Warden Bear Ulti

SanSan

So why doesn't this pet hold aggro or generate aggro?

BrokenGameMechanics

The bear is just smoking ruins now. Frankly the Warden Class Rep(s) didn't do us any favors there that resulted in the huge nerf to the bear. Currently it has to be easily the worst Ulti in the game by a wide margin and don't even start with the ancillary issues in PvP.

As a none Ulti, I think the Reps and Designers look at the bear as a DPS supplement and a rather mediocre "finisher". A very far cry from the original vision. As it is now regulated to an awkward DPS "buff" I doubt it will ever be a "pocket" tank for a solo Warden running PVE content.

ESO_Nightingale

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

The bear is just smoking ruins now. Frankly the Warden Class Rep(s) didn't do us any favors there that resulted in the huge nerf to the bear. Currently it has to be easily the worst Ulti in the game by a wide margin and don't even start with the ancillary issues in PvP.

As a none Ulti, I think the Reps and Designers look at the bear as a DPS supplement and a rather mediocre "finisher". A very far cry from the original vision. As it is now regulated to an awkward DPS "buff" I doubt it will ever be a "pocket" tank for a solo Warden running PVE content.

Ehhh, the worst ultimates in my opinion are Bat Swarm(Clouding Swarm Speficially), Rend and Bolstering Darkness (Veil Of Blades Specifically) i'd say. also they didn't hint or ask for a bear nerf. I'm pretty sure the pain point we reported was similar to "we want to use other ultimates than the bear" this was a hint to buff other ultimates like Northern Storm for PvE, but this was a couple of months ago and ZOS interprets things how they want. stop making the Reps a scapegoat.

Lughlongarm

Bear is OK as a dps bot in PVE, but as a two slot Ulti I would like to see some more utility on it. for example, they could make the bear passive attack(the aoe+stun) as an active skill, so you have the execute on one bar and the aoe stun on the second bar(you can chose an attack base on the situation). It will not be the end of the world if one of the skiils had taunt tied to it.

Another thing that could be cool is if bear will be really considered as a "companion" , a special kind of pet that is considered like an ally player for the purposes of passives and on ally effects(perhaps even warden can activate synergy with bear).


On the other side of the equation, I think netch should stop being considered as a pet, it's not a pet, its a buff.

Starlight_Knight

Its dreadfull - The warden bear to me feels like a casual RP thing and a cash grab.
It needs to have a taunt, and it needs to have a teleport to target effect when you cast the ulti to make it effective and reliable in pvp.

Moonsorrow

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

Its dreadfull - The warden bear to me feels like a casual RP thing and a cash grab.
It needs to have a taunt, and it needs to have a teleport to target effect when you cast the ulti to make it effective and reliable in pvp.

Teleporting bear with a taunt huh?

Why don`t we give it Cloak, Incap and Wings too, for a perfect ninja bear. /s



Bear would be fine if it took just 1 bar slot.. Still, i think the bear should be a regular skill and not ultimate and Shalks should be ultimate instead of it, because Shalks are hitting as hard as a regular skill as other classes ultimates, so they should switch them around and adjust damages and functionality accordingly. Just imo.

Yes, would nerf shalk-trains at cyrodiil a bit, i know.. *cloaks away*

BahometZ

Yeah, for something double-barred it's pretty disappointing. I like the idea of each bar perhaps having a different effect. That's cool and interesting. One can be an DPS execute, the other can have a support or AoE effect.

I'd also like to have different skins for it. Something besides bear perhaps. They could have a theme for each major DLC.

Wrothgar = Echelette
Morrowind = Kaghouti/Hunger
Summerset = Yaghra/Gryphon
Elsweyr = Senche-raht

Just a thought.

max_only

If you are on pc you can send your bear in without attacking the enemy yourself, the mob will focus on the bear first for a few seconds. This is where you unload your ranged attack and the mob should die by then, if it doesn’t then yes, the mob will change focus to you.

People wanted to be “cyromancers” or “nature Templars” so they asked for the bear to not be as necessary for dps, they didn’t want to depend solely on the bear. so Zos gave the bear a 30% decrease in damage instead of increasing ice or nature like they asked because “reasons”.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We reduced the damage of bear so we could buff the base damage of Wardens; the overall DPS should be within 1-2% of what it was before due to the buff of Advanced Species. This means anyone who doesn't use the bear will see less of a DPS loss.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435756/why-nerfing-the-bear/p1

See, we nerfed it so you won’t feel like you have to use it.

