Sorcs Need Some Love

universal_wrath

Hello everyone,

Now I know a lot of people are thinking that sorcs got buffed through amplatutde passive. But I find my sorc is still struggling to kill and sustain same as ever, even worse in excuation phase. The only way that allowed sorc to compete with other classes in excuation, is the fact that they have 2 instead of 1 like all classes. From a PVE prospective ampulsion and mages wrath would proc for around 20k each, while jesus beam would proc 25-40k per tic, impale for at least 30k. What I'm tring to say is that mages wrath is very low dmg exucation in comprison to other classes. There is also 2 passives that are completly useless for non pet sorcs, blood magic passive is nerfed(maybe fixed) I use to heal my charcter with each tick from the supression field, now blood mahic only work on the ulti when it's first proc. Also, 9% mag regen could have been better, but I don't see it helping with sustain at all.

What do you think?

Nerftheforums

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Alucardo

Sorc damage feels higher than ever, so I definitely don't want to see them buffed in that department. With a good enough stam pool/regen you can live on dark conversion for sustain. People who complain about sustain are usually the ones not doing anything to actually facilitate in managing their own resources, and expect their class to just carry them.
Mag sorc is in a spot where it's very hard to buff without overtuning them.

universal_wrath

But dark conversion cost stam/mag of other lower pool, and is cast time. Plus, dark conversion is not dynamic in rotation and is not returning resources as it used to be. Still not able to compete with nightblades and templars during excuation.

SaintSubwayy

Sorc are in a Decent sport right now, other classes are definetly in more need of love...

Stam and MagDK in PVE, Magwarden in PVE, stamsorc in PVE....just to name a few

jarydf

Sorcs don't need love, they just need to be left alone for awhile.

I am sick of zos nerfing things I like only to buff other things ending up in the same spot but feeling annoyed.

KhajiitFelix

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Wtf? It has superior sustain and damage, mobility from path and cloak. Sorc is nothing compared to magblade.

Swiftfox_Bouncyface

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Wtf? It has superior sustain and damage, mobility from path and cloak. Sorc is nothing compared to magblade.

People like you shouldn't be allowed to express their opinion

Qbiken

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Wtf? It has superior sustain and damage, mobility from path and cloak. Sorc is nothing compared to magblade.

If you would´ve said stamblade instead of magblade, your comment would´ve made some sense, but I can assure you that magsorc got lightyears better mobility and damage than magblade got this patch.

Cloak and Shade is useless if you can´t get rid of all snares that will constantly be applied to you in PvP. A magblade don´t have the luxury to run a snare remover (purge doesn´t count since it doesn´t give immunity) unless you want to gimp yourself and run 2h with Forward momentum.

BigBadVolk

Oooga booga MagBlade op

Alucardo

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Wtf? It has superior sustain and damage, mobility from path and cloak. Sorc is nothing compared to magblade.

I hope you're joking. Mag sorc can sustain indefinitely on dark conversion alone, not to forget it also has a decent heal attached to it as a bonus. Mobility you got boundless storm and streak. Damage is a lot more forgiving on sorc as well, as curse can't be dodged, reflected or even blocked, whereas everything in the magblades kit is delayed and telegraphed.
The fact you even brought up path in an argument makes me laugh.

Rake

Magdens need some love too.
Stamsorc as well.

Kikke

Sorc is a dubble layered class with two sides to it. Pet Sorc and Non-Pet Sorc.

Currently Pet Sorcs are realy strong for both PvP and PvE.

Meanwhile Non-Pet Sorcs have been forgotten and nerfed until oblivion.

- Last sustain "buff" was just a mere cost reduction to pet sorcs
- Implosion change was a step in the right direction
- Frag dmg buff is well received and was direly needed, still needs it's stun back tho.

WTB more love to Non-Pet Sorcs! We are pigeonholden into few builds that work in PvP, and underdogs in PvE DPS due to sustain issues.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

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BalticBlues

Kikke wrote: »

Currently Pet Sorcs are realy strong for both PvP and PvE.

This is a joke, right? How many Pet Sorcs of the entire PvP population do you see now? 1%? 2%?
Since ZOS removed the 3rd Overload bar, Pet Sorcs who have do double-bar their pets are missing so many skills that their gameplay is crippled. If NBs can have a one-slot-pet, why can't Sorcs?. PET SORCS NEED BAR-SLOTS. HELP!

ccmedaddy

I agree, sorc execute in TRAGIC in PvE. In many cases it's not even worth slotting.

IMO they should change one of the morphs to an instant execute (just like Impale) with a higher tooltip. This will make non-pet sorcs more competitive in PvE while changing nothing for PvP.

ezio45

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

non pet and mnb both need some help

ezio45

universal_wrath wrote: »

Hello everyone,

Now I know a lot of people are thinking that sorcs got buffed through amplatutde passive. But I find my sorc is still struggling to kill and sustain same as ever, even worse in excuation phase. The only way that allowed sorc to compete with other classes in excuation, is the fact that they have 2 instead of 1 like all classes. From a PVE prospective ampulsion and mages wrath would proc for around 20k each, while jesus beam would proc 25-40k per tic, impale for at least 30k. What I'm tring to say is that mages wrath is very low dmg exucation in comprison to other classes. There is also 2 passives that are completly useless for non pet sorcs, blood magic passive is nerfed(maybe fixed) I use to heal my charcter with each tick from the supression field, now blood mahic only work on the ulti when it's first proc. Also, 9% mag regen could have been better, but I don't see it helping with sustain at all.

What do you think?

I agree that non pet needs some help. But its not a damage thing. Its sustain thing. non pet msorc have the worst sustain in game. It makes it hard in execute when your mag pool empties so fast.

also non pet needs better heals for solo and pvp

shields for both non pet and mnb are extremely weak in pvp. especially if you arnt shield stacking on non pet.

ezio45

Alucardo wrote: »

Sorc damage feels higher than ever, so I definitely don't want to see them buffed in that department. With a good enough stam pool/regen you can live on dark conversion for sustain. People who complain about sustain are usually the ones not doing anything to actually facilitate in managing their own resources, and expect their class to just carry them.
Mag sorc is in a spot where it's very hard to buff without overtuning them.

first off, for the most part no class has sustain issues without adding things to there sustain in pvp. At least as mad as non pet.

second do not give me the exchange talk in pve.

ezio45

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Wtf? It has superior sustain and damage, mobility from path and cloak. Sorc is nothing compared to magblade.

I think i pvp both non pet and mnb need some help.

mnb isnt doing to hot either since the shield nerf and sustain and shields are both a problem for non pet.

The op is talking about pve tho.

Gilvoth

if you give us nightblades back the sneak speeds we once had that allowed us to sneak as fast as horses running, then sure, go ahead and buff sorcs.
but if not? then here is the truth.
sorcerer both magicka and stamina are very strong and do tremendous damage in pvp and thier shields are way too strong.
the very Last thing i would ever do on earth is to give "love" to them especially not buff them.
they need anything it would be they need nerfed in damage and have the explosion skill removed along with that horrible 50 mile wide hurricane that removes any chance for us nightlbades to be able to stealth.
i have even seen them cast hurricane while mounted on horse and sweep entire HUGE areas with hurricane running the whole time while we do everything we can to escape but cant because its so HUGE of an area of effect that no one can be in sneak Anywehere.

ezio45

Rake wrote: »

Magdens need some love too.
Stamsorc as well.

i agree there. non pet, mnb, magden and ssorc need some wor in both pvp and pve

ezio45

ccmedaddy wrote: »

I agree, sorc execute in TRAGIC in PvE. In many cases it's not even worth slotting.

IMO they should change one of the morphs to an instant execute (just like Impale) with a higher tooltip. This will make non-pet sorcs more competitive in PvE while changing nothing for PvP.

the delayed wrath is huge in pvp, its the only reason sorc is able to kill at all

ccmedaddy

ezio45 wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

I agree, sorc execute in TRAGIC in PvE. In many cases it's not even worth slotting.

IMO they should change one of the morphs to an instant execute (just like Impale) with a higher tooltip. This will make non-pet sorcs more competitive in PvE while changing nothing for PvP.

the delayed wrath is huge in pvp, its the only reason sorc is able to kill at all

Yeah that's why I want one of the morphs to be changed and the other to remain the way it is so PvPers can continue using it.

psychotic13

Sorcs are like battletanks now, thought it was more balanced before tbh when they dropped when there shields when down.

