OK, can we ban combat pets from BGs please ?

DocDova

There are players who are purposefully keeping two pets as well as daedroth (maw of infernal) to create artificial lag for people who don't have access to very good speed internet. I see two daedroth, 2 flying pets , 2 familiar in like 5 meters around me and it's creates 'Extra lag'. Pets actions add to lags (unlike other classes) and they use them as shield from attack (that's OK with me), It's an actual issue now, I see entire teams of sorcerers running 2-3 pets (with Maw of infernal) each, and I am lagging like hell. I don't play NBs But I don't mind them, You can gank me to your heart's content, But I seriously having issues with anything which causes lag.

Two games back, I got 1.7 million damage (4-5 games continuously I get between 800k- 1.7 million damage) and then comes team which create lag. What's the solution to this ? Sorcerer's pets are causing lag and they know it and exploiting it. I am an honest stamina DK with moderate speed internet connection (20-25 mbps usually) and these all sorcerer 2-3 pets teams are causing me lot of lag. What to do ? How to stop people from exploiting it ?

ZirconJunkie

Well, the servers are being upgraded next week to supposedly fix performance. Although, I've been playing this game for half a decade and while some patches are better than others, the lag is always there in some form or another. I wouldn't hold my breath.

phaneub17_ESO

This is nothing, different game, on WoW watched a player Multibox 20 Hunters and Stampede ability summons 4 extra pets. So you would be fighting 20 Hunters + 20 Pets, then suddenly it jumps to 100 Pets on screen instantly, you see people die instantly from the bombardment of animals while others would lag out from the explosion of pets on screen.

AlienatedGoat

DocDova wrote: »

There are players who are purposefully keeping two pets as well as daedroth (maw of infernal) to create artificial lag for people who don't have access to very good speed internet. I see two daedroth, 2 flying pets , 2 familiar in like 5 meters around me and it's creates 'Extra lag'. Pets actions add to lags (unlike other classes) and they use them as shield from attack (that's OK with me), It's an actual issue now, I see entire teams of sorcerers running 2-3 pets (with Maw of infernal) each, and I am lagging like hell. I don't play NBs But I don't mind them, You can gank me to your heart's content, But I seriously having issues with anything which causes lag.

Two games back, I got 1.7 million damage (4-5 games continuously I get between 800k- 1.7 million damage) and then comes team which create lag. What's the solution to this ? Sorcerer's pets are causing lag and they know it and exploiting it. I am an honest stamina DK with moderate speed internet connection (20-25 mbps usually) and these all sorcerer 2-3 pets teams are causing me lot of lag. What to do ? How to stop people from exploiting it ?

Net speed has very little to do with lag. You're looking for low ping and latency, which is more about the quality of the connection.

Never heard of pets adding server latency. However, I have heard of pets causing FPS dips for low-to-mid tier machines.

Zavijah

Honestly, if you are more disadvantaged by how much your potato machine can process. You have bigger issues than a 'fairer' playing ground.

mocap

I wonder what it looks like to fight againts 4 pet sorcs, all with 3 pets + Atro, so you kinda fight against 16-20 enemies xd

DocDova

I am facing this problem and it's causing me lag, I am using normal ps4, my speed is about 20-25 Mbps, ping usually about 30-40 ms.

I am in middle of 8 players, I won't feel much lag, but these pet based teams create lag for me. It takes different types of players to create a team but if they are all using 2 pets +daedroth, then it's on purpose.

Haojin

have no issue with latency under heavy pet pressure.

Siohwenoeht

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

This is nothing, different game, on WoW watched a player Multibox 20 Hunters and Stampede ability summons 4 extra pets. So you would be fighting 20 Hunters + 20 Pets, then suddenly it jumps to 100 Pets on screen instantly, you see people die instantly from the bombardment of animals while others would lag out from the explosion of pets on screen.

Don't forget about the Skelly army for deathknights, bones running everywhere! Lol

Glad necros will be limited!

DocDova

I am not asking sorcerer to be nerfed, I don't want any kind of change in their skill line up. I am just stating the problem I am facing, I don't know how prevalent this problem is either. But if we talk about it, we will know prevalence of this problem.

I don't mind getting killed in battlegrounds, I have faced way better teams when I started doing BG's, where they would be farming us at our base, they kill me and I would always jump down to be killed again. I don't mind invisible NBs ganking me, I don't mind teams running sload's, But when I sign up for 12 player battleground and I am getting 24 enemies, It cause lag for me. (didn't seem like framerate drop, as that would be more like slow motion ?)

Why I don't face lag when I am in a BG where there aren't entire teams made up of sorcerer ?

Bashev

Just wait for the Necro with 3 targertable pets that shouldnt be double bar slotted. It is clear that ZoS doesnt care for BGs.

DocDova

Zavijah wrote: »

Honestly, if you are more disadvantaged by how much your potato machine can process. You have bigger issues than a 'fairer' playing ground.

Then I would blame sony and microsoft for releasing mid generation upgrades, If it's because I am using plain PS4 than it's sony's fault.

Tigerseye

No.

Pets are a legitimate part of the combat mechanics and a major part of class flavour, in most games of this kind.

You can't just assume they are running with pets to cause lag.

Personally, I just have to avoid PvP in all games, now, as my internet connection is too unreliable and the customer support too utterly abysmal to deal with any issues.

When they renationalise BT (which shouldn't be too long, now), I may be able to return...

jainiadral

LOL, this is a first-- ban legit, dev-designed skills from PvP I don't think I've ever seen that request in any game.

DocDova

Tigerseye wrote: »

No.

Pets are a legitimate part of the combat mechanics and a major part of class flavour, in most games of this kind.

You can't just assume they are running with pets to cause lag.

Personally, I just have to avoid PvP in all games, now, as my internet connection is too unreliable and the customer support too utterly abysmal to deal with any issues.

When they renationalise BT (which shouldn't be too long, now), I may be able to return...

is lag caused by pets to other players also legitimate part of combat mechanics ? I don't assume, I know.

@jainiadral Read properly before you post, I already mentioned It's not a nerf or change in skill kind of thing. It's about people causing lag intentionally by having all pets active at same time. If it was cyrodiil, I would have understood, that's a warzone, You cant accept fair fight. It's BG, it's gladiatorial games.

Why don't devs check the logs, compare the data and tell us whether extra pets in BG's causes latency in caparison to BGs where no pets are there ? They can also check the logs whether there is been in an increase in tendency to have all pet actives + Maw of infernal among sorcerer teams.

If what I am saying is true, than they need to do something about it.

and as long as Sony and ZOS don't say I can't play ESO on my basic ps4, Nobody should mention that here.

Jeremy

DocDova wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

No.

Pets are a legitimate part of the combat mechanics and a major part of class flavour, in most games of this kind.

You can't just assume they are running with pets to cause lag.

Personally, I just have to avoid PvP in all games, now, as my internet connection is too unreliable and the customer support too utterly abysmal to deal with any issues.

When they renationalise BT (which shouldn't be too long, now), I may be able to return...

is lag caused by pets to other players also legitimate part of combat mechanics ? I don't assume, I know.

@jainiadral Read properly before you post, I already mentioned It's not a nerf or change in skill kind of thing. It's about people causing lag intentionally by having all pets active at same time. If it was cyrodiil, I would have understood, that's a warzone, You cant accept fair fight. It's BG, it's gladiatorial games.

Why don't devs check the logs, compare the data and tell us whether extra pets in BG's causes latency in caparison to BGs where no pets are there ? They can also check the logs whether there is been in an increase in tendency to have all pet actives + Maw of infernal among sorcerer teams.

If what I am saying is true, than they need to do something about it.

and as long as Sony and ZOS don't say I can't play ESO on my basic ps4, Nobody should mention that here.

The more characters on the screen the greater the lag. So pets likely do cause more lag on low-end machines. So I'm not disputing the premise of your argument. But your solution - to ban pets from battle grounds - is kinda absurd because it would disadvantage pet classes. That would be like saying you are going to ban people who use flashy abilities from battle grounds because they can cause lag.

I also doubt many of them do it to increase lag anyway. I think it's more likely they do it for the reason you seem ok with - which is to make them more difficult to target.

ccfeeling

Platform ?

Rig spec ?

And the main question , how's your ping

DocDova

Kids please walk away when you can. No need to post anything, if you have nothing to add in point we are discussing here.

@Jeremy well you know how much a life saver 'ferocious leap' can be for stan dk, it might take 2-5 seconds to unleash it when I am surrounded by pets. By the time I execute it, positions are changed and I hit a pet.

Gythral

look at your setup/internet and ask why is it
I have an issue
when most of the PS4 users dont

(satellite internet, high jitter, poor route, etc)

DocDova

Sorry I should have added that information in first post itself, seems its late now I cant edit.

System: Basic PS4
Internet type: Fiber optic
Internet speed: 20-25 Mbps on average
Ping 30-40 ms on average.

