and for the the event tickets and daily rewards (I missed a loooot of days this month). And, well, it's nice that these weapon styles and monster sets are becoming available in-game without RNG. Because yes, now we can buy the masks and epaulets with crowns too.
Just to say, I would have bought these weapon styles anyway for convenience, even knowing it would become available later.
Same goes for many of the motifs on sale in the crown store. They can (save for holiday motifs) be 'got' in game, either through grind or exchange for in game currency. They're on sale as convenience.
The monster set styles are slightly different because the helm & shoulder drops were time sensitive and most required heavy grind to get -- or high expense in guild store, without crown store availability -- instead just the weapons were offered in store. Now the whole package is 'gettable' in game through currency (tickets) and grind temporarily
Generally people complain about the price of exclusivity -- now about the lack of it...
Difference here is that the motifs we already know we can get in game, they never said the weapon packs would be avaible with tickets, once again its about the lack of information.
witchdoctor wrote: »Kalik_Gold wrote: »... Hardly anything that is not in Crown Crate gambling boxes are really limited or exclusive.
Hasn't that been an ongoing request of these forums?
Less crown stuff; more in-game stuff?
Its almost like they listened ...
GaianSpirit wrote: »GaianSpirit wrote: »I would never want OP as a customer.
OP's rule is I can never introduce a new idea for my company without fear of OP feeling scammed and ranting in public.
I'd fire OP, return OP's money in pennies, throw OP out of my store, and file a trespass warning against OP with the local police.
Nobody wants or needs a customer with OP's attitude. There are nearly 8 billion other potential customers on the planet.
If you made a new product that I bought that was great I'd buy it, but if you then made it so that everyone with enough time could get that same product if lets say they collected enough pinecones then I would want my money back yes, because I dont mind collecting pinecones my man
I can cook you a steak and charge you for it, or you can hunt down a dear, butcher it, and cook your own steak for free. All you need is time.
Your counter statement failed.
So with that analogy you are saying I should code my own weapons and use them in game? :S
Emmagoldman wrote: »I haven't bought any of these weapons packs but when I read the patch notes yesterday, I REALLY felt sorry for those who did. That's really not fair unless those who bought them get a refund. And if not, I hope all will hear about it and will just stop buying weapon packs from crownstore, as we can get for free in game.
If you choose to purchase the weapon packs in store, you can spend your event tickets on something else. if you choose to spend event tickets on them, well, you'll need to collect tickets per day, or purchase more event tickets from the store, if you want anything else offered by the impresario.
See how that works?
Like a mount......Thats the only option. for those who have 30 reskinned mounts and were under the impression that it was exclusive, they dont gain value from the tickets.
Its dishonest
dishonest
/dɪsˈɒnɪst/
adjective"he was a dishonest hypocrite prepared to exploit his family"
- behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, or insincere way.
"he gave the editor a dishonest account of events"
- intended to mislead or cheat.
synonyms: fraudulent, corrupt, swindling, cheating, double-dealing;
Please elaborate on where this applies.
What you're experiencing is hyperbolic discounting and relative deprivation. It's a play on perceived, artificial 'need' that we choose to fulfil or not. Get your reward now or later -- now will always initially feel more valuable than later, even if holding equal or less actual worth. Others seeing that reward want the same or similar. Provision of later ensures a new cycle.
rotaugen454 wrote: »The only two items that I don’t want to see in Crown Store or for tickets are the Beta Monkey and the Loyalty Senche. Even so, I wouldn’t get bent out of shape if they did. It wouldn’t prevent me from enjoying the game.
Clearly most people saying this is ok or great or defending zos didnt buy the pack with crowns and are just happy they can get it with tickets... usually these are the same people that brag about playing free without spending any money at all. Same people that don't understand how a company needs $ to survive.
W/e. Seems unfair though. Zos just being short sighted here. Shocking.
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Clearly most people saying this is ok or great or defending zos didnt buy the pack with crowns and are just happy they can get it with tickets...
I think if you wanted the item at the time, months and months before it became or could become available by other means is irrelevant. You got it when you wanted it when it was available.
They've never marketed with the words 'this is exclusively how you get these'. We all just took it as the medium it was available in without question and either bought or didn't.
But I wouldn't consider this a scam. I think your definition's wrong. Sorry, don't agree with you.
Girl_Number8 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »The only two items that I don’t want to see in Crown Store or for tickets are the Beta Monkey and the Loyalty Senche. Even so, I wouldn’t get bent out of shape if they did. It wouldn’t prevent me from enjoying the game.
Give it time, lol. I have had so many people ask me where I got my little imagkin monkey that I said, don't worry, you will have a chance to buy it or get it in a crate soon enough and Idc either.
KhajiitFelix wrote: »You people are insane.
Imagine you paid 6000$ for a very big in-game manor and then people who logged-in 3 days got it for free.
Would you be happy?
Scammed has 2 m's
Emmagoldman wrote: »Emmagoldman wrote: »I haven't bought any of these weapons packs but when I read the patch notes yesterday, I REALLY felt sorry for those who did. That's really not fair unless those who bought them get a refund. And if not, I hope all will hear about it and will just stop buying weapon packs from crownstore, as we can get for free in game.
If you choose to purchase the weapon packs in store, you can spend your event tickets on something else. if you choose to spend event tickets on them, well, you'll need to collect tickets per day, or purchase more event tickets from the store, if you want anything else offered by the impresario.
See how that works?
Like a mount......Thats the only option. for those who have 30 reskinned mounts and were under the impression that it was exclusive, they dont gain value from the tickets.
Its dishonest
dishonest
/dɪsˈɒnɪst/
adjective"he was a dishonest hypocrite prepared to exploit his family"
- behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, or insincere way.
"he gave the editor a dishonest account of events"
- intended to mislead or cheat.
synonyms: fraudulent, corrupt, swindling, cheating, double-dealing;
Please elaborate on where this applies.
What you're experiencing is hyperbolic discounting and relative deprivation. It's a play on perceived, artificial 'need' that we choose to fulfil or not. Get your reward now or later -- now will always initially feel more valuable than later, even if holding equal or less actual worth. Others seeing that reward want the same or similar. Provision of later ensures a new cycle.
Thank you for the dictionary defintion. Whew, I guess I can toss out my masters now that I know what dishonest means. All this time, I thought it was a verb or adverb.
Its decietful to generator sales under the pretext of exclusiveness and urgency through a false time limit. They lured customers to believe the items were exclusive and unique. Would people have purchased as many of these sets if they knew it can be earned? Probably not. I would argue ZOS also new timeframe wasnt relevant and it wasnt unique, unlike unique motifs only availbe in store.
I understand mmos finding new way for people to keep grinding out previous content as end game content cant keep pace. Also I actually like the idea of people acquiring these goods ( though it will be grindy for sure). Yet I empathize with people upset thinking it was limited time or only availbale in store
Hey, limited time Jordans, only sold for three days. 1k each. One month later on the shelves at payless
GaianSpirit wrote: »
Difference here is that the motifs we already know we can get in game, they never said the weapon packs would be available with tickets, once again its about the lack of information.GaianSpirit wrote: »The problem is that ZOS didnt let us as customers know that these packs, that we bought with real money would be possible to buy in game with tickets.
Sigh...
So reduced, your argument is:
"It can only be permitted if known ahead of time; it will only be known ahead of time if permitted."GaianSpirit wrote: »I still want my money back, because I can get those weapons no problem through grind
This is a different argument to what you present.
No longer scam -- just that you now are aware of a cost free means to the same result. Months later, and you feel this is grounds for refund.