Breton DPS

Olupajmibanan · February 2019

Weisstag wrote: »

So yeah ive done some additional testing and this was my best selfbuffed non-inflated by crit/minor vulnerability parse with blue food.
Gear - zaan/ms/bsw, 2x bloodthirsty 1x arcane, Thief mundus (thats how i do all of my testing)

I believe this is pretty decent proof that Bretons are above all under given circumstances (and id believe even better in raid environment since the sustain is brutal)

Actually, there is still inflation in your parse and that's Minor Berserk (sorry, you can't do anything with that

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But yeah, Breton is one of the top choices.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

pieratsos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

So when Bretons are on top by 500 DPS in 1 out of the 5 classes they are undisputedly the best race for everything, altmers suck and there is no reason to play anything else other than Breton. But when altmers are on top in 4 out 5 classes and they push a difference of 800 DPS in one of them, its data variance and altmers arent actually on top?

Do you legitimately try to make urself look stupid?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Strawman huh? All right buddy, you asked for it.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

You also created an entire thread named "can zos explain why altmer is the lowest magicka DPS". A thread that is based on parses showing on "average" (if you can actually call that an accurate representation of their average DPS) Breton being ahead by less than 500 DPS. A thread that is also filled with comments like "they are in the gutter".

And now when it comes altmers being ahead by 500DPS you are like

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

because you read something about data variance and you started parroting it around and posting it left right and centre trying to make urself look smart but the only thing you are doing is showing exactly how clueless you are.

First educate urself on what strawman means so u dont embarrass urself even further and then go actually play the game or do something else. You have no clue how to properly read parses and you sure as hell dont have a clue how data variance relates to those parses.

You're not arguing against anything I said because you don't have an argument that can trump fact. So you've resorted to putting words in my mouth. Again, you're arguing against a straw man.

pieratsos · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

So when Bretons are on top by 500 DPS in 1 out of the 5 classes they are undisputedly the best race for everything, altmers suck and there is no reason to play anything else other than Breton. But when altmers are on top in 4 out 5 classes and they push a difference of 800 DPS in one of them, its data variance and altmers arent actually on top?

Do you legitimately try to make urself look stupid?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Strawman huh? All right buddy, you asked for it.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

You also created an entire thread named "can zos explain why altmer is the lowest magicka DPS". A thread that is based on parses showing on "average" (if you can actually call that an accurate representation of their average DPS) Breton being ahead by less than 500 DPS. A thread that is also filled with comments like "they are in the gutter".

And now when it comes altmers being ahead by 500DPS you are like

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

because you read something about data variance and you started parroting it around and posting it left right and centre trying to make urself look smart but the only thing you are doing is showing exactly how clueless you are.

First educate urself on what strawman means so u dont embarrass urself even further and then go actually play the game or do something else. You have no clue how to properly read parses and you sure as hell dont have a clue how data variance relates to those parses.

You're not arguing against anything I said because you don't have an argument that can trump fact. So you've resorted to putting words in my mouth. Again, you're arguing against a straw man.

I literally quoted ur posts. They are literally there for everyone to see. You made an entire thread for that.
I am arguing against what you said and i didnt resort to anything other than use facts to trump ur arguments. The only thing u are doing however is grasping at straws. Moving the goalposts, changing subjects, spreading misinformation you name it. Because the reality is that facts did trump ur actual argument and you are just willing to do anything to save face.

Unfortunately for you however, you are just making things worse cause you dont have the knowledge to understand the topic you are discussing so instead of saving face, you are basically exposing urself.

Weisstag · February 2019

And this was supposed to be breton dps “compare results” type of thread 😂 anyways, i dont mind haha

Weisstag · February 2019

So i did a siroria parse and the difference is noticable, id guess that on 6m dummy you can get even higher

usmcjdking · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

This quote irks me because it's got very biased wording and not indicative of anything other than "NERF BRETON". Breton pulls the highest DPS because it has the best sustain : damage passive ratios.

validifyedneb18_ESO · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

So when Bretons are on top by 500 DPS in 1 out of the 5 classes they are undisputedly the best race for everything, altmers suck and there is no reason to play anything else other than Breton. But when altmers are on top in 4 out 5 classes and they push a difference of 800 DPS in one of them, its data variance and altmers arent actually on top?

Do you legitimately try to make urself look stupid?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I find it ironic that incorrectly calling something a straw man, is not unlike a strawman argument in of itself.

Mattock_Romulus · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

That's just random variation. There is no consistency at all between the parses due to how close they are, and one could be above the other at any random point.

DK: +433 (0.7%)
NB: -449 (0.7%)
Sorc: -219 (0.36%)
Temp: -6 (0.001%)

There is no statistically significant difference between them:

According this this Altmer will still be highest Dps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F0pIdxUyEY

Yamenstein · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

That's just random variation. There is no consistency at all between the parses due to how close they are, and one could be above the other at any random point.

DK: +433 (0.7%)
NB: -449 (0.7%)
Sorc: -219 (0.36%)
Temp: -6 (0.001%)

There is no statistically significant difference between them:

So?

I don't get it. Don't we all want the races to be equal when it comes to DPS? Especially for the races that are targeted towards DPS?

You're basically saying that Altmer should have highest DPS just because what ? They are known for being good with magic?

If race x and z all got around 1000DPS but and the break down of the fight is that race X had to do more heavy attacks to get more sustain, but those heavy attacks at the same time did more damage and all their abilities did more damage but race Z didn't do as much damage but had to do less heavies to gain back resources and then could dish out more attacks more consistently but for less damage. Then isn't that good ?

Racials shouldn't impact your game play so much you have to go change racials just to get into end game raids and such. Classes already do that. At least you can have 5, nearly 6, classes with multiple roles. Imagine trying to have a handle another variable like race where there are 10 on top of each class.

Ajax_22 · February 2019

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

That's just random variation. There is no consistency at all between the parses due to how close they are, and one could be above the other at any random point.

DK: +433 (0.7%)
NB: -449 (0.7%)
Sorc: -219 (0.36%)
Temp: -6 (0.001%)

There is no statistically significant difference between them:

You're basically saying that Altmer should have highest DPS just because what ? They are known for being good with magic?

He's not basically saying anything. He's actually said Altmer should be the top Magicka DPS, by a noticable margin, because of Elder Scrolls lore.

Minno · February 2019

Ajax_22 wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

That's just random variation. There is no consistency at all between the parses due to how close they are, and one could be above the other at any random point.

DK: +433 (0.7%)
NB: -449 (0.7%)
Sorc: -219 (0.36%)
Temp: -6 (0.001%)

There is no statistically significant difference between them:

You're basically saying that Altmer should have highest DPS just because what ? They are known for being good with magic?

He's not basically saying anything. He's actually said Altmer should be the top Magicka DPS, by a noticable margin, because of Elder Scrolls lore.

And they are, just by 500 DMG between them and the second place race lol.

Minno · February 2019

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

That's just random variation. There is no consistency at all between the parses due to how close they are, and one could be above the other at any random point.

DK: +433 (0.7%)
NB: -449 (0.7%)
Sorc: -219 (0.36%)
Temp: -6 (0.001%)

There is no statistically significant difference between them:

So?

I don't get it. Don't we all want the races to be equal when it comes to DPS? Especially for the races that are targeted towards DPS?

You're basically saying that Altmer should have highest DPS just because what ? They are known for being good with magic?

If race x and z all got around 1000DPS but and the break down of the fight is that race X had to do more heavy attacks to get more sustain, but those heavy attacks at the same time did more damage and all their abilities did more damage but race Z didn't do as much damage but had to do less heavies to gain back resources and then could dish out more attacks more consistently but for less damage. Then isn't that good ?

Racials shouldn't impact your game play so much you have to go change racials just to get into end game raids and such. Classes already do that. At least you can have 5, nearly 6, classes with multiple roles. Imagine trying to have a handle another variable like race where there are 10 on top of each class.

Remember that info is probably old. There's new parses showing Altmer on top, Breton second. So whatever he says is noise, distracting from bosmers discussing wanting something more lore friendly done to their last passive.