Akaviri...not snake folk :/

Lyserus

The only Akaviri I found in Elsweyr is the sword master WB. She was wearing full armor so you can't tell her looks, but she certainly does not have a snake lower body or snake tail

quite a bummer, also I didn't find any interactable Akaviri in Rimmen or other places （That being said, the palace of rimmen don't have any NPC, so when ZOS fill it up we might see some Akaviri）

Sylvermynx

*shrug* I never expected to have "snakefolk Akaviri". So I'm neither upset nor surprised. As far as the entire Akaviri premise, I'd prefer it wasn't even there. After all, "where the Akiviri army met its bloody end" is already in game and long past now. So we're supposed to buy into "peaceful" Akaviri in Rimmen?

I have a hard time with stuff like this.

BlackMadara

Akaviri aren't all snake folk. There were just a certain race from their land that were.

ArchMikem

In order for ZOS to exploit a loophole and not have to model actual Tsaesci is take the term "Akaviri" and make it a fighting style instead of the name of an actual person of Akaviri descent. Every "Akaviri" in Elsweyr could very well just be Humans practicing Akaviri sword fighting. Big cop out I know.

What's so hard about taking a Lamia, cutting it in half and putting the upper half of an Imperial onto the lower half of a Lamia?

Nemesis7884

Akaviri are mostly normal - asian - looking humans... but there are demi human races tigers, monkeys, snakes and yetis there as well

kratier

like the goblins which are just reanimated humans and some bad sound effects, dont expect them to make new models that arent cash shop exclusives

Darios_Heliodromos

Sylvermynx wrote: »

*shrug* I never expected to have "snakefolk Akaviri".
I have a hard time with stuff like this.

Neither did I. Pretty much all of the already existing lore concerning Tsaesci elude to them being humans who are culturally (and probably also physically) similar to East Asians. Everything about scales and snake-like characteristics probably refer to their armor, fighting styles, maybe even religious devotion. You go deep enough in the past and they are probably distantly related to Bretons, Nords, Imperials, and Redguards.

Also, we need to keep in mind that the term "Akaviri" is analogous to "Tamrielic" so it is best to refer to the people as Tsaesci.

StormeReigns

As well, it is only rumored that the Tsaesci are immortal vampire snake people. No official records have been made, even when the few who served an emperor (after a few assassinations, and i think two Tsaesci emps.) created the Fighters guild.

Most likely, they're humans. Probably their unique (asian themed) armor and weapons given them their "snake like" appearance to that of Tamriel.

Edaphon

They're just Imperials in silly garments.

Elsonso

ArchMikem wrote: »

What's so hard about taking a Lamia, cutting it in half and putting the upper half of an Imperial onto the lower half of a Lamia?

Pretty much all of what you said sounds hard.

AlienatedGoat

There are numerous rumored races that live on Akavir, not just Tsaesci. And it's not even confirmed that all Tsaesci are snake-like. Additionally, the ancient rumor that the snake Tsaesci "ate" all the humans on Akavir could be taken figuratively - i.e. that they were absorbed into their society. Therefore, there could entirely be human Tsaesci.

AlienatedGoat

Here's a book from Oblivion called "Akaviri Diary Translation" that is seemingly a translation of an Akaviri human's diary of his final days during the Akaviri Invasion in the First Era. This would support the idea of humans living with the Tsaesci and working with them as a part of their society.

Darios_Heliodromos

Is the Tonenaka in Rimmen visitable?

Are there any screenshots of the place?

MaxJrFTW

Tsaeci are snake people, akaviri are not...

RebornV3x

My thoughts on what snakefolk Akaviri would look like is a humanoid bipedal creature that have scaly snake-like skin that have fangs and a thin parted snake like tongue and small black snakelike eyes.

something like this except the face would be more Imperial/Human looking and there skin would be normal skin colors

JKorr

Sylvermynx wrote: »

*shrug* I never expected to have "snakefolk Akaviri". So I'm neither upset nor surprised. As far as the entire Akaviri premise, I'd prefer it wasn't even there. After all, "where the Akiviri army met its bloody end" is already in game and long past now. So we're supposed to buy into "peaceful" Akaviri in Rimmen?

I have a hard time with stuff like this.

