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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭And that's why I dont pug dungeons anymore yay!
FG2 for the average player is not easy, esp trying the hard mode cause all that damage they take, their instinct is gonna go to that bubble
But I feel you op, when I was pugging, I explained mechanics and tried to help but most of the time, the low cp players hate to admit ignorance and refuse help and it just gets toxic
Low level players calling high level players elitist and toxic when I see the most toxicity from the casuals. They think they're too mighty to take advice and anyone who helps them or is better than them are elitists
Top players were all new too but we grow as players and people, not steep into stubbornness and self wallow1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭No mercy for the weaklingI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations3 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well it all depend on the attitude.
I got trash talked very hard to my 1st vFG2 because I've cancel the HM too.
It was the 1st time, and the game don't tell you anything about HM, so if you don't know..
Hopefully the Tank tell to the 2 other to shut their mount and he explain me. After that we did it w/o problem.
Same for ppl who insult me cuz I've a DK healer in vet... I've done all vet with this healer w/o any problem.
It doesn't matter if ppl are low or high CP, an ass is still an ass.
I very doubt he patiently carried them the whole way to be a rhymes with rick at the end.1 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Never liked this "vote to kick" option. It brings out the idiot in people.
I 100% totally agree on principle, however...
I'm not sure how we'd go about dealing with fake tanks... had one in vFG II last night; 17k health, no taunts, wouldn't respond when we asked them if they had any. We wouldn't have finished the dungeon with them.1 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...2 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?3 -
Rukzadlithau✭✭✭✭Social outcasts in a herd suddenly become the bullies they complain about. Classic.2
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CassandraGemini✭✭✭✭✭
✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
It's really kind of sad, how many people here seem to think that the only "right" way to play a game is the one that is most efficient. It is just a game! Everyone should be able to play it how they please and if they have fun that's what's most important.
But of course I can see that it IS annoying when people show no signs of consideration for the others in their group when it comes to the dungeons, I get that. I mean, I had it happen myself in many different forms, fake tanks and healers are just one facet of this issue. However, I don't think that the players that you see as inferior to yourself are really the ones to blame here. That would just be the case, if they went into dungeons they could not complete willingly and knowingly and just didn't care for the other group members at all, and sure, there might be people like that. What you have to consider, though, is how the dungeon finder tool works. As a new player you have no idea that you can end up in dungeons you are by no means ready for when you use the dungeon finder, in good faith that it will put you into content that you can beat at your current level. The way I see it, DLC dungeons should not be unlocked at level 45, vet dungeons should definitely not be unlocked at 50, and DLC dungeons should also not be included in the random dungeon finder (or, well, you should have the option to say that you don't want to include them). But they are, and so people are actually justified to think that they should be able to complete this content when the game clearly tells them they can by giving them the option to access it.
There's also the thing that I can imagine that a lot of ESO players are not your typical MMO players. A lot of them are probably just Elder Scrolls fans who didn't want to keep waiting for TESO VI and thought they'd give the Online version a shot (I have to admit I'm one of them). These people don't have as much of an understanding of the multiplayer aspect of the game as designated MMO players, so that's something to consider, as well.Edited by CassandraGemini on March 9, 2019 7:21PMThis poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!2 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭karthrag_inak wrote: »Probably kicked for obvious attitude. Only time i've ever seen anyone kicked has been due to their asshatishness.
What did he do or say that made him an aashatishness that deserved the kick?
And Im not talking about his anger after the fact. I want to know what he did or said during the dungeon.
You must have valid and factual evidence.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Are you kidding me? This is why so many people hate low CP players. I Spent 40 minutes carrying these people through the dungeon. They were clueless, i was going out of my way to be polite to them and struggling in an easy dungeon, teaching them the mechanics. Then they kick me on the last boss because i told them to reset after one of them went into the bubble right after pulling the boss.
From now on every time some *** wants to kick a low CP at the beginning of a dungeon just because they're low CP, I'll be voting yes instead of no. I've always believed in giving everyone a chance, because everyone was new at one point, but what these people did to me was just messed up. That's 40 minutes down the drain. No good deed goes unpunished, even in video games it seems...
If what you are saying is true. Dont worry. I guarantee you if they were that low and needed carry, they did not finishs.0 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Never liked this "vote to kick" option. It brings out the idiot in people.
I 100% totally agree on principle, however...