We tried. ⭐️

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/438173/smokey-the-bear-needs-your-help

Actually got a response on this one, nonsensical but a response nonetheless.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435756/why-nerfing-the-bear

ESO community only bands together enforce when it comes to Sorcerers or Nightblades, ignoring all others who are struggling.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/439220/so-how-bout-dem-bears
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/438534/dear-zos-please-reconsider-the-bear-nerf

Not even acknowledged in the official thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435650/pts-update-20-feedback-thread-for-wardens

Ender1310

I like it. I use master architect so the low ult cost suits me fine. I dun get what you guys are complaining about.

Masel

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

The bear is just smoking ruins now. Frankly the Warden Class Rep(s) didn't do us any favors there that resulted in the huge nerf to the bear. Currently it has to be easily the worst Ulti in the game by a wide margin and don't even start with the ancillary issues in PvP.

As a none Ulti, I think the Reps and Designers look at the bear as a DPS supplement and a rather mediocre "finisher". A very far cry from the original vision. As it is now regulated to an awkward DPS "buff" I doubt it will ever be a "pocket" tank for a solo Warden running PVE content.

Just wanted to chime in and say that we suggested to have other options buffed instead of the bear nerfed. We told them warden wants other options, not that they should nerf the bear. How do you want to know how we look at the bear?

Having a low-cost ultimate is a very important factor in PvE because it allows you to use war machine and master architect and magicka warden is the only fully ranged spec that can provide it from range.

It has problems yes, especially in pvp having a melee pet is very problematic, tying burst to it very unreliable and the execute hardly usable. So PvP wise I agree that it needs improvement, but in PvE you can make a lot of stuff out of the bear.

Also, you can already teleport yourself to it through natures grasp. It is very effective in PvP because it is one of the strongest HoTs in game right now.

max_only

Ender1310 wrote: »

I like it. I use master architect so the low ult cost suits me fine. I dun get what you guys are complaining about.

Master Architect is a trial set that only helps in Dungeons and Trials. From the op’s question we can extrapolate they aren’t using the bear in dungeons and trials as a dps if they want it to taunt. If one wants the bear to taunt, one is looking for it to be your tank in solo content. Master Architect (acquisition and usage) requires a group environment.

zvavi

I don't think any pet should taunt. not sorc. Not warden. But you know, that's only my opinion.

Starlight_Knight

Moonsorrow wrote: »

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

Its dreadfull - The warden bear to me feels like a casual RP thing and a cash grab.
It needs to have a taunt, and it needs to have a teleport to target effect when you cast the ulti to make it effective and reliable in pvp.

Teleporting bear with a taunt huh?

Why don`t we give it Cloak, Incap and Wings too, for a perfect ninja bear. /s



Bear would be fine if it took just 1 bar slot.. Still, i think the bear should be a regular skill and not ultimate and Shalks should be ultimate instead of it, because Shalks are hitting as hard as a regular skill as other classes ultimates, so they should switch them around and adjust damages and functionality accordingly. Just imo.

Yes, would nerf shalk-trains at cyrodiil a bit, i know.. *cloaks away*

Well that would be silly,, the bear needs a gap closer - if you've tried to use it in PVP the its easily lost just by jumping down a level or our of a tower or something, and if you cast the ulti and the bear isn't attacking the target you get charged for it and ofc nothing happens.
If it took up one bar it would still have trash AI - a gap closer on the ulti activation would at leased bring it back into the fight.

Xvorg

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

The bear is just smoking ruins now. Frankly the Warden Class Rep(s) didn't do us any favors there that resulted in the huge nerf to the bear. Currently it has to be easily the worst Ulti in the game by a wide margin and don't even start with the ancillary issues in PvP.

As a none Ulti, I think the Reps and Designers look at the bear as a DPS supplement and a rather mediocre "finisher". A very far cry from the original vision. As it is now regulated to an awkward DPS "buff" I doubt it will ever be a "pocket" tank for a solo Warden running PVE content.

Ehhh, the worst ultimates in my opinion are Bat Swarm(Clouding Swarm Speficially), Rend and Bolstering Darkness (Veil Of Blades Specifically) i'd say. also they didn't hint or ask for a bear nerf. I'm pretty sure the pain point we reported was similar to "we want to use other ultimates than the bear" this was a hint to buff other ultimates like Northern Storm for PvE, but this was a couple of months ago and ZOS interprets things how they want. stop making the Reps a scapegoat.

Bolstering Darkness is not a bad ulti... in fact it can be useful for a Tank or a healer in PvE.

kylewwefan

The Warden Bear Ult has been broke for some time now. He works ok if your just beating on a dummy. But in content, he stands around, not attacking anything, no care in the world.

Oh, you want to fire his cheap ultimate off. Nope. Not gonna work. When he does attack, keeps resetting and running back in from offscreen somewhere.

Holding aggro is the least of my concerns with this dude. I just want him to work kind of like it’s supposed to.

