Am I in the wrong?

Anhedonie

No, you're not in the wrong. Made a decision according to info you had at hand. It's all good.

redspecter23

Gilvoth wrote: »

kicking people from group needs to be removed from the game.
if you dont like the group or anyone in it then leave and make a new group.
stop insulting people by KICK its Rude.

Do you even realize how broken your suggestion is? Removing people from the group is absolutely necessary under many circumstances. What if someone goes afk forever? They can lock a group up (think AA and pressure plates). You may need to replace someone that is trolling, troublesome or just not capable. Your suggestion would cause far more problems than it solves and the fact that you can't see that is very worrisome.

Tasear

BuildMan wrote: »

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driosketch wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

And I definitely agree that the blame is not solely on them, I guess I was just looking for opinions. Because I started organizing runs a day or 2 ago.

If that's the case, we can cut you some slack. Leading takes experience after all. And it can take also take a lot of energy to do often.

Definitely takes its toll, had a group fall apart after a wipe on +2. Couldn’t get people to stay which sucked. Live and learn I suppose.

Its a heavy mental burden. Sometimes you will make decisions you will come to regret just think of them as lessons you would like to learn from in future.

So here's tip to avoid that issue and feeling. Put in group chat updates on what you are looking for. Remove last DPS who joined if group role issue occurs. These are altnerative soultion but decision and burden is still left to leader.

therift

BuildMan wrote: »

Definitely takes its toll, had a group fall apart after a wipe on +2. Couldn’t get people to stay which sucked. Live and learn I suppose.

That's one of the drawbacks of leading PuGs. Some players, who are familiar with the content or are expecting a straightforward run, will abandon the group if they perceive the group can't handle it.

starkerealm

BuildMan wrote: »

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driosketch wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

And I definitely agree that the blame is not solely on them, I guess I was just looking for opinions. Because I started organizing runs a day or 2 ago.

If that's the case, we can cut you some slack. Leading takes experience after all. And it can take also take a lot of energy to do often.

Definitely takes its toll, had a group fall apart after a wipe on +2. Couldn’t get people to stay which sucked. Live and learn I suppose.

Clearing +2 with a zone PUG is a very hard thing to pull off. You're not picking a team of players you can trust, you're getting whomever spoke up in zone first.

Thing about leading is: You will make mistakes. Learn from that, identify what you could have done better, move on. Don't flagellate yourself over those errors, but do learn from them.

Also, if you haven't, start to build a cadre of players you want to run with. Ones you've picked up in those runs. So, when you're PUGging in the future, you have a group of people you can trust to have your back.

starkerealm

Gilvoth wrote: »

kicking people from group needs to be removed from the game.
if you dont like the group or anyone in it then leave and make a new group.
stop insulting people by KICK its Rude.

[A Vote to Kick @Gilvoth Has Been Initiated]

Joking aside, kicking someone without explanation is kinda *****. At the same time, sometimes, you really do need to bullet someone from a group. You may have someone who is on the toad-licking end of the Dunning-Kruger spectrum, you may have a genuine troll, you may have a player who refuses to follow mechanics and causes the group to wipe. You may have someone who simply is not ready. At that point, if they do not willingly leave, you're giving every troll the power to make life miserable for others.

This is before you remember there are a host of places in the game where one sufficiently disgruntled player can stop forward progression, either by forcing a boss to reset, or by deliberately provoking wipe mechanics.

Yeah, I really want a Cloudrest run where you have players who will not weapon swap when overcharged by Relequen, respond to being told about the mechanic with, "no u" and proceed to laugh as they wipe the group can't be removed from the instance. That sounds great.

peacenote

BuildMan wrote: »

Alright so after reading all the posts I’ll go ahead and give my thoughts.

To begin let me say that I definitely feel like some of the blame falls on me. I should have ensured crown made its way back to me, regardless of if I had mic on, it was my group and this the decision should have fallen on me.

The other half I believe was just an honest mistake. I should have remembered his role but at the same time it can get difficult when you are whispering multiple people and you have the chat log filling up quick.

I guess if anything I will use this experience as a learning opportunity on how to organize and lead groups better. Thanks for the opinions everyone.

I'd like to just say that you can lead a group anytime for me! The fact that you are even asking these questions and taking responsibility for the outcome of such a scenario shows you are a great player to explore Tamriel with, in my opinion.

starkerealm

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

wait...u need more than 1 tank in ncr0? O_O

@xenowarrior92eb17_ESO, one tank goes into the shadow world on Z'maja and takes aggro down there. It can help inexperienced groups deal with her attacks. I've done it on moderately chunky stamblades and stamdens in the past, but for an inexperienced group, sending a tank down first can be the difference between clearing and wiping.