I'm not sure how we'd go about dealing with fake tanks... had one in vFG II last night; 17k health, no taunts, wouldn't respond when we asked them if they had any. We wouldn't have finished the dungeon with them.
You do realize that vFG2 you do not even need a tank if the group know what they are doing. Obviously tank is not bad if you fail on dps sectorCassandraGemini wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
It's really kind of sad, how many people here seem to think that the only "right" way to play a game is the one that is most efficient. It is just a game! Everyone should be able to play it how they please and if they have fun that's what's most important.
But of course I can see that it IS annoying when people show no signs of consideration for the others in their group when it comes to the dungeons, I get that. I mean, I had it happen myself in many different forms, fake tanks and healers are just one facet of this issue. However, I don't think that the players that you see as inferior to yourself are really the ones to blame here. That would just be the case, if they went into dungeons they could not complete willingly and knowingly and just didn't care for the other group members at all, and sure, there might be people like that. What you have to consider, though, is how the dungeon finder tool works. As a new player you have no idea that you can end up in dungeons you are by no means ready for when you use the dungeon finder, in good faith that it will put you into content that you can beat at your current level. The way I see it, DLC dungeons should not be unlocked at level 45, vet dungeons should definitely not be unlocked at 50, and DLC dungeons should also not be included in the random dungeon finder (or, well, you should have the option to say that you don't want to include them). But they are, and so people are actually justified to think that they should be able to complete this content when the game clearly tells them they can by giving them the option to access it.
There's also the thing that I can imagine that a lot of ESO players are not your typical MMO players. A lot of them are probably just Elder Scrolls fans who didn't want to keep waiting for TESO VI and thought they'd give the Online version a shot (I have to admit I'm one of them). These people don't have as much of an understanding of the multiplayer aspect of the game as designated MMO players, so that's something to consider, as well.
Nothing to be sad about telling the truth.. the idea of any content is to finish it correct? I'am only stating the fact that so many are missing basic skills to do that.
Not my fault if those people fail learn and improve but it is also waste of everyones time when they have no will to so.... you can hide behind attitutes or whatever you call it. Facts still remain.
Learn the game = Finish the content. Simple as that... that works in other areas of IRL as well. Don't always expect to be carried around. Instead start pulling your own weight.0 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?
It is also good fun to learn how to play and actually finish content. You disagree? Nothing personal or self worth about those... just facts.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really want to know if unfair dungeon kicks are considered something in the reports. I play ESO for almost 2 years and i was kicked for little things in 4 or 5 occasions (like pulling a group of mobs as a healer in a normal dungeon) or not joining the group with a specific skill they want me to have (like shards or orb).
My behavior doing the content is identical in every run, and still in isolated cases when i have the misfortune to queue with 3 premade players those things repeat themselves with the same excuses after i PM the leader for a reason to have done that.
Probably i'm reporting those players in vain.
It's one of the few things I"ll report other players for - abusing the kick function. That and botting.1 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?
It is also good fun to learn how to play and actually finish content. You disagree? Nothing personal or self worth about those... just facts.
Maybe for you...but you know what they say..."Different strokes..."2 -
CassandraGemini✭✭✭✭✭
✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Never liked this "vote to kick" option. It brings out the idiot in people.
I 100% totally agree on principle, however...
I'm not sure how we'd go about dealing with fake tanks... had one in vFG II last night; 17k health, no taunts, wouldn't respond when we asked them if they had any. We wouldn't have finished the dungeon with them.
You do realize that vFG2 you do not even need a tank if the group know what they are doing. Obviously tank is not bad if you fail on dps sectorCassandraGemini wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
It's really kind of sad, how many people here seem to think that the only "right" way to play a game is the one that is most efficient. It is just a game! Everyone should be able to play it how they please and if they have fun that's what's most important.
But of course I can see that it IS annoying when people show no signs of consideration for the others in their group when it comes to the dungeons, I get that. I mean, I had it happen myself in many different forms, fake tanks and healers are just one facet of this issue. However, I don't think that the players that you see as inferior to yourself are really the ones to blame here. That would just be the case, if they went into dungeons they could not complete willingly and knowingly and just didn't care for the other group members at all, and sure, there might be people like that. What you have to consider, though, is how the dungeon finder tool works. As a new player you have no idea that you can end up in dungeons you are by no means ready for when you use the dungeon finder, in good faith that it will put you into content that you can beat at your current level. The way I see it, DLC dungeons should not be unlocked at level 45, vet dungeons should definitely not be unlocked at 50, and DLC dungeons should also not be included in the random dungeon finder (or, well, you should have the option to say that you don't want to include them). But they are, and so people are actually justified to think that they should be able to complete this content when the game clearly tells them they can by giving them the option to access it.
