Breton DPS

Weisstag · February 2019

So ive been testing a bit on pts and i must say iam pretty impressed with breton. Here i have a parse with very basic, easy to obtain setup (ms/bsw/zaan) and as you can see, even with pts laggy environment the numbers are not that shabby. What were you able to pull on your magicka classes with the racial changes on 4.3.3 ?
Share the parses and setups so we can
compare.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Weisstag wrote: »

So ive been testing a bit on pts and i must say iam pretty impressed with breton. Here i have a parse with very basic, easy to obtain setup (ms/bsw/zaan) and as you can see, even with pts laggy environment the numbers are not that shabby. What were you able to pull on your magicka classes with the racial changes on 4.3.3 ?
Share the parses and setups so we can
compare.

Just look at this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

Weisstag · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Weisstag wrote: »

So ive been testing a bit on pts and i must say iam pretty impressed with breton. Here i have a parse with very basic, easy to obtain setup (ms/bsw/zaan) and as you can see, even with pts laggy environment the numbers are not that shabby. What were you able to pull on your magicka classes with the racial changes on 4.3.3 ?
Share the parses and setups so we can
compare.

Just look at this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

thanks !

Vermethys · February 2019

Bretons have always made decent magicka DDs, so I'm finding it interesting that people are considering them a possible option only after this PTS cycle. Of course, they will be even better to play after the changes go through because you can switch to blue food comfortably. I'm still not sure if you can sustain solo with blue food and berserker enchantment on the back-bar (instead of absorb magicka), so I'm curious to find out.

Here's a 6mil magNB parse with the current passives (live server) -- Gold food and shock enchantment (orbs and ele drain provided):

So, yeah, they've always been a decent choice. I just hope they don't become as common as Dark Elves currently are on every build that uses inferno staves.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

vermillion2077 wrote: »

Bretons have always made decent magicka DDs, so I'm finding it interesting that people are considering them a possible option only after this PTS cycle. Of course, they will be even better to play after the changes go through because you can switch to blue food comfortably. I'm still not sure if you can sustain solo with blue food and berserker enchantment on the back-bar (instead of absorb magicka), so I'm curious to find out.

You absolutely can. Hence why they're so strong on PTS right now.

With blue food and berserker enchant, they still have better sustain than any race using blue food + absorb glyph (or gold food + berserker).

heng14rwb17_ESO · February 2019

GO BRETON OR GO CRY !

Weisstag · February 2019

vermillion2077 wrote: »

Bretons have always made decent magicka DDs, so I'm finding it interesting that people are considering them a possible option only after this PTS cycle. Of course, they will be even better to play after the changes go through because you can switch to blue food comfortably. I'm still not sure if you can sustain solo with blue food and berserker enchantment on the back-bar (instead of absorb magicka), so I'm curious to find out.

Here's a 6mil magNB parse with the current passives (live server) -- Gold food and shock enchantment (orbs and ele drain provided):

So, yeah, they've always been a decent choice. I just hope they don't become as common as Dark Elves currently are on every build that uses inferno staves.

Well yes that is somewhat competetive dps but you wont outparse altmer/dunmer on live anyways, yet on pts you can do that and i find it very nice. I currently have altmer on live and even tho test have shown that they are basically equal in dps i still consider racechange just for sustain and higher mag/hp pool.

Yamenstein · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

That's just random variation. There is no consistency at all between the parses due to how close they are, and one could be above the other at any random point.

DK: +433 (0.7%)
NB: -449 (0.7%)
Sorc: -219 (0.36%)
Temp: -6 (0.001%)

There is no statistically significant difference between them:

Seraphayel · February 2019

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

Don't try to argue. His sentiment since PTS started was:

4.3 - Altmer no longer superior (proven wrong)
4.3.2 - Altmer worst Magicka DPS, Khajiit THE BEST (proven wrong)
4.3.3 - Breton THE BEST, Altmer sucks (proven wrong)

In 4.3.4 something will shift again and Altmer will suck as long as they are not performing a lot better than every other Magicka race.

