Add faction locked 7-day campaign or put 48-72 hour acct cooldown on hops in same campaign

Enkil

The faction hopping is occurring en masse where players are going from low pop faction to high pop or Emp faction with daily frequency, on weekends, and during prime time. It's absolutely ridiculous on Kyne NA-PC.

Sure, some want to faction hop so they can play with friends or even play on underdog but those are by far the minority. This absence of any restrictions whatsoever has been continuously and totally abused by the majority of those that do so.

Will you all please do something? Put a 48 or 72 hour timer on accounts for hopping on same account alt from another faction on the same campaign. SIMPLE & VERY REASONABLE!!!!

(won't solve all but will help minimize)

Or... just add or change one campaign to be an acct faction locked 7-day campaign for the duration.

[side note: I asked the mods to close and lock the thread if people keep trolling it... be respectful, present your arguments and let it be after that.... don’t be petty, disrespectful or try to derail my thread please]

Haashhtaag

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

Kadoin

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

You don't get it; it's all about being able to control another player's experience. That's why most of the clowns that support lock seem to automatically think it will make people group up and follow them more. There needs to be a lock so they can see that there is virtually no difference in reality, except for the population imbalance being even bigger than it is now.

I know if a lock comes, I'd honestly play less or go roam around outside a group even more just to spite the players that wanted the lock. PvP has been going downhill anyway with all the proc sets and changes they keep pushing, not to mention the extreme lag.

Beardimus

100% up for a timer on locks. It's time.

I'd take a complete lock quite happily as the arguments against don't stack up, however appreciate some players are passionate about that, Thus a timer would be a happy medium, i see no case against it.

I'd prefer a locked campaign, or lock Sotha and Shor at least and vivec on a timer.

Anything would be good to stop the idiots cheating, boosting, and messing with legit players fun. It's the complete answer but its a start.

Enkil

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

a dead campaign? Kyne is the PIPELINE for new PvP players...

If you have a coherent rebuttal or counter-proposal, by all means STATE IT!

[edit] Thank You in advance

Beardimus

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

a dead campaign? Kyne is the PIPELINE for new PvP players...

If you have a coherent rebuttal or counter-proposal, by all means STATE IT!

[edit] Thank You in advance

@Enkil there never is. They go along the lines of

- but playing with mates
- but weren't you here before as it was bad / sky will fall
- but alliance with the most players will win as I'm a white shining knight of action hoping and love to pop on the underdog and take on the opposing monster zergs

And that's about it. Which none of compare to the boosters, cheats, emp flippers, scroll cheats and confusing nature of alliance switching.

It doesn't HAVE to be a lock. I'm open to solutions. Boosting alliance loyalty in other ways might work. But from.where i see it a fraction lock fixes alot and a time out is reasonable.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned it beening look at a year back, we might hear plans soon.

Enkil

I get and sympathize with some of those reasons but this total Free-For-All non-sense ruleset doesn't work. Most players want freedom and to be able to play with friends/play underdog/blah blah blah and that's totally understandable. At the same time, there is a certain expectation amongst players that certain basic rules are inherent and understood. However, those basic rules are currently missing/absent.

I'm simply asking for basic common sense restrictions that most players automatically assume are in place already to be put in place. Why has this been overlooked in the transition from total account lock to an absolute abandon? It is foolish and reckless game development. Please fix it @ZOS_BrianWheeler Perhaps a timer of 48-72 hours on faction swapping same account/campaign maybe? We were told this was "being looked into" April 2018.. what gives?? RESPOND PLEASE

Beardimus

Spot on. Well articulated as you are right players play to a code yet others do as they wish and undermine it.

IndorilArwynLlethran

Dear ZOS. Please, make one more PVP campaign with alliance lock for role players. This would resolve all the problems about "hoppers" and "honest".

Anrose

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

a dead campaign? Kyne is the PIPELINE for new PvP players...

If you have a coherent rebuttal or counter-proposal, by all means STATE IT!

If u aren't capable of at least that, kindly keep quiet please. Thank You in advance

I have one...

Game is dead. Just let it die.

Morgul667

A 7 days no cp locked campaign

Haashhtaag

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

a dead campaign? Kyne is the PIPELINE for new PvP players...

If you have a coherent rebuttal or counter-proposal, by all means STATE IT!

If u aren't capable of at least that, kindly keep quiet please. Thank You in advance

Kyne is a pipeline of zergling players who refuse to go to sotha or shor or Vivec because they can use their golded lowbey gear and pick on new players. That’s it.

Vapirko

But mah frens

Minalan

There aren't enough players left for this, everyone is too busy playing Apex.

PC/NA is so dead, in the Vivec campaign the AD nerds rob the EP scrolls every night and cap the map.

First sign of a dead campaign, people stop playing when they can't win, and Apex is a sh*t-ton more fun.

Enkil

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

a dead campaign? Kyne is the PIPELINE for new PvP players...

If you have a coherent rebuttal or counter-proposal, by all means STATE IT!

If u aren't capable of at least that, kindly keep quiet please. Thank You in advance

Kyne is a pipeline of zergling players who refuse to go to sotha or shor or Vivec because they can use their golded lowbey gear and pick on new players. That’s it.

In reality, that is the minority.. no reason to make big changes in game or develop to cater to them. The vast pool of potential PvP players get turned off to PvP totally by those few gold-geared rerollers on Kyne logging cross-faction alts to "farm" them.

Big part of why I'm requesting a timer...


For those saying the game is dead.. that doesn't matter if the devs still working on it.. they need to fix broken stuff.. (esp since they adding new content quite often)

Crispen_Longbow

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

a dead campaign? Kyne is the PIPELINE for new PvP players...

If you have a coherent rebuttal or counter-proposal, by all means STATE IT!

If u aren't capable of at least that, kindly keep quiet please. Thank You in advance

Kyne is a pipeline of zergling players who refuse to go to sotha or shor or Vivec because they can use their golded lowbey gear and pick on new players. That’s it.

In reality, that is the minority.. no reason to make big changes in game or develop to cater to them. The vast pool of potential PvP players get turned off to PvP totally by those few gold-geared rerollers on Kyne logging cross-faction alts to "farm" them.

Big part of why I'm requesting a timer...


For those saying the game is dead.. that doesn't matter if the devs still working on it.. they need to fix broken stuff.. (esp since they adding new content quite often)

Easy fix for this...

Make it so that if your "Account" has every had a character over 50 they aren't allowed into Kyne even if that character was deleted. Problem solved. Kyne will only be populated with beginner players. Once you have a character that caps out you cap out.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

a dead campaign? Kyne is the PIPELINE for new PvP players...

If you have a coherent rebuttal or counter-proposal, by all means STATE IT!

If u aren't capable of at least that, kindly keep quiet please. Thank You in advance

Kyne is a pipeline of zergling players who refuse to go to sotha or shor or Vivec because they can use their golded lowbey gear and pick on new players. That’s it.

In reality, that is the minority.. no reason to make big changes in game or develop to cater to them. The vast pool of potential PvP players get turned off to PvP totally by those few gold-geared rerollers on Kyne logging cross-faction alts to "farm" them.

Big part of why I'm requesting a timer...


For those saying the game is dead.. that doesn't matter if the devs still working on it.. they need to fix broken stuff.. (esp since they adding new content quite often)

Easy fix for this...

Make it so that if your "Account" has every had a character over 50 they aren't allowed into Kyne even if that character was deleted. Problem solved. Kyne will only be populated with beginner players. Once you have a character that caps out you cap out.

Easier fix, Remove the scaling for gear quality in Kyne.

Enkil

the longtime players can also help others learn and lead and recruit them.. it's when they prey on them that's the problem..

Just preventing all vet players from playing there is not a solution as that limits the opportunity to help teach them and gear them up.

Sanctum74

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

I'm guessing you're one of those people that says they only switch to play with their friends or for a challenge, but yet only play solo or on whatever side is winning. Just a coincidence hmmmmm

Jules

This would require a massive overhaul and please a small fraction while isolating a whole bunch of people from playing their characters they earned.

The game was released without this intent 5 years ago, and 5 years (and probably thousands of "faction lock" threads) later, they still are not budging on that. Can you not just be happy with playing and developing your own characters? Why is it so necessary to try to control how other people play?

Beardimus

Jules wrote: »

This would require a massive overhaul and please a small fraction while isolating a whole bunch of people from playing their characters they earned.

The game was released without this intent 5 years ago, and 5 years (and probably thousands of "faction lock" threads) later, they still are not budging on that. Can you not just be happy with playing and developing your own characters? Why is it so necessary to try to control how other people play?

Because people cheat, and that impacts how you play.

The calls for faction lock are not around any arbitary reasoning, its not because they want to control you or stop you having fun. It's to stop the player that use it for nefarious reasons that ruin the game for many of us and suck any legitimacy out of alliance loyalty and decent play.

Sure alot of folks don't care about that, but that impacts others.

To your point imagine if in a soccer game 5-0 half the losing team switch sides in the last 5 minutes because they want to win. Yep faction switching in any other game or sport would be ridiculous.

I appreciate your defence of how you want to play, but use that energy to solution a way to stop the cheats.