There's also the thing that I can imagine that a lot of ESO players are not your typical MMO players. A lot of them are probably just Elder Scrolls fans who didn't want to keep waiting for TESO VI and thought they'd give the Online version a shot (I have to admit I'm one of them). These people don't have as much of an understanding of the multiplayer aspect of the game as designated MMO players, so that's something to consider, as well.
Nothing to be sad about telling the truth.. the idea of any content is to finish it correct? I'am only stating the fact that so many are missing basic skills to do that.
Not my fault if those people fail learn and improve but it is also waste of everyones time when they have no will to so.... you can hide behind attitutes or whatever you call it. Facts still remain.
Learn the game = Finish the content. Simple as that... that works in other areas of IRL as well. Don't always expect to be carried around. Instead start pulling your own weight.
*lol* Interestingly, you completely ignored pretty much everything I actually pointed out in my post and instead just focused on what seems to be important to you. It's also fascinating that you automatically assume I must be really bad or a total casual, just because I think the people that are shouldn't be treated badly online. But you know, if you can't handle the fact - I bring those up since you seem to be so into "facts" - that not everyone you will meet in a PUG in an online game will be a great player, then maybe MMOs aren't for you? Maybe go and play a single-player game instead? Just a suggestion.Edited by CassandraGemini on March 9, 2019 9:30PMThis poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!1 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭CassandraGemini wrote: »SidraWillowsky wrote: »Never liked this "vote to kick" option. It brings out the idiot in people.
I 100% totally agree on principle, however...
I'm not sure how we'd go about dealing with fake tanks... had one in vFG II last night; 17k health, no taunts, wouldn't respond when we asked them if they had any. We wouldn't have finished the dungeon with them.
You do realize that vFG2 you do not even need a tank if the group know what they are doing. Obviously tank is not bad if you fail on dps sectorCassandraGemini wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
It's really kind of sad, how many people here seem to think that the only "right" way to play a game is the one that is most efficient. It is just a game! Everyone should be able to play it how they please and if they have fun that's what's most important.
But of course I can see that it IS annoying when people show no signs of consideration for the others in their group when it comes to the dungeons, I get that. I mean, I had it happen myself in many different forms, fake tanks and healers are just one facet of this issue. However, I don't think that the players that you see as inferior to yourself are really the ones to blame here. That would just be the case, if they went into dungeons they could not complete willingly and knowingly and just didn't care for the other group members at all, and sure, there might be people like that. What you have to consider, though, is how the dungeon finder tool works. As a new player you have no idea that you can end up in dungeons you are by no means ready for when you use the dungeon finder, in good faith that it will put you into content that you can beat at your current level. The way I see it, DLC dungeons should not be unlocked at level 45, vet dungeons should definitely not be unlocked at 50, and DLC dungeons should also not be included in the random dungeon finder (or, well, you should have the option to say that you don't want to include them). But they are, and so people are actually justified to think that they should be able to complete this content when the game clearly tells them they can by giving them the option to access it.
There's also the thing that I can imagine that a lot of ESO players are not your typical MMO players. A lot of them are probably just Elder Scrolls fans who didn't want to keep waiting for TESO VI and thought they'd give the Online version a shot (I have to admit I'm one of them). These people don't have as much of an understanding of the multiplayer aspect of the game as designated MMO players, so that's something to consider, as well.
Nothing to be sad about telling the truth.. the idea of any content is to finish it correct? I'am only stating the fact that so many are missing basic skills to do that.
Not my fault if those people fail learn and improve but it is also waste of everyones time when they have no will to so.... you can hide behind attitutes or whatever you call it. Facts still remain.
Learn the game = Finish the content. Simple as that... that works in other areas of IRL as well. Don't always expect to be carried around. Instead start pulling your own weight.
*lol* Interestingly, you completely ignored pretty much everything I actually pointed out in my post and instead just focused on what seems to be important to you. It's also fascinating that you automatically assume I must be really bad or a total casual, just because I think the people that are shouldn't be treated badly online. But you know, if you can't handle the fact - I bring those up since you seem to be so into "facts" - that not everyone you will meet in a PUG in an online game will be a great player, then maybe MMOs aren't for you? Maybe go and play a single-player game instead? Just a suggestion.