SaucyMcSauceface

When this sort of thing has happened to our groups, multiple people in the group are checking the roles before we even start the trial. Don't go in unless the roles are correct. If the roles are showing 9 dps, a group chat message asking whether that is intended allows people time to fix their role if it is a mistake.

therift

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

When this sort of thing has happened to our groups, multiple people in the group are checking the roles before we even start the trial. Don't go in unless the roles are correct. If the roles are showing 9 dps, a group chat message asking whether that is intended allows people time to fix their role if it is a mistake.

I'm sure OP would have done this, if he had Crown at the time the incorrectly marked player was kicked.

Nevertheless, a good point.

dazee

Tasear wrote: »

It's a judgement call as leader. There's no wrong or right. You had to make a decision.

"There is no Right or Wrong. Only Power and Weakness!" - Mannimarco.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

tell people to change group role if they change role. problem solved

ZonasArch

Gilvoth wrote: »

kicking people from group needs to be removed from the game.
if you dont like the group or anyone in it then leave and make a new group.
stop insulting people by KICK its Rude.

So... One jerk ruins it, and all other 3 or 11 need to wait for long cool down just so the jerk doesn't get the rude end of my actions, as they deserve?

Nah uh. Forgive me, but this is so so so stupidly absurd, it's borderline a joke.

Browiseth

I don't think you should spend this much time worrying; I can tell you the person you kicked certainly didn't.

Just move on. As an INFP I can tell you there's too many people in this world to worry about every interaction you have with them...You're just going to emotionally wear yourself out.

Casul

Just as a final follow up I have made these new rules when I organize.

I always get crown back after someone invites a player.

I post in chat to make sure role icons are accurate.

I post that if anyone needs to have mechanics explained then they should X in chat.

And for nCR I ask that everyone wait till we enter the dungeon then we will decided what + we are doing based on a vote. Unless I have advertised the run beforehand (like Lf 2 tank 2 heals 7 dps nCR+2)

I ran 6 times yesterday and only 1 failed. The other 5 went smoothly and people even got what they needed (including me )

So if anything I used the experience as a learning opportunity to ensure my runs go as smoothly as possible but also have clarity so everyone knows what’s expected.

dazee

The best raid groups in almost every MMO laugh when they wipe. but they still try seriously to do mechanics correctly. Laughing when you wipe just shows you're not gonna get upset and give up and never end up clearing. Groups which point fingers at the first sign- or 5th sign of trouble generally get nowhere. This mostly applies to static groups, but can to others.

wishlist14

Fristly, I'm going to give you the answer you want to hear :"No you are not in the wrong, you obviously did not do it on purpose and you are still a good person."

Secondly, I want to point out that regardless of what you did or did not do. That player did communicate with you and let you know they would be going on their dps. They must be feeling hurt or upset that after waiting and letting you know their role they got kicked. Let's be totally honest here, it's not nice to get kicked from a group when you did nothing wrong. So he has a right to be upset. Allow him that and move on.

Thirdly, there is a lot of pressure on group leaders etc to get it right and do it as quick as possible with the minimum of fuss and lets face it, we don't have the right tools to do that. Sure some people are great at getting it all right first go but for the majority that is not always the case. People are going off to change characters and roles and you are there waiting while some impatient players start to get antsy etc so yea it's not easy organising large groups on the fly without some hiccups,

Personally I think you did your best at the time.

Casul

wishlist14 wrote: »

Fristly, I'm going to give you the answer you want to hear :"No you are not in the wrong, you obviously did not do it on purpose and you are still a good person."

Secondly, I want to point out that regardless of what you did or did not do. That player did communicate with you and let you know they would be going on their dps. They must be feeling hurt or upset that after waiting and letting you know their role they got kicked. Let's be totally honest here, it's not nice to get kicked from a group when you did nothing wrong. So he has a right to be upset. Allow him that and move on.

Thirdly, there is a lot of pressure on group leaders etc to get it right and do it as quick as possible with the minimum of fuss and lets face it, we don't have the right tools to do that. Sure some people are great at getting it all right first go but for the majority that is not always the case. People are going off to change characters and roles and you are there waiting while some impatient players start to get antsy etc so yea it's not easy organising large groups on the fly without some hiccups,

Personally I think you did your best at the time.

I don’t want to hear anything in particular, and if you read the first page I even admit that I am partly at fault. I was just looking for opinions.

And I had a great deal of empathy for the player but at the same time I am basically getting these runs started myself. Not many people contribute to finding people.

At the end of everything I have digested the information and have learned from the experience.