ESO_Nightingale

Xvorg wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

The bear is just smoking ruins now. Frankly the Warden Class Rep(s) didn't do us any favors there that resulted in the huge nerf to the bear. Currently it has to be easily the worst Ulti in the game by a wide margin and don't even start with the ancillary issues in PvP.

As a none Ulti, I think the Reps and Designers look at the bear as a DPS supplement and a rather mediocre "finisher". A very far cry from the original vision. As it is now regulated to an awkward DPS "buff" I doubt it will ever be a "pocket" tank for a solo Warden running PVE content.

Ehhh, the worst ultimates in my opinion are Bat Swarm(Clouding Swarm Speficially), Rend and Bolstering Darkness (Veil Of Blades Specifically) i'd say. also they didn't hint or ask for a bear nerf. I'm pretty sure the pain point we reported was similar to "we want to use other ultimates than the bear" this was a hint to buff other ultimates like Northern Storm for PvE, but this was a couple of months ago and ZOS interprets things how they want. stop making the Reps a scapegoat.

Bolstering Darkness is not a bad ulti... in fact it can be useful for a Tank or a healer in PvE.

Its a bit expensive for its effects. And i specifically said veil of blades. It isn't as good as the other morph. It's just really underwhelming. Its not completely horrible. But most ultimates are fine so im drawing water from a shallow pool. Damage isn't really an effect it needs.

dazee

I bearly used it before and I bearly use it now.

Solariken

Yeah that bear is garbage.

Instead of the crappy unreliable execute, the active effect should just be the current attack + Major Berserk for you and the bear for like 8 seconds. Maybe the bear could also gain CC/snare immunity for the duration (not the Warden though).

Also Shalks need to be toned way down or redesigned and other areas buffed. It doesn't feel good to have SOOO much of the warden's power tied to a single poorly-designed skill that was clearly made for griefing in PvP.

ESO_Nightingale

dazee wrote: »

I bearly used it before and I bearly use it now.

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Xvorg

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

The bear is just smoking ruins now. Frankly the Warden Class Rep(s) didn't do us any favors there that resulted in the huge nerf to the bear. Currently it has to be easily the worst Ulti in the game by a wide margin and don't even start with the ancillary issues in PvP.

As a none Ulti, I think the Reps and Designers look at the bear as a DPS supplement and a rather mediocre "finisher". A very far cry from the original vision. As it is now regulated to an awkward DPS "buff" I doubt it will ever be a "pocket" tank for a solo Warden running PVE content.

Ehhh, the worst ultimates in my opinion are Bat Swarm(Clouding Swarm Speficially), Rend and Bolstering Darkness (Veil Of Blades Specifically) i'd say. also they didn't hint or ask for a bear nerf. I'm pretty sure the pain point we reported was similar to "we want to use other ultimates than the bear" this was a hint to buff other ultimates like Northern Storm for PvE, but this was a couple of months ago and ZOS interprets things how they want. stop making the Reps a scapegoat.

Bolstering Darkness is not a bad ulti... in fact it can be useful for a Tank or a healer in PvE.

Its a bit expensive for its effects. And i specifically said veil of blades. It isn't as good as the other morph. It's just really underwhelming. Its not completely horrible. But most ultimates are fine so im drawing water from a shallow pool. Damage isn't really an effect it needs.

VoB is quite good in PvP, especially if you are doing tower farming. Is highly appreciated in PvP groups since it allows extra ulti regen through the heal, not to mention the major protection buff.

It has a lot of uses but it need to be used in groups

Cladius30

just get rid of the bear replace it with another option.
i am a warden in heart in this game but the bear has never worked.

Cladius30

I hate to say this but if zos doesn't want to make the bear more like how animals are in wow then the bear will not work at all.. I hate to say that because i am not a wow fan but i think this is true

ESO_Nightingale

Xvorg wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

The bear is just smoking ruins now. Frankly the Warden Class Rep(s) didn't do us any favors there that resulted in the huge nerf to the bear. Currently it has to be easily the worst Ulti in the game by a wide margin and don't even start with the ancillary issues in PvP.

As a none Ulti, I think the Reps and Designers look at the bear as a DPS supplement and a rather mediocre "finisher". A very far cry from the original vision. As it is now regulated to an awkward DPS "buff" I doubt it will ever be a "pocket" tank for a solo Warden running PVE content.

Ehhh, the worst ultimates in my opinion are Bat Swarm(Clouding Swarm Speficially), Rend and Bolstering Darkness (Veil Of Blades Specifically) i'd say. also they didn't hint or ask for a bear nerf. I'm pretty sure the pain point we reported was similar to "we want to use other ultimates than the bear" this was a hint to buff other ultimates like Northern Storm for PvE, but this was a couple of months ago and ZOS interprets things how they want. stop making the Reps a scapegoat.