I did not anything you said nor did you prove anything I said wrong. Are you "those" people you are yourself refering to?
Where did I make assumptions about your skill levels either.
There nothing about been "treated badly" either by stating the truth. If the dps pulls enough dps to skill mudcrab and she/he is in vet dungeon than that is waste of everyones time. If tank don't know basics about how to tank well that is also waste of others time etc. You get the picture?
I assume you remain silent and do not expect anything from others by telling them "good job" when in all honesty their performance was terrible. You really think they will improve or continue to be carried through every content.
As said only stating facts so no need to get touchy and salty about it. I learned to "ok" player in this game and by any means am "elite" as you people like to call it. Just do your stuff, learn and pull your weight as it should be.0 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?
It is also good fun to learn how to play and actually finish content. You disagree? Nothing personal or self worth about those... just facts.
Maybe for you...but you know what they say..."Different strokes..."
By "diffrent strokes" you mean enjoying content hours that can be passed within 20min...and in the end you just enjoying people doing bow light attacks until dawn
...than again each of our own I guess. 0 -
CassandraGemini✭✭✭✭✭
✭CassandraGemini wrote: »SidraWillowsky wrote: »Never liked this "vote to kick" option. It brings out the idiot in people.
I 100% totally agree on principle, however...
I'm not sure how we'd go about dealing with fake tanks... had one in vFG II last night; 17k health, no taunts, wouldn't respond when we asked them if they had any. We wouldn't have finished the dungeon with them.
You do realize that vFG2 you do not even need a tank if the group know what they are doing. Obviously tank is not bad if you fail on dps sectorCassandraGemini wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
It's really kind of sad, how many people here seem to think that the only "right" way to play a game is the one that is most efficient. It is just a game! Everyone should be able to play it how they please and if they have fun that's what's most important.
But of course I can see that it IS annoying when people show no signs of consideration for the others in their group when it comes to the dungeons, I get that. I mean, I had it happen myself in many different forms, fake tanks and healers are just one facet of this issue. However, I don't think that the players that you see as inferior to yourself are really the ones to blame here. That would just be the case, if they went into dungeons they could not complete willingly and knowingly and just didn't care for the other group members at all, and sure, there might be people like that. What you have to consider, though, is how the dungeon finder tool works. As a new player you have no idea that you can end up in dungeons you are by no means ready for when you use the dungeon finder, in good faith that it will put you into content that you can beat at your current level. The way I see it, DLC dungeons should not be unlocked at level 45, vet dungeons should definitely not be unlocked at 50, and DLC dungeons should also not be included in the random dungeon finder (or, well, you should have the option to say that you don't want to include them). But they are, and so people are actually justified to think that they should be able to complete this content when the game clearly tells them they can by giving them the option to access it.
There's also the thing that I can imagine that a lot of ESO players are not your typical MMO players. A lot of them are probably just Elder Scrolls fans who didn't want to keep waiting for TESO VI and thought they'd give the Online version a shot (I have to admit I'm one of them). These people don't have as much of an understanding of the multiplayer aspect of the game as designated MMO players, so that's something to consider, as well.
Nothing to be sad about telling the truth.. the idea of any content is to finish it correct? I'am only stating the fact that so many are missing basic skills to do that.
Not my fault if those people fail learn and improve but it is also waste of everyones time when they have no will to so.... you can hide behind attitutes or whatever you call it. Facts still remain.
Learn the game = Finish the content. Simple as that... that works in other areas of IRL as well. Don't always expect to be carried around. Instead start pulling your own weight.
*lol* Interestingly, you completely ignored pretty much everything I actually pointed out in my post and instead just focused on what seems to be important to you. It's also fascinating that you automatically assume I must be really bad or a total casual, just because I think the people that are shouldn't be treated badly online. But you know, if you can't handle the fact - I bring those up since you seem to be so into "facts" - that not everyone you will meet in a PUG in an online game will be a great player, then maybe MMOs aren't for you? Maybe go and play a single-player game instead? Just a suggestion.
I did not anything you said nor did you prove anything I said wrong. Are you "those" people you are yourself refering to?
Where did I make assumptions about your skill levels either.
There nothing about been "treated badly" either by stating the truth. If the dps pulls enough dps to skill mudcrab and she/he is in vet dungeon than that is waste of everyones time. If tank don't know basics about how to tank well that is also waste of others time etc. You get the picture?
I assume you remain silent and do not expect anything from others by telling them "good job" when in all honesty their performance was terrible. You really think they will improve or continue to be carried through every content.
As said only stating facts so no need to get touchy and salty about it. I learned to "ok" player in this game and by any means am "elite" as you people like to call it. Just do your stuff, learn and pull your weight as it should be.
Okay, so first off, I'm only going to answer you once more, because this is getting to be straining. What I meant by saying that you ignored my post was, that I was actually talking about the group finder and how it puts people into vet and dlc dungeons that they shouldn't be doing at low levels, way too early. So, there's that.
Referring to your question where you made assumptions about my skill level: Did you not say that I shouldn't always expect to be carried around and instead start pulling my own weight? If you did not mean me specifically, you should really have phrased that differently.
And no, I certainly don't remain silent as you can very well see in an earlier post I made where I wrote clearly that I told a tank to please do his job and slot a taunt when he hadn't and the group kept wiping. But yes, I do say "good job" when I see that people really tried, even though they might not be at the best possible level yet. Nice people I PUGged with told me "good job" as well, when I wasn't good in any way and didn't even really know how to do a proper rotation, but was still trying really hard. Would you rather I completely discourage them instead so they leave and never come back to dungeons?
Also, as a general tip, you shouldn't compare games to real life, not in the sense that you did in any way. Take it from someone who is very likely a good bit older than you: Life is way more complex and hard than any game could ever be, and it is for that exact reason that you should mainly play for fun. Not everything needs to be a pain or a science.
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Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Fair enough (was not refering to you and english is not my native language) and to be honest ZoS should actually make overland content and normal dungeons harder which would force people to learn mechanics, rotation etc.
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✭Okay, in that case I take that part back (the one where I thought you were adressing me directly). English is not my native language either, so I can understand that. No harm done, I hope? This poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!0 -
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✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?
It is also good fun to learn how to play and actually finish content. You disagree? Nothing personal or self worth about those... just facts.
Maybe for you...but you know what they say..."Different strokes..."
By "diffrent strokes" you mean enjoying content hours that can be passed within 20min...and in the end you just enjoying people doing bow light attacks until dawn ...than again each of our own I guess.
What does that even mean? I may not enjoy doing bow light attacks...but far be it for me to begrudge the fact that someone else might actually enjoy that style of play...1 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭CassandraGemini wrote: »Okay, in that case I take that part back (the one where I thought you were adressing me directly). English is not my native language either, so I can understand that. No harm done, I hope?
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Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?
It is also good fun to learn how to play and actually finish content. You disagree? Nothing personal or self worth about those... just facts.
Maybe for you...but you know what they say..."Different strokes..."
By "diffrent strokes" you mean enjoying content hours that can be passed within 20min...and in the end you just enjoying people doing bow light attacks until dawn ...than again each of our own I guess.
What does that even mean? I may not enjoy doing bow light attacks...but far be it for me to begrudge the fact that someone else might actually enjoy that style of play...
If that is your prefered "style" of play than may I suggest your first target is a dps dummy... that would tell that best content for that "style" is overland content of eso.0 -
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✭✭karthrag_inak wrote: »Probably kicked for obvious attitude. Only time i've ever seen anyone kicked has been due to their asshatishness.
Typing out the mechanics and sticking for 40 minutes with a group of new players is being an ass? Once again, no good deed goes unpunished. Apparently being helpful is a negative act.
Yea, i feel like people don;t really take time to UNDERSTAND.
But honestly, if you vent your frustration on the forums, you will just get people saying that you are a drama queen or things like that, just because you are probably honestly pissed off at the situation and rightly so, if what you told is true, these are usually the same people who would complain if they got in a similar situation not necessarily in game, but at the same time bash other people who do this, just ridiculous.
The bigger question is what was OP's attitude during that 40 minutes. I doubt they kicked OP for no reason.
So you think that someone who had an attitude would stay for 40 min in fungal grotto to carry some noobs?
Come on man, that makes 0 sense.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?
It is also good fun to learn how to play and actually finish content. You disagree? Nothing personal or self worth about those... just facts.
That is the usual, don;t care about what others say, i'm just gonna do whatever i want even if i will drag my companions down with me, it;'s such a annoying way of thinking that it's hard to put into words, it just shows that you don;t give a crap about anything other than you.