FYI you are also factually incorrect as faction lock used to be a thing.....

Beardimus

There is no legitimate reason NOT to allow a lock of at least 48-72 hours.

Or have faction locked campaigns if not all.

The playing with friends argument you can all toddle off to vivec or wherever is left unlocked.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler please, can we get sone insights into what you are doing on this front?

@ZOS_GinaBruno any nudge you can give?

Enkil

Jules wrote: »

This would require a massive overhaul and please a small fraction while isolating a whole bunch of people from playing their characters they earned.

The game was released without this intent 5 years ago, and 5 years (and probably thousands of "faction lock" threads) later, they still are not budging on that. Can you not just be happy with playing and developing your own characters? Why is it so necessary to try to control how other people play?

What/HUH???

Having played the game at launch/early release in 2014, I saw a game released with a total faction lock and severe restrictions on an account having cross-factions toons of any type.

I am in no way advocating going back to that.... don't want to control anyone... just want basic and minimal rules in place...

Anyone can play how they want, with basic understandable restrictions on hopping to opposing faction toons on SAME campaign window, SAME account. THIS IS EXPECTED and a norm in all MMOs. The dev's neglected to put the necessary timers in place to prevent this after shifting their development from PvP/PvE platform to a PvE/oneTamriel platform.

Please don't pretend or suggest this game was originally developed to be some PvP FFA with anyone able to hop on any toon any faction and distort any semblance of balance in PvP, at their whim. Nothing could be further form the truth.

No "massive overhaul" required. The timer mechanisms already exist as anyone that played since launch knows. They devs just neglected (or maybe forgot) to turn them back on.

Haashhtaag

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

I'm guessing you're one of those people that says they only switch to play with their friends or for a challenge, but yet only play solo or on whatever side is winning. Just a coincidence hmmmmm

I actually tend to play the weaker faction in campaigns as it gives us much more of a challenge.

Anrose

Enkil wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

This would require a massive overhaul and please a small fraction while isolating a whole bunch of people from playing their characters they earned.

The game was released without this intent 5 years ago, and 5 years (and probably thousands of "faction lock" threads) later, they still are not budging on that. Can you not just be happy with playing and developing your own characters? Why is it so necessary to try to control how other people play?

No "massive overhaul" required. The timer mechanisms already exist as anyone that played since launch knows. They devs just neglected (or maybe forgot) to turn them back on.

Or to be more correct: the devs turned them off and left them off on purpose. No neglect or forgetting involved.

frostz417

Nah

DeadlyRecluse

Jules wrote: »

The game was released without this intent 5 years ago.

While I agree with you (that there shouldn't be faction locks)....this isn't true. The first 3ish? years of this game had (an admittedly faulty and easy to bypass) faction lock.

Sanctum74

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Just freaking stop with the faction hopping threads. It’s not ruining campaigns or effecting anything. Oh boo hoo about a scroll on a dead campaign.

I'm guessing you're one of those people that says they only switch to play with their friends or for a challenge, but yet only play solo or on whatever side is winning. Just a coincidence hmmmmm

I actually tend to play the weaker faction in campaigns as it gives us much more of a challenge.

That's good to hear and I gives props to people that do that, but unfortunately the majority of people that swap only want to be on the winning side.

Personally I just want to see a somewhat balanced map with good fights for the health and longevity of the game.

There used to be so many good battles in this game, but now everyone just swaps to the winning side and triple zerg the map down. Not much fun in that for either side.

Miswar

There needs to be timer or lock on these hoppings.

The PS4 EU pvp is utter joke much thanks to this and there really no reason not to have locked campaign.

You can leave other open for these boosters, gloryhunters or whatever you call them.

Having said that the PvP is all but dead at the moment anyways thanks to been neglected for ages now.

esotoon

What do you think faction locking will achieve, when it can be circumvented so easily by just spending a few dollars and a few hours of time on a second, or third account? It’s not the panacea I think people are hoping for.

Ormtunge

esotoon wrote: »

What do you think faction locking will achieve, when it can be circumvented so easily by just spending a few dollars and a few hours of time on a second, or third account? It’s not the panacea I think people are hoping for.

I am still on a break from this game, but read this post and just had to replay (dont worry, probably wont happen again for about 6 monhts when I check if PVP got some love).

NOBODY EVER said that faction lock would solve all problems, but many of us pvpers think that it would make pvp BETTER, and isnt that what it is about? Come on, I for one want to be able to fight for the campaign, and not just farm ap. If that dont happen, I wont return. Some sort of faction lock and population regulator would make this possible in my oppinion. But NO simple solution would make pvp perfect, so people, please stop arguing like this...