50K DPS Infinite Sustain PTS Pet Sorc

codestripper

ezio45 wrote: »

How great, my non pet magsorc is gunna get nerfed again because of pet sorcs... Fantastic.....

All while non pet can barely sustain thru 2 rotations without help

Well I don't think that's the case, this is just making us competitive again in end game content. Still not at the level where other classes are but I'd say we're in about the right place. I don't see a need for ZOS to want to nerf us again.

Also, breton really helps this next patch for pure sorcs, you can do a full parse as one pretty successfully solo.

RebornV3x

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Petsorcs were all the rage when they were top DPS. Endgame will always run top DPS, not easiest DPS.

I'm just saying that petsorc shouldn't be top DPS because it's significantly easier to play than other builds. I'm not saying they;re top right now. I think being like 1-2k behind the top is good for balance.

Pet builds have only been viable for the past year or so I still remember the days I would get laughed at and kicked for bringing pets to a trial always glad to see pet sorcs doing competitive DPS numbers and for easy no if you want easy a non pet magicka sorc is probably easier pets are so wonky and the DPS isn't always constant especially in mobile fights where the boss moves around a lot.

Anyways Ive been meaning to farm mothers sorrow for awhile now I have the golden rings I bought from the vendor not to long ago and if I could pull even 40 or 45k dps with this then it would be worth it

firedrgn

ezio45 wrote: »

How great, my non pet magsorc is gunna get nerfed again because of pet sorcs... Fantastic.....

All while non pet can barely sustain thru 2 rotations without help

Why do you think this?

cpuScientist

themaddaedra wrote: »

I'm having big troubles swapping bars and dropping LL on PTS due to ping but managed to do a rather proper test on Altmer:



Tried to make some tests with Khajiit as well but got tired after quite some attempts. But Altmer looks slightly better atm.

Also want to try Breton and gold food for LA build but can't make it before live.

Try the Breton out with LA rotation. It should parse higher if it can sustain, which is all that really holds sorcs in general back. I am hoping breton will help with that.

Tannus15

Breton sorc is amazing for non pet.

I'm doing a full 6mil parse without support, no heavies, no sustain skill with witch mothers. It's sooooo refreshing after fighting sustain issues for so long.

ezio45

firedrgn wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

How great, my non pet magsorc is gunna get nerfed again because of pet sorcs... Fantastic.....

All while non pet can barely sustain thru 2 rotations without help

Why do you think this?

Which part? That magsorc will get nerfed? Because zos doesn't want people having infinite sustain. Showed that with Morrowind nerf. They also don't separate non pet sorcs and pet sorcs well.

firedrgn

ezio45 wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

How great, my non pet magsorc is gunna get nerfed again because of pet sorcs... Fantastic.....

All while non pet can barely sustain thru 2 rotations without help

Why do you think this?

Which part? That magsorc will get nerfed? Because zos doesn't want people having infinite sustain. Showed that with Morrowind nerf. They also don't separate non pet sorcs and pet sorcs well.

It just means a heavy attack rotation. Its not really infinate sustian , not in a way that does you any good in regards to dps. It can be used for utility but thats about it.

ecru

Is this the old braindead heavy attack rotation?

If so, good for sorcs (if you like that sort of thing), but man was that boring to play. Honestly I think this is probably a bit overtuned considering how simple it is to play, and when this is possible you're basically giving the middle finger to sorcs who want to play without a pet but also want to do great dps with good sustain.

Excelsus wrote: »

I don't really understand the notion of easy vs hard rotations and why easy rotations should do less dps. This came up during the werewolf pts as well and the only argument I heard was from... delicate people feeling offended that werewolves were in range of their tendinitus inducing NB rotations. I don't get it, are you worried there wont be enough barriers to keep 'lesser' players from getting the same achievements as you? Because thats what boss mechanics are for, an easy rotation doesn't make the twins or st olms any easier it just allows people with high ping, disabilities or bad computers to get similar damage. Easy rotations dont lower the skill floor of the game or take away from your commitment to muscle memory they just increase accessability and promote diversity in the game. I guess I just dont understand the delicate pride behind dps parses. Parses don't beat content, skill and teamwork does and those are qualities people should take pride in showing off... ideally with their shiny new pet sorc overlords!