You would think that if you join a dungeon you would be at least decent enough to carry your weight, but no, in the mind of these people you should carry them if they can;t perform, because that;s their fun, their fun is doing whatever they want, and if they fail they want YOU to pick up their slack, they might not say it, or even think it, but that's essentially what they are doing, and being ignorant of this, really means that you didn't really think this through, and as they say ignorance is guilt, especially in situation that could be easily be dealt with.
It's fine to not know something, it's not fine to not learn, in any situation no matter how small or insignificant it is.
Because all that matters is their fun, and when you point that out they call you entitled for saying that, even though they are guilty of this, even though you are probably being 10 times as useful as him, but it;s you who are entitled, yea sure buddy.
If you wanna do whatever you want with no repercussions play a single player game, but when you are in an mmo, the rules of social interaction apply because you are not playing ALONE, you are playing with other people, people who probably wanna complete the content, and sure as hell don;t wanna drag your useless ass around.
In any case, getting good at games really isn't that hard, especially in games like this, so the, determine your self worth in games, is just pure trash, getting to 30k dps in a group is easy, if you can;t even do that, than you either have severe physical problems, or just don't give a f, and that's fine, just stay out of vet dungeons if you don;t wanna be useful in any way, or at the very least have the decency to try better if you are playing with other people, even if you don't know much.
Sincerely.
To clear up possible misunderstandings, i was talking about the previous quote, not the one shown.
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Miswar✭✭✭✭✭karthrag_inak wrote: »Probably kicked for obvious attitude. Only time i've ever seen anyone kicked has been due to their asshatishness.
Typing out the mechanics and sticking for 40 minutes with a group of new players is being an ass? Once again, no good deed goes unpunished. Apparently being helpful is a negative act.
Yea, i feel like people don;t really take time to UNDERSTAND.
But honestly, if you vent your frustration on the forums, you will just get people saying that you are a drama queen or things like that, just because you are probably honestly pissed off at the situation and rightly so, if what you told is true, these are usually the same people who would complain if they got in a similar situation not necessarily in game, but at the same time bash other people who do this, just ridiculous.
The bigger question is what was OP's attitude during that 40 minutes. I doubt they kicked OP for no reason.
So you think that someone who had an attitude would stay for 40 min in fungal grotto to carry some noobs?
Come on man, that makes 0 sense.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
What did you not understand?
As said +80% ESO players are so out of touch how to play the game that they would struggle to finish even older vet dungeons if the group consist same level players. Thus there usually is 1 or 2 players that carry these people through.
That is sad fact and no doubt most of stay that level too and continue to be carried again and again. It is not just low cp issue there are tons of maxed out cp players that you see and you can only think what have they been doing to get those cp's. They are that bad...
As for dlc dungeons nerfs.. the reason is the above and bulk of the eso players are either incompentent / lazy to learn or both. Take your pick and that is why they are nerfing those dlc dungeons in order let them achieve finish with minimal effort...
...or maybe they don't determine self worth with being gud at a video game and just want to be laid back and have fun?...but who am I to say?
It is also good fun to learn how to play and actually finish content. You disagree? Nothing personal or self worth about those... just facts.
That is the usual, don;t care about what others say, i'm just gonna do whatever i want even if i will drag my companions down with me, it;'s such a annoying way of thinking that it's hard to put into words, it just shows that you don;t give a crap about anything other than you.
You would think that if you join a dungeon you would be at least decent enough to carry your weight, but no, in the mind of these people you should carry them if they can;t perform, because that;s their fun, their fun is doing whatever they want, and if they fail they want YOU to pick up their slack, because all that matters is their fun, and when you point that out they call you entitled for saying that, even though they are guilty of this, even though you are probably being 10 times as useful as him, but it;s you who are entitled, yea sure buddy.
If you wanna do whatever you want with no repercussions play a single player game, but when you are in an mmo, the rules of social interaction apply because you are not playing ALONE, you are playing with other people, people who probably wanna complete the content, and sure as hell don;t wanna drag your useless ass around.
Sincerely.
In any case, getting good at games really isn't that hard, especially in games like this, so the, determine your self worth in games, is just pure trash, getting to 30k dps is easy, and with that you would already be in the "better" players portion, which is quite telling to be honest.
Very well said and that is exactly the point.
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Gordon906✭✭✭I usually just kick low cps in vet dungeons. If the kick doesn't go through, I will just leave.0 -
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Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭FG2 carried? For 40 minutes? If you took 40 minutes to carry my group in FG2, I'd kick you too.1