The Akaviri slaver invasion is over, but it isn't exactly "long past". Jorunn's mother, Queen Mabjaarn died fighting in the battle at Windhelm, and his older sister, the heir to the throne Nurnhilde held the crown briefly before she too, was killed in the fighting. The Nord story for the Ebonheart Pact faction is the vestige stopping Fildgor's plan of stealing Nurnhilde's body and using magic to usurp the crown from Jorunn. In Stonefalls the Nord Holguun you do quests for fought alongside Tanval Indoril in the battle against the invaders there. When you do the quests at Vivec's Antlers you can hallow remains of the fighters who died in the last battle, when, the story goes, they were finally defeated by a Nord army led by Jorunn, a Dunmer army led by Almalexia, a force of Argonians, and a tidal wave that Vivec created, if you listen to the priestess. Other less biased reports have slightly different information. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Second_Akaviri_Invasion

The peaceful Akaviri in Rimmen went there to escape the campaign of the warlord Attrebus to remove/destroy foreign influence from Cyrodiil by expelling the Akaviri. The refugees were given asylum in Elsewyr, and became known as "Rim men", hence the name of the town.

Conduit0

There is definitely some information that needs to be cleared up here.

1. The term Akaviri is a general term that refers to anyone from Akavir.

2. The Tsaesci being snake like beings is not confirmed anywhere and the voracity of the claim is questioned even within the lore and in fact Oblivion offers direct proof that at the very least not all Tsaesci are snake people since the ghosts and skeletons of Tsaesci soldiers in the Pale Pass garrison are clearly human.

3. Even if there were actual Tsaesci snake people there were none left in Tamriel by the end of the first era.

4. The 2nd era Akaviri invasion that was the impetus for the Ebonheart Pact was not lead by the Tsaesci.

Danikat

This is pure speculation but maybe the Tsaesci are snake people in the same way khajiit are cat people: some of them look exactly like snakes, some are humanoid snakes and some are indistinguishable from humans (or elves in the case of khajiit).

Myrkgrav

I'd kill for a playable snake race.

StormeReigns

Conduit0 wrote: »

There is definitely some information that needs to be cleared up here.

1. The term Akaviri is a general term that refers to anyone from Akavir.

2. The Tsaesci being snake like beings is not confirmed anywhere and the voracity of the claim is questioned even within the lore and in fact Oblivion offers direct proof that at the very least not all Tsaesci are snake people since the ghosts and skeletons of Tsaesci soldiers in the Pale Pass garrison are clearly human.

3. Even if there were actual Tsaesci snake people there were none left in Tamriel by the end of the first era.

4. The 2nd era Akaviri invasion that was the impetus for the Ebonheart Pact was not lead by the Tsaesci.

I would say, by this time of the Second Era, there are probably no Tsaesci left in Tameriel, or if there are, it would be such a small number, it would be near impossible to locate them.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tsaesci_(race)

The Tsaesci once invaded Tamriel in 1E 2703, but were driven back by the forces of Emperor Reman I. Surviving Tsaesci in Cyrodiil served as mercenaries and personal guards of nobles They left many influences on Imperial institutions and culture, including the doctrines and equipment of the Imperial Legion, the creation of the Blades and Fighters Guild, a reverence among the Imperial aristocracy for all things Akaviri, and the adoption of the dragon as a symbol of the Empire. A number of Tsaesci even served the Second Empire as Potentates, among them Sidri-Ashak, Versidue-Shaie, and Savirien-Chorak. The latter two ruled the Second Empire outright during the first half of the Second Era, a period known as the Akaviri Potentate that was brought on by the demise of the Reman Dynasty.

dazee

RebornV3x wrote: »

My thoughts on what snakefolk Akaviri would look like is a humanoid bipedal creature that have scaly snake-like skin that have fangs and a thin parted snake like tongue and small black snakelike eyes.

something like this except the face would be more Imperial/Human looking and there skin would be normal skin colors

So bascially funny looking argonians!

Conduit0

SkerKro wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

There is definitely some information that needs to be cleared up here.

1. The term Akaviri is a general term that refers to anyone from Akavir.

2. The Tsaesci being snake like beings is not confirmed anywhere and the voracity of the claim is questioned even within the lore and in fact Oblivion offers direct proof that at the very least not all Tsaesci are snake people since the ghosts and skeletons of Tsaesci soldiers in the Pale Pass garrison are clearly human.