Bolstering Darkness is not a bad ulti... in fact it can be useful for a Tank or a healer in PvE.

Its a bit expensive for its effects. And i specifically said veil of blades. It isn't as good as the other morph. It's just really underwhelming. Its not completely horrible. But most ultimates are fine so im drawing water from a shallow pool. Damage isn't really an effect it needs.

VoB is quite good in PvP, especially if you are doing tower farming. Is highly appreciated in PvP groups since it allows extra ulti regen through the heal, not to mention the major protection buff.

It has a lot of uses but it need to be used in groups

I have never heard of this. It sounds interesting.

dazee

Cladius30 wrote: »

I hate to say this but if zos doesn't want to make the bear more like how animals are in wow then the bear will not work at all.. I hate to say that because i am not a wow fan but i think this is true

Yeah wow pets were pretty darn hard to kill and did decent damage when I played last (Legion)

SodanTok

Dunno, when I look at bear I see:

- One of best PVE single target ultimates
- The only ultimate in game that deals over 50% of its damage for no cost
- The best war machine/master architect ultimate, working from any range
- Extremely cheap, giving sustain benefit by replacing 1 skill cast roughly every 20s.

Dont get me wrong, its not flawless and PVP application outside of duels isnt right, but complaining about bear? Majority of ultimates in the game are worse than bear and nearly all of them dont even have 2 used morphs.

Tryxus

SodanTok wrote: »

- The best war machine/master architect ultimate, working from any range

That is true: MagDens are decent MA DPSers and they are perfectly viable for endgame content. But even in that role, they are completely overshadowed by MagBlades due to them having higher DPS. I'm pretty sure that the majority of raid leaders prefer a MagBlade instead.

The Bear also took quite a nerf (30% Damage nerf), bringing MagDens down even further. This one made no sense at all really...

And lastly, the Bear also is the only Ultimate in the game that requires both Ulti slots, which limits the Warden in both PvE and PvP. No Destro Ulti, no defensive Ulti,... (Personally I think that the Bear should be an exception due to being an Ultimate, and ZOS should allow us to single bar it)

max_only

It’s threads like these that I wonder if Zos truly has the best representation of their target audience.

They might need to do more focus testing/broader panels.

Casul

I’ve been thinking for a while that the magic bear should have a frost AoE that lasts X seconds when you activate it.

And the stamina should have a claw swipe that applies a long dot to enemies in a cone.

ESO_Nightingale

BuildMan wrote: »

I’ve been thinking for a while that the magic bear should have a frost AoE that lasts X seconds when you activate it.

And the stamina should have a claw swipe that applies a long dot to enemies in a cone.

I think that eternal guardian should have its morph changed. Perhaps it should have less cast time or something. Its already really long so shaving off a second as a morph effect would be much better Imo. And it doesn't die in certain areas of the game anymore.

Masel

Tryxus wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

- The best war machine/master architect ultimate, working from any range

That is true: MagDens are decent MA DPSers and they are perfectly viable for endgame content. But even in that role, they are completely overshadowed by MagBlades due to them having higher DPS. I'm pretty sure that the majority of raid leaders prefer a MagBlade instead.

The Bear also took quite a nerf (30% Damage nerf), bringing MagDens down even further. This one made no sense at all really...

And lastly, the Bear also is the only Ultimate in the game that requires both Ulti slots, which limits the Warden in both PvE and PvP. No Destro Ulti, no defensive Ulti,... (Personally I think that the Bear should be an exception due to being an Ultimate, and ZOS should allow us to single bar it)

Well, Wardens complained they had to use the bear to be useful at all in PvE, and thats why ZoS nerfed the bear and buff warden without it...

ESO_Nightingale

Masel wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

- The best war machine/master architect ultimate, working from any range

That is true: MagDens are decent MA DPSers and they are perfectly viable for endgame content. But even in that role, they are completely overshadowed by MagBlades due to them having higher DPS. I'm pretty sure that the majority of raid leaders prefer a MagBlade instead.

The Bear also took quite a nerf (30% Damage nerf), bringing MagDens down even further. This one made no sense at all really...

And lastly, the Bear also is the only Ultimate in the game that requires both Ulti slots, which limits the Warden in both PvE and PvP. No Destro Ulti, no defensive Ulti,... (Personally I think that the Bear should be an exception due to being an Ultimate, and ZOS should allow us to single bar it)

Well, Wardens complained they had to use the bear to be useful at all in PvE, and thats why ZoS nerfed the bear and buff warden without it...

It was a 100% well thought out plan on ZoS's part. No issues at all. Except they forgot the implied part #2. 0_o