I think if non productive, disruptive, personally focused posts would be removed, more people would come forward who are facing same issue.

jainiadral

DocDova wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

No.

Pets are a legitimate part of the combat mechanics and a major part of class flavour, in most games of this kind.

You can't just assume they are running with pets to cause lag.

Personally, I just have to avoid PvP in all games, now, as my internet connection is too unreliable and the customer support too utterly abysmal to deal with any issues.

When they renationalise BT (which shouldn't be too long, now), I may be able to return...

is lag caused by pets to other players also legitimate part of combat mechanics ? I don't assume, I know.

@jainiadral Read properly before you post, I already mentioned It's not a nerf or change in skill kind of thing. It's about people causing lag intentionally by having all pets active at same time. If it was cyrodiil, I would have understood, that's a warzone, You cant accept fair fight. It's BG, it's gladiatorial games.

Why don't devs check the logs, compare the data and tell us whether extra pets in BG's causes latency in caparison to BGs where no pets are there ? They can also check the logs whether there is been in an increase in tendency to have all pet actives + Maw of infernal among sorcerer teams.

If what I am saying is true, than they need to do something about it.

and as long as Sony and ZOS don't say I can't play ESO on my basic ps4, Nobody should mention that here.

I did read, and I think your request is absurd. Pet classes use pets. They're designed that way. This game is designed to allow various classes to use skills as they choose, and pets are a feature of the warden and sorcerer classes. To ban players from using a certain set of skills because some other players might have lag is... silly, to put it mildly.

It's also the first time I've ever seen anyone requesting certain skills be banned from any variety of PvP in any game. Nerfs, seen those everywhere. But outright bans? That's totally a new one. Congratulations! TIL.

Hamish999

So if I want to do a BG on my petsorc (I don't have a sorc sorc btw) I have to unlock new skills and respec? Yeah, no ...

Tandor

DocDova wrote: »

Sorry I should have added that information in first post itself, seems its late now I cant edit.

System: Basic PS4
Internet type: Fiber optic
Internet speed: 20-25 Mbps on average
Ping 30-40 ms on average.

I think if non productive, disruptive, personally focused posts would be removed, more people would come forward who are facing same issue.

It seems more likely to me that the reason more people haven't come forward who are facing the same issue is that you're the only one experiencing it.

In any event, I don't understand the logic in wanting to achieve a more level playing field by disabling the main combat skills of a particular class.

Jeremy

DocDova wrote: »

Kids please walk away when you can. No need to post anything, if you have nothing to add in point we are discussing here.

@Jeremy well you know how much a life saver 'ferocious leap' can be for stan dk, it might take 2-5 seconds to unleash it when I am surrounded by pets. By the time I execute it, positions are changed and I hit a pet.

I hit pets while trying to target people a lot as well. It can be really annoying - especially when they have an entire zoo chasing them around. That's why I say that's probably the reason they try to get as many pets out as possible. It's too disrupt targeting. I doubt they do it in an effort to cause others lag.

DocDova

jainiadral wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

No.

Pets are a legitimate part of the combat mechanics and a major part of class flavour, in most games of this kind.

You can't just assume they are running with pets to cause lag.

Personally, I just have to avoid PvP in all games, now, as my internet connection is too unreliable and the customer support too utterly abysmal to deal with any issues.

When they renationalise BT (which shouldn't be too long, now), I may be able to return...

is lag caused by pets to other players also legitimate part of combat mechanics ? I don't assume, I know.

@jainiadral Read properly before you post, I already mentioned It's not a nerf or change in skill kind of thing. It's about people causing lag intentionally by having all pets active at same time. If it was cyrodiil, I would have understood, that's a warzone, You cant accept fair fight. It's BG, it's gladiatorial games.

Why don't devs check the logs, compare the data and tell us whether extra pets in BG's causes latency in caparison to BGs where no pets are there ? They can also check the logs whether there is been in an increase in tendency to have all pet actives + Maw of infernal among sorcerer teams.

If what I am saying is true, than they need to do something about it.

and as long as Sony and ZOS don't say I can't play ESO on my basic ps4, Nobody should mention that here.

I did read, and I think your request is absurd. Pet classes use pets. They're designed that way. This game is designed to allow various classes to use skills as they choose, and pets are a feature of the warden and sorcerer classes. To ban players from using a certain set of skills because some other players might have lag is... silly, to put it mildly.