3. Even if there were actual Tsaesci snake people there were none left in Tamriel by the end of the first era.

4. The 2nd era Akaviri invasion that was the impetus for the Ebonheart Pact was not lead by the Tsaesci.

I would say, by this time of the Second Era, there are probably no Tsaesci left in Tameriel, or if there are, it would be such a small number, it would be near impossible to locate them.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tsaesci_(race)

The Tsaesci once invaded Tamriel in 1E 2703, but were driven back by the forces of Emperor Reman I. Surviving Tsaesci in Cyrodiil served as mercenaries and personal guards of nobles They left many influences on Imperial institutions and culture, including the doctrines and equipment of the Imperial Legion, the creation of the Blades and Fighters Guild, a reverence among the Imperial aristocracy for all things Akaviri, and the adoption of the dragon as a symbol of the Empire. A number of Tsaesci even served the Second Empire as Potentates, among them Sidri-Ashak, Versidue-Shaie, and Savirien-Chorak. The latter two ruled the Second Empire outright during the first half of the Second Era, a period known as the Akaviri Potentate that was brought on by the demise of the Reman Dynasty.

I said snake people, there is no actual evidence that the Akaviri Potentates were snake people.

StormeReigns

Conduit0 wrote: »

SkerKro wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

There is definitely some information that needs to be cleared up here.

1. The term Akaviri is a general term that refers to anyone from Akavir.

2. The Tsaesci being snake like beings is not confirmed anywhere and the voracity of the claim is questioned even within the lore and in fact Oblivion offers direct proof that at the very least not all Tsaesci are snake people since the ghosts and skeletons of Tsaesci soldiers in the Pale Pass garrison are clearly human.

3. Even if there were actual Tsaesci snake people there were none left in Tamriel by the end of the first era.

4. The 2nd era Akaviri invasion that was the impetus for the Ebonheart Pact was not lead by the Tsaesci.

I would say, by this time of the Second Era, there are probably no Tsaesci left in Tameriel, or if there are, it would be such a small number, it would be near impossible to locate them.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tsaesci_(race)

The Tsaesci once invaded Tamriel in 1E 2703, but were driven back by the forces of Emperor Reman I. Surviving Tsaesci in Cyrodiil served as mercenaries and personal guards of nobles They left many influences on Imperial institutions and culture, including the doctrines and equipment of the Imperial Legion, the creation of the Blades and Fighters Guild, a reverence among the Imperial aristocracy for all things Akaviri, and the adoption of the dragon as a symbol of the Empire. A number of Tsaesci even served the Second Empire as Potentates, among them Sidri-Ashak, Versidue-Shaie, and Savirien-Chorak. The latter two ruled the Second Empire outright during the first half of the Second Era, a period known as the Akaviri Potentate that was brought on by the demise of the Reman Dynasty.

I said snake people, there is no actual evidence that the Akaviri Potentates were snake people.

It's okay, I wasn't attacking you killer. No need to get defensive, just pointing out that the Tsaesci were in the 2nd era (Bolded), and made a comment that if there are, they would be very few (if they stayed) and quite probably near impossible to find on Tameriel.

JKorr

Danikat wrote: »

This is pure speculation but maybe the Tsaesci are snake people in the same way khajiit are cat people: some of them look exactly like snakes, some are humanoid snakes and some are indistinguishable from humans (or elves in the case of khajiit).

Rumors/histories/stories do say they are. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:2920,_Morning_Star_(v1)

As soon as he saw the two warriors enter the arena to the roar of the crowd, Emperor Reman III remembered that he had agreed to this several months before and forgotten about it. One combatant was the Potentate's son, Savirien-Chorak, a glistening ivory-yellow eel, gripping his katana and wakizashi with his thin, deceptively weak looking arms. The other was the Emperor's son, Prince Juilek, in ebony armor with a savage Orcish helm, shield and longsword at his side.

and https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:2920,_Evening_Star_(v12)

The Potentate Versidue-Shaie and his son Savirien-Chorak slithered into the room, both bedecked in the headdress and jewelry of the Tsaesci. There was no smile on their golden face, but there seldom was one. The Emperor still greeted his trusted advisor with enthusiasm.

xxthir13enxx

I think they all just had a lisp....

TheShadowScout

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Akaviri are mostly normal - asian - looking humans... but there are demi human races tigers, monkeys, snakes and yetis there as well

Wrong. In this era at any rate.
Once things over there were that way. Until the akaviri humans got driven out, or eaten... those driven out were part of the mix that became imperials, those eaten... became snakemen poo, presumably.