Minalan · February 2019

It seems close enough, bitter altmer tears and overdramatic neckbeard cries of abject misery nonwithstanding.

validifyedneb18_ESO · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

validifyedneb18_ESO · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Seraphayel · February 2019

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

No but the data is corrupted and the differences are "too small" this time, that's why even if Altmer is the best parsing Magicka race for 4/5 classes Breton is still superior. You know, because of [reasons].

/s

Minno · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

lol dude those charts show 20-500 avg dmg difference in the racials. Even compared to non-race its only 2-3k dmg difference, meaning you can yolo an altmer stam warden and still feel good about your choice lol.

Unless you show comprehensive tests showing otherwise, I suggest zos to lock down the racials and release the patch already!

luen79rwb17_ESO · February 2019

Finally some balance around racials. Took ZoS too long and probably some heads in the process but at last they're moving on the right direction with these. No doubt some adjustments here and there but finally you can pick most of your favorite races and not feel completely useless.

Kulvar · February 2019

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Finally some balance around racials. Took ZoS too long and probably some heads in the process but at last they're moving on the right direction with these. No doubt some adjustments here and there but finally you can pick most of your favorite races and not feel completely useless.

We'll see with 4.3.4 if they balance or not.
Altmer, Breton, Dunmer, and Orc dominate as DPS while Bosmer and Argonian are weak.

grannas211 · February 2019

Minalan wrote: »

It seems close enough, bitter altmer tears and overdramatic neckbeard cries of abject misery nonwithstanding.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

Olupajmibanan · February 2019

Breton Magsorc - 6M skely parse, Elemental Drain and Orbs provided. Worm was present, but if you look at magicka consumption per second, it was mostly unnecesary. No other buffs have been provided. Flame enchant front bar, Berserker enchant backbar.

Minor Vulnerability uptime was of 85% so the parse is a little inflated. I don't know how high was uptime on Minor Vulnerability in the magNB parses posted above, but I assume it wasn't small because Shock enchant has been used.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

No but the data is corrupted and the differences are "too small" this time, that's why even if Altmer is the best parsing Magicka race for 4/5 classes Breton is still superior. You know, because of [reasons].

/s

Because of statistics. You can pretend that a difference of 6 DPS (0.001%) is significant, but it won't make it true.

idk · February 2019

vermillion2077 wrote: »

Bretons have always made decent magicka DDs, so I'm finding it interesting that people are considering them a possible option only after this PTS cycle. Of course, they will be even better to play after the changes go through because you can switch to blue food comfortably. I'm still not sure if you can sustain solo with blue food and berserker enchantment on the back-bar (instead of absorb magicka), so I'm curious to find out.

Here's a 6mil magNB parse with the current passives (live server) -- Gold food and shock enchantment (orbs and ele drain provided):
So, yeah, they've always been a decent choice. I just hope they don't become as common as Dark Elves currently are on every build that uses inferno staves.

Brettons have not been a bad choice on Live. They are just not meta but many raid for leaderboard runs on Brettons. Granted, most raid on Dunmers and High Elfs.

Weisstag · February 2019

So yeah ive done some additional testing and this was my best selfbuffed non-inflated by crit/minor vulnerability parse with blue food.
Gear - zaan/ms/bsw, 2x bloodthirsty 1x arcane, Thief mundus (thats how i do all of my testing)

I believe this is pretty decent proof that Bretons are above all under given circumstances (and id believe even better in raid environment since the sustain is brutal)

Ajax_22 · February 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

Don't try to argue. His sentiment since PTS started was:

4.3 - Altmer no longer superior (proven wrong)
4.3.2 - Altmer worst Magicka DPS, Khajiit THE BEST (proven wrong)
4.3.3 - Breton THE BEST, Altmer sucks (proven wrong)

In 4.3.4 something will shift again and Altmer will suck as long as they are not performing a lot better than every other Magicka race.