It's also the first time I've ever seen anyone requesting certain skills be banned from any variety of PvP in any game. Nerfs, seen those everywhere. But outright bans? That's totally a new one. Congratulations! TIL.

You are free to think, but point is that what I said is true, more characters on screen causes more latency. I don't know what's best solution here, I said ban pets from BGs, let's hear your solution.

Existence of a problem is confirmed, if you think my solution is too absurd, say your piece.

AbysmalGhul

They're not so bad. I've faced a team of sorcerers with every pet sprawled out plus another member as a werewolf with it's cubs....Meteor nuke all the babies!

DocDova

Jeremy wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Kids please walk away when you can. No need to post anything, if you have nothing to add in point we are discussing here.

@Jeremy well you know how much a life saver 'ferocious leap' can be for stan dk, it might take 2-5 seconds to unleash it when I am surrounded by pets. By the time I execute it, positions are changed and I hit a pet.

I hit pets while trying to target people a lot as well. It can be really annoying - especially when they have an entire zoo chasing them around. That's why I say that's probably the reason they try to get as many pets out as possible. It's too disrupt targeting. I doubt they do it in an effort to cause others lag.

How can I do it when I am behind, lagging and by the time I target someone they are somewhere else. As long as my actions are happening on right time, I don't mind, but if there is 5 sec lag, then nothing will work.

I still say there are people who do it to cause lag.

Jeremy

DocDova wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Kids please walk away when you can. No need to post anything, if you have nothing to add in point we are discussing here.

@Jeremy well you know how much a life saver 'ferocious leap' can be for stan dk, it might take 2-5 seconds to unleash it when I am surrounded by pets. By the time I execute it, positions are changed and I hit a pet.

I hit pets while trying to target people a lot as well. It can be really annoying - especially when they have an entire zoo chasing them around. That's why I say that's probably the reason they try to get as many pets out as possible. It's too disrupt targeting. I doubt they do it in an effort to cause others lag.

How can I do it when I am behind, lagging and by the time I target someone they are somewhere else. As long as my actions are happening on right time, I don't mind, but if there is 5 sec lag, then nothing will work.

I still say there are people who do it to cause lag.

Well it's possible some of them do it to cause lag I guess. I can't read minds. I do believe it's more likely they do it to make themselves harder to target though.

Have you tried turning your graphics way down?

DocDova

Jeremy wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Kids please walk away when you can. No need to post anything, if you have nothing to add in point we are discussing here.

@Jeremy well you know how much a life saver 'ferocious leap' can be for stan dk, it might take 2-5 seconds to unleash it when I am surrounded by pets. By the time I execute it, positions are changed and I hit a pet.

I hit pets while trying to target people a lot as well. It can be really annoying - especially when they have an entire zoo chasing them around. That's why I say that's probably the reason they try to get as many pets out as possible. It's too disrupt targeting. I doubt they do it in an effort to cause others lag.

How can I do it when I am behind, lagging and by the time I target someone they are somewhere else. As long as my actions are happening on right time, I don't mind, but if there is 5 sec lag, then nothing will work.

I still say there are people who do it to cause lag.

Well it's possible some of them do it to cause lag I guess. I can't read minds. I do believe it's more likely they do it to make themselves harder to target though.

Have you tried turning your graphics way down?

Is it possible on ps4 ?

Jeremy

DocDova wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Kids please walk away when you can. No need to post anything, if you have nothing to add in point we are discussing here.

@Jeremy well you know how much a life saver 'ferocious leap' can be for stan dk, it might take 2-5 seconds to unleash it when I am surrounded by pets. By the time I execute it, positions are changed and I hit a pet.

I hit pets while trying to target people a lot as well. It can be really annoying - especially when they have an entire zoo chasing them around. That's why I say that's probably the reason they try to get as many pets out as possible. It's too disrupt targeting. I doubt they do it in an effort to cause others lag.

How can I do it when I am behind, lagging and by the time I target someone they are somewhere else. As long as my actions are happening on right time, I don't mind, but if there is 5 sec lag, then nothing will work.

I still say there are people who do it to cause lag.

Well it's possible some of them do it to cause lag I guess. I can't read minds. I do believe it's more likely they do it to make themselves harder to target though.

Have you tried turning your graphics way down?

Is it possible on ps4 ?

Oh you're on the ps4. I play on PC so I really wouldn't know.

Anyron

And what about players with one pet only? What about Wardens?

Ban them all?

State of sorcerer today is because of numerous nerfhammers that landed on it because of whiners.

Enjoy consequences