Conduit0 wrote: »

1. The term Akaviri is a general term that refers to anyone from Akavir.

Exactly, "akaviri" are four races - snakepeople Tsaesci, monkeypeople Tang Mo, tigerpeople Ka Po'tun, and "snow demons" Kamal (which noone is really sure what that actually means, so the developers could do whatever. From yeti to bearmen to reptiles that hibernate in the cold...)
Anyhow, more into on akaviri there: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422285/new-player-race-possibilities/p1

Conduit0 wrote: »

2. The Tsaesci being snake like beings is not confirmed anywhere...

IS confirmed.
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/why-tsaesci-may-or-may-not-have-legs-facts
...gives a good rundown of all the sources.
However, as that one points out... the sources about -how- snakey they might be are conflicting!
Of course, it could very well be that there are different flavors of snakeyness for the tsaesci, just like there are different flavors of cat-ness with the Khajiit... could be they have some "humanoid with legs and snakeskin" caste, and some "serpent-body" caste... (just like the D&D Yuan-ti!) right? Up to ZOS I reckon.

Conduit0 wrote: »

3. Even if there were actual Tsaesci snake people there were none left in Tamriel by the end of the first era.

...until the akaviri invasion a decade before ESO, which may or may not have had some along.

Conduit0 wrote: »

4. The 2nd era Akaviri invasion that was the impetus for the Ebonheart Pact was not lead by the Tsaesci.

...but by the Kamal.
But since noone can really tell from what little lore we have on that if they came all alone, or brought mercenary troops or slaves from the other races, well... ZOS can decide on whatever there.

Conduit0 wrote: »

I said snake people, there is no actual evidence that the Akaviri Potentates were snake people.

There is info the potentates were. or at the very least... some of them.
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/mysterious-akavir
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/2920-morning-star-book-1
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/2920-first-seed-book-3
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/2920-evening-star-book-12
Doesn't say they -all- were snake people tho. And the akaviri who came to cyrodil to eventually help lay the groundwork of the reman empire -were- at least in a large part akaviri humans, so... lore is fuzzy enough that ZOS can once again decide whatever suits their needs!

psychotrip

Darios_Heliodromos wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

*shrug* I never expected to have "snakefolk Akaviri".
I have a hard time with stuff like this.

Neither did I. Pretty much all of the already existing lore concerning Tsaesci elude to them being humans who are culturally (and probably also physically) similar to East Asians. Everything about scales and snake-like characteristics probably refer to their armor, fighting styles, maybe even religious devotion. You go deep enough in the past and they are probably distantly related to Bretons, Nords, Imperials, and Redguards.

Also, we need to keep in mind that the term "Akaviri" is analogous to "Tamrielic" so it is best to refer to the people as Tsaesci.

This is such a boring cop-out...yet again Zenimax chooses the most mundane interpretation of the lore whenever they can get away with it. And just like that, the world of Nirn is a little less interesting. Not enough to matter, but enough to notice.

Darios_Heliodromos

psychotrip wrote: »

This is such a boring cop-out...yet again Zenimax chooses the most mundane interpretation of the lore whenever they can get away with it. And just like that, the world of Nirn is a little less interesting. Not enough to matter, but enough to notice.

Why would it be considered boring? They are just as interesting as one would consider Nords or Imperials. If anything, it is pretty cool to know that there is a race of people on Akavir who would be considered extremely exotic, yet somewhat familiar to fans. Beyond that, it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for the Tsaesci to have somehow developed the ability to shapeshift into snakes in the 'beastland' of Akavir. The recent lore regarding the Tsaesci, Chevalier Renald, sorta hints towards that.

storm105

I mean even in universe it's theorized that the tsaecsi are actually just humans and a few sources even calls the tscaecsi just another race of men. We even see a half akaviri half redguard in from the yesa redguard comicbook that came with the game and he looks pretty human. I don't see the point in getting mad over something that was hinted at long before eso was a thing. Also is making another anthropomorphic race really that interesting? Who cares what they look like if their more isn't interesting. If anything I find the appearances of beastraces off-putting which is why I have never and will never play as a khajiit or argonian

TiZzA93

Alot of people seem to be putting akavir with taesci (completely forgot the exact spellings using a phone so cant see rn).
Well they are separate, akavir is the continent so EVERY race are akavir BUT taesci is supposedly a race of snake beings.
So humans AND taesci are akavir lol, aswell as the other races the monkeys, tigers, yeti/bear ppl etc.

WeerW3ir

RebornV3x wrote: »

My thoughts on what snakefolk Akaviri would look like is a humanoid bipedal creature that have scaly snake-like skin that have fangs and a thin parted snake like tongue and small black snakelike eyes.

something like this except the face would be more Imperial/Human looking and there skin would be normal skin colors

Arent they looks chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarming? ;D