You forgot "The lore says Altmer must have the highest DPS." I believe that was in later 4.3.0 or early 4.3.1. Also "Altmer are now a hybrid race." that was in 4.3.2. I really can't wait to see what 4.3.4 brings us. Almost makes me wish Monday could come sooner.

pieratsos · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

So when Bretons are on top by 500 DPS in 1 out of the 5 classes they are undisputedly the best race for everything, altmers suck and there is no reason to play anything else other than Breton. But when altmers are on top in 4 out 5 classes and they push a difference of 800 DPS in one of them, its data variance and altmers arent actually on top?

Do you legitimately try to make urself look stupid?

rafaelcsmaia · February 2019

Ajax_22 wrote: »

You Almost makes me wish Monday could come sooner.

Nothing can make me look forward to Mondays lmao

Minno · February 2019

Ajax_22 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

I feel like you're simplifying the situation too much. From the tests I've seen Breton are only on top for Magicka dragonknights, and even then by only like 500dps.

Every other Magicka class has Altmer at top.

Sounds pretty good to me.

Don't try to argue. His sentiment since PTS started was:

4.3 - Altmer no longer superior (proven wrong)
4.3.2 - Altmer worst Magicka DPS, Khajiit THE BEST (proven wrong)
4.3.3 - Breton THE BEST, Altmer sucks (proven wrong)

In 4.3.4 something will shift again and Altmer will suck as long as they are not performing a lot better than every other Magicka race.

You forgot "The lore says Altmer must have the highest DPS." I believe that was in later 4.3.0 or early 4.3.1. Also "Altmer are now a hybrid race." that was in 4.3.2. I really can't wait to see what 4.3.4 brings us. Almost makes me wish Monday could come sooner.

Imperial here, my passives are better than yours, dirtyhigh elves lol. But don't worry, you'll get your revenge come 3rd era lol.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

pieratsos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

So when Bretons are on top by 500 DPS in 1 out of the 5 classes they are undisputedly the best race for everything, altmers suck and there is no reason to play anything else other than Breton. But when altmers are on top in 4 out 5 classes and they push a difference of 800 DPS in one of them, its data variance and altmers arent actually on top?

Do you legitimately try to make urself look stupid?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

pieratsos · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

So when Bretons are on top by 500 DPS in 1 out of the 5 classes they are undisputedly the best race for everything, altmers suck and there is no reason to play anything else other than Breton. But when altmers are on top in 4 out 5 classes and they push a difference of 800 DPS in one of them, its data variance and altmers arent actually on top?

Do you legitimately try to make urself look stupid?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Strawman huh? All right buddy, you asked for it.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

You also created an entire thread named "can zos explain why altmer is the lowest magicka DPS". A thread that is based on parses showing on "average" (if you can actually call that an accurate representation of their average DPS) Breton being ahead by less than 500 DPS. A thread that is also filled with comments like "they are in the gutter".

And now when it comes altmers being ahead by 500DPS you are like

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Breton is currently the strongest magicka DPS race after Khajiit were nerfed.

They pull the highest DPS and have the best sustain. They're in a great spot. There is no reason to pick any other race at the moment.

Wrong. And you damn well know it.

Stop spreading misinformation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458985/raid-buffed-dps-test-each-class-each-dd-race-pts-4-3-3/p1

You literally linked a thread that showed altmer had top dps for 4/5 classes. Did you intend to prove yourself wrong? Actually kind of confused why you even linked that as it proves me right.

Altmer will also pull ahead more and more as they get sustain from their groups, so you're more wrong than just that forum post alone shows.

Altmer is not top for any class. That's just data variance. None of those differences are statistically significant.

And those parses were done at optimal sustain levels (no heavy attacks). Additional sustain wouldn't increase their DPS.

because you read something about data variance and you started parroting it around and posting it left right and centre trying to make urself look smart but the only thing you are doing is showing exactly how clueless you are.

First educate urself on what strawman means so u dont embarrass urself even further and then go actually play the game or do something else. You have no clue how to properly read parses and you sure as hell dont have a clue how data variance relates to those parses.