Reward should be equal to risk and effort. For example, playing melee should generally result in higher dps, because melee has higher risk and requires more effort with more movement. I don't think the magblade rotation is especially complicated, but it's reliance on bow procs does become difficult to deal with as you start dropping light attacks during a raid that you wouldn't while parsing or in a dungeon due to lag, and the inherent sustain issues in some trials (vAS+2) that a petsorc heavy attacking every other bar swap won't have.

Saint314Louis1985

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

codestripper

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Morgul667

codestripper wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Are pets ok in trials now? I dropped them a while ago because of the mage in vaa and so on

I know they inprove pets but do they actually create lightings strikes from the mage or it was removed?l and i can give them a new try?

Morgul667

codestripper wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Do you lose a lot of dps if remove crystal and replace it with inner light or a shield?

Tannus15

Morgul667 wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Are pets ok in trials now? I dropped them a while ago because of the mage in vaa and so on

I know they inprove pets but do they actually create lightings strikes from the mage or it was removed?l and i can give them a new try?

pets are fine in trials now. they are immortal and untargetable and don't steal buffs and now they inherit your buffs.

codestripper

Morgul667 wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Are pets ok in trials now? I dropped them a while ago because of the mage in vaa and so on

I know they inprove pets but do they actually create lightings strikes from the mage or it was removed?l and i can give them a new try?

They fixed the mage chain lighting, the warrior Starfall, and St Olms lightning storm. They are viable in all trial content again yes

DarkPicture

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Yea its so hard to put liquid, blockade, deadric pray, press voliatle pet and do heavy attack. Hardcor build

codestripper

Browart wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Yea its so hard to put liquid, blockade, deadric pray, press voliatle pet and do heavy attack. Hardcor build

Can't tell if you're joking or not but I mean, what you just described is basically a non pet sorc without a spammable yeah? Minus the pet. Of course you still have to keep up with Crystal frags and time all of your animation cancels properly so......I mean....yeah it's pretty much the same. Honestly I find spammable rotations easier in content, you just have a lot more mobility. Coming from someone who plays both frequently. I'd like to see your numbers on a pet sorc to show us how easy it is lol

You guys all act like I just put skills on a bar and achieve 50k, I put a lot of effort into the rotation and gear/cp research. It took me weeks to get the rotation down as solid as I have it, that's just condescending .

NupidStoob

codestripper wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Are pets ok in trials now? I dropped them a while ago because of the mage in vaa and so on

I know they inprove pets but do they actually create lightings strikes from the mage or it was removed?l and i can give them a new try?

They fixed the mage chain lighting, the warrior Starfall, and St Olms lightning storm. They are viable in all trial content again yes

The AOE stun from the familiar can still mess up any fight where adds need to be chained. Twins is probably the place where it hurts the most.

zaria

firedrgn wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

How great, my non pet magsorc is gunna get nerfed again because of pet sorcs... Fantastic.....

All while non pet can barely sustain thru 2 rotations without help

Why do you think this?

Which part? That magsorc will get nerfed? Because zos doesn't want people having infinite sustain. Showed that with Morrowind nerf. They also don't separate non pet sorcs and pet sorcs well.

It just means a heavy attack rotation. Its not really infinate sustian , not in a way that does you any good in regards to dps. It can be used for utility but thats about it.

This, pet sorc uses HA as spamable this equal infinite sustain. Has to test this on my Altmer.
How would the scamp work?
Using the twilight for healing, on the other hand after loosing the shield sorcerer healer is not fun anymore.
Anyway this is interesting.

NupidStoob

Morgul667 wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Do you lose a lot of dps if remove crystal and replace it with inner light or a shield?

You and your group (if you are the only sorc) lose minor prophecy which is 10% spellcrit. Doubt it hurts much if another sorc uses it, but if you are the only one you do your group no favours.

Lord-Otto

Think neither pet nor non-pet are super difficult rotations if you're using static ones. However, I find the heavy attack on a pet sorc very unpleasant to properly "weave" without time loss.

Morgul667

codestripper wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Raid parse May still be lower than other builds due to lack or fire dmg (which is buffed by engulfing) and that your solo parse already uses lightning wall.

That may be, but here is a recent self-buffed I just did with the shadow (non-infinite sustain)


So....idk I think we're going to be in a pretty good place nonetheless next patch

Are pets ok in trials now? I dropped them a while ago because of the mage in vaa and so on

I know they inