Why TESO PVP need firearms

Alcest · March 2019

I want to explain here why TESO PVP need firearms. For example, today me and 3 my friends(so 4 players EP PVP group) was in Imperial City grinding bosses playing PVP etc. We confronted another group - 3 players DC group and we killed them. After first fight we killed them about 3-4 times or more today's evening. Later this evening we confronted 5 players AD group, and this time they killed us. We met them around 8 times and everytime they killed us with absolutely no chances for our group.

Now, imagine similar situations like I described above in any more or less realistic game with firearms(CS:GO, Armed Assault, DayZ etc). In any game(more or less realistic) with firearms small scale group has chances to win vs bigger or stronger group. Because firearms is deadly and one man with rifle is able to kill 3-4 guys with rifles. So if we would have guns today's evening in Imperial City, may be we could win at least 2-3 of 9 fights vs that AD group.

oXI_Viper_IXo · March 2019

Wat

Alucardo · March 2019

Firearms are deadly? Bro, I can pull a comet from the fkn sky

VaranisArano · March 2019

A 3v4 or a 4v5 is a pretty balanced fight for IC or Cyrodiil, assuming both sides know what they are doing.

If your group of 4 kept losing to 5 players, I don't think firearms are going to be the answer to your problem.

starkerealm · March 2019

Alcest · March 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

A 3v4 or a 4v5 is a pretty balanced fight for IC or Cyrodiil, assuming both sides know what they are doing.

If your group of 4 kept losing to 5 players, I don't think firearms are going to be the answer to your problem.

3v4 or a 4v5 just an example(i think its not balanced fight though). What about 2vs5 or 1vs3 in TESO? No chances for smaller group.

Tasear · March 2019

No doesn't fit world setting. I would go with traps instead.

Alcest · March 2019

Tasear wrote: »

No doesn't fit world setting. I would go with traps instead.

setting would be fine.

starkerealm · March 2019

Alcest wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

No doesn't fit world setting. I would go with traps instead.

setting would be fine.

Not, really, seeing any guns there. Just, constructs.

Dragneel1207 · March 2019

Alcest wrote: »

I want to explain here why TESO PVP need firearms. For example, today me and 3 my friends(so 4 players EP PVP group) was in Imperial City grinding bosses playing PVP etc. We confronted another group - 3 players DC group and we killed them. After first fight we killed them about 3-4 times or more today's evening. Later this evening we confronted 5 players AD group, and this time they killed us. We met them around 8 times and everytime they killed us with absolutely no chances for our group.

Now, imagine similar situations like I described above in any more or less realistic game with firearms(CS:GO, Armed Assault, DayZ etc). In any game(more or less realistic) with firearms small scale group has chances to win vs bigger or stronger group. Because firearms is deadly and one man with rifle is able to kill 3-4 guys with rifles. So if we would have guns today's evening in Imperial City, may be we could win at least 2-3 of 9 fights vs that AD group.

sorry but its medival fantasy mmo
we dont want firearms and make game more toxic with one shot gankers

LordGavus · March 2019

Alcest wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

No doesn't fit world setting. I would go with traps instead.

setting would be fine.

Flame thrower and energy beam?
I can already do that on my characters.

chaserstorm16909 · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

The purrfect reaction. ^

KMarble · March 2019

Alcest wrote: »

Because firearms is deadly and one man with rifle is able to kill 3-4 guys with rifles.

AoEs can do damage to more than one person at a time. Also, we're playing a game where at a very early level we

kill a god-like creature

I don't think this game is very realistic.

One last thing, you do realize that in your scenario the other group would also carry firearms, right? And that they too would be able to kill 3-4 people. So, according to your logic, one person from your group would be able to kill 3 or 4 of the other group, which would still leave one or two of them to kill all of you.

starkerealm · March 2019

I hate to break it to you, but it's distinctly possible your character has the ability to project a magical field which protects them from incoming damage. To say nothing of, you know, vampires.

So, now you have reasons for everyone to run vampires or werewolves, instead of just, you know, most people. Because, again, normal bullets don't work on them.

Finally, you might not have noticed this, but a lot of characters wear really heavy armor. While it's difficult to know with absolute certainty, a lot of that stuff does look heavy enough to shrug off a black powder round or twenty. Might not be able to handle a modern cartridge, but that just leads into all kinds of other questions.

Ultimately, TES doesn't really have gunpowder. And, the prevalence of magic in the setting means there's not much incentive to invent the stuff. Really, explosives in general are in pretty short supply in Tamriel, because you generally don't need them. Need that wall out of your way? Magic. Annoying troll trying to rip you limb from limb? Magic. Need to be accused of summoning up infernal creatures and get put to death? Clanfears have you covered.

So, no, it wouldn't, really, fit with TES.

Alucardo · March 2019

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dwarven_Arquebus

Probably the closest thing you'll get to a firearm that I can find - An arm cannon that shoots bolts. If you were expecting UMPs, FN SCAR, or 12 guage shotguns, then I'm afraid you're out of luck

Bouldercleave · March 2019

Nope - If I wanted to shoot people, I'd reenlist in the Army.

I'm out the second that they are announced.

Kulvar · March 2019

Firearms do not exists millenias later in Skyrim, no chance to see them.
Also, even with firearms, you would die all the same. Play better or invite more people.

Razorback174 · March 2019

Absolutely not.

(although Caster guns would be awesome)

VaranisArano · March 2019

Alcest wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

A 3v4 or a 4v5 is a pretty balanced fight for IC or Cyrodiil, assuming both sides know what they are doing.

If your group of 4 kept losing to 5 players, I don't think firearms are going to be the answer to your problem.