Universe

Magicka sorcerer should receive some buffs to sustain and execution.
Also, ZOS should change the way Overload works since it is really dull and only work for some very specific builds.
Furthermore, The magicka sorcerer pets should be nerfed since pet builds are OP in 1v1 and small scale PVP and in PVE.
ZOS buffed the pets in the last Update and by doing so they made them far too much rewarding.
This change was not needed at all and made pets OP:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.

Please note that this will not affect which stats your pets scale with, but rather if they will inherit things such as % damage done modifiers.

Developer Comment:

This was aimed at making the stat scaling system easier to understand in the long run; when you increase your own damage, your pets will now follow in scale as such. This is part of an ongoing process to make pets clearer and more enjoyable to use.

More enjoyable ? You made the pets OP @ZOS_BrianWheeler ...
Instead of buffing pets, please make the sorcerer class as a whole more enjoyable...
Why should players just use pets and not use other builds ?
It is important that the sorcerer class will allow more than one build to work properly and as it stands right now, pet sorcerer are at the top of the pyramid while other types of sorcerer builds are far behind.
Pets should be nerfed and the class should be buffed in sustain, execution and better DPS ultimate than Overload.
Overload is a joke.

Taktak

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Wtf? It has superior sustain and damage, mobility from path and cloak. Sorc is nothing compared to magblade.

That's True 👍

Taktak

universal_wrath wrote: »

Hello everyone,

Now I know a lot of people are thinking that sorcs got buffed through amplatutde passive. But I find my sorc is still struggling to kill and sustain same as ever, even worse in excuation phase. The only way that allowed sorc to compete with other classes in excuation, is the fact that they have 2 instead of 1 like all classes. From a PVE prospective ampulsion and mages wrath would proc for around 20k each, while jesus beam would proc 25-40k per tic, impale for at least 30k. What I'm tring to say is that mages wrath is very low dmg exucation in comprison to other classes. There is also 2 passives that are completly useless for non pet sorcs, blood magic passive is nerfed(maybe fixed) I use to heal my charcter with each tick from the supression field, now blood mahic only work on the ulti when it's first proc. Also, 9% mag regen could have been better, but I don't see it helping with sustain at all.

What do you think?

Developers jusk keep nerf sorc all the time......if there is class should be nerf more than others it will be nightblade, not sorc.

KhajiitFelix

Alucardo wrote: »

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Wtf? It has superior sustain and damage, mobility from path and cloak. Sorc is nothing compared to magblade.

I hope you're joking. Mag sorc can sustain indefinitely on dark conversion alone, not to forget it also has a decent heal attached to it as a bonus. Mobility you got boundless storm and streak. Damage is a lot more forgiving on sorc as well, as curse can't be dodged, reflected or even blocked, whereas everything in the magblades kit is delayed and telegraphed.
The fact you even brought up path in an argument makes me laugh.

Nobody runs dark conversation nor boundless and streak.

Priyasekarssk

Nerftheforums wrote: »

That magblades ow need A LOT more help than magsorcs.

Oh yes all leader boards are full of NBs and werewolf still need help. Can we ask ZOs to give godmode for mage blades ?

Priyasekarssk

universal_wrath wrote: »

Hello everyone,

Now I know a lot of people are thinking that sorcs got buffed through amplatutde passive. But I find my sorc is still struggling to kill and sustain same as ever, even worse in excuation phase. The only way that allowed sorc to compete with other classes in excuation, is the fact that they have 2 instead of 1 like all classes. From a PVE prospective ampulsion and mages wrath would proc for around 20k each, while jesus beam would proc 25-40k per tic, impale for at least 30k. What I'm tring to say is that mages wrath is very low dmg exucation in comprison to other classes. There is also 2 passives that are completly useless for non pet sorcs, blood magic passive is nerfed(maybe fixed) I use to heal my charcter with each tick from the supression field, now blood mahic only work on the ulti when it's first proc. Also, 9% mag regen could have been better, but I don't see it helping with sustain at all.

What do you think?

Mage wrath needs some fixes not damage boost. Most of the time its bugged or broken and completely useless. Apart that mage sorc should be pretty fine in execute if mage wrath is fixed . ZOs did something that mage wrath is completely broken now both in PVE and PVP. Another shelved skill from sorc tool kit and no one slotting it despite its an execute. No one wants to wrestle with a buggy skill.