3v4 or a 4v5 just an example(i think its not balanced fight though). What about 2vs5 or 1vs3 in TESO? No chances for smaller group.

1vX is an imaginary playstyle, I guess!

Oh, wait. Its not. A skilled player or better organized group can definitely beat a larger, but less organized or skilled group. Against groups of equal skill/organization, usually the larger group wins, but that's to be expected, all other things being equal - and guns wouldn't change that.

Androconium · March 2019

Alcest wrote: »

I want to explain here why TESO PVP need firearms. For example, today me and 3 my friends(so 4 players EP PVP group) was in Imperial City grinding bosses playing PVP etc. We confronted another group - 3 players DC group and we killed them. After first fight we killed them about 3-4 times or more today's evening. Later this evening we confronted 5 players AD group, and this time they killed us. We met them around 8 times and everytime they killed us with absolutely no chances for our group.

Now, imagine similar situations like I described above in any more or less realistic game with firearms(CS:GO, Armed Assault, DayZ etc). In any game(more or less realistic) with firearms small scale group has chances to win vs bigger or stronger group. Because firearms is deadly and one man with rifle is able to kill 3-4 guys with rifles. So if we would have guns today's evening in Imperial City, may be we could win at least 2-3 of 9 fights vs that AD group.

Charlton Heston found a soulgem.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Nope - If I wanted to shoot people, I'd reenlist in the Army.

I'm out the second that they are announced.

^^this

Itzmichi · March 2019

Ah, you must be new here. Ever been zaan'ed or dawnbreaker'ed or sniped? 🤔

You know If I wanted to play a shooter I'd go back to UT99, my boi.

ArchMikem · March 2019

This is Tamriel.

You get Crossbows. There's your "Firearm".

geonsocal · March 2019

oh yeah baby - gimme dat legendary pump...the world would be mine...

how about maybe throwing a little low gravity in to the environment - so we can all bunny hop proper...

bearbelly · March 2019

If they're better than you without using guns, they'll still be better than you when they are able to use guns.

geonsocal · March 2019

bearbelly wrote: »

If they're better than you without using guns, they'll still be better than you when they are able to use guns.

that's just crazy talk...

yodased · March 2019

How would you feel on the opposite side of your suggestion? Those 3 DC players that you fought and beat 4-5 times, do you think they felt like they had a chance against you and would like some firearms?

If they had these firearms and they used them against you and they beat you, would this be acceptable?

Would you say: well at least they had a chance against us with those firearms, they really did a good thing by putting them in the game.

Or would it be more like:

Firearms are ruining this game, it allows 2-3 people to take on 10 people. That is completely unfair, unbalanced and they need to be taken from the game.

Perspective is a ***.

AndrewQ84 · March 2019

No

If you want to play an MMO with guns, go play SWTOR or FFXIV. Both have classes that use guns. Have fun.

bearbelly · March 2019

yodased wrote: »

How would you feel on the opposite side of your suggestion? Those 3 DC players that you fought and beat 4-5 times, do you think they felt like they had a chance against you and would like some firearms?

If they had these firearms and they used them against you and they beat you, would this be acceptable?

Would you say: well at least they had a chance against us with those firearms, they really did a good thing by putting them in the game.

Or would it be more like:

Firearms are ruining this game, it allows 2-3 people to take on 10 people. That is completely unfair, unbalanced and they need to be taken from the game.

Perspective is a ***.

Or... If they were to add guns to the game, those 10 people would have access to them just like those 2-3 people would; ergo, nothing would change.

JKorr · March 2019

Alcest wrote: »

I want to explain here why TESO PVP need firearms. For example, today me and 3 my friends(so 4 players EP PVP group) was in Imperial City grinding bosses playing PVP etc. We confronted another group - 3 players DC group and we killed them. After first fight we killed them about 3-4 times or more today's evening. Later this evening we confronted 5 players AD group, and this time they killed us. We met them around 8 times and everytime they killed us with absolutely no chances for our group.

Now, imagine similar situations like I described above in any more or less realistic game with firearms(CS:GO, Armed Assault, DayZ etc). In any game(more or less realistic) with firearms small scale group has chances to win vs bigger or stronger group. Because firearms is deadly and one man with rifle is able to kill 3-4 guys with rifles. So if we would have guns today's evening in Imperial City, may be we could win at least 2-3 of 9 fights vs that AD group.

Oh dear. Someone better start explaining to everyone that bows, staves, aoes of various types, and the fighter's guild silver bolts won't kill anything. If only "firearms is deadly"./sarcasm This concept might be unbelievable to the many people in the pvp/battlegrounds in the game who end up getting killed at a distance without firearms..... Even in the "good old days" the dwemer never bothered with firearms. Giant walking crossbow siege machines, yes. Firearms, not so much.

yodased · March 2019

bearbelly wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

How would you feel on the opposite side of your suggestion? Those 3 DC players that you fought and beat 4-5 times, do you think they felt like they had a chance against you and would like some firearms?

If they had these firearms and they used them against you and they beat you, would this be acceptable?

Would you say: well at least they had a chance against us with those firearms, they really did a good thing by putting them in the game.

Or would it be more like:

Firearms are ruining this game, it allows 2-3 people to take on 10 people. That is completely unfair, unbalanced and they need to be taken from the game.

Perspective is a ***.

Or... If they were to add guns to the game, those 10 people would have access to them just like those 2-3 people would; ergo, nothing would change.

We have identified a hitherto unknown third option, the debate continues. Shall we go down this rabbit hole of absurdity? I believe its nigh time for a spiderman thread anyway.

Urvoth · March 2019

Yeah I need a sniper so I can jumping 360 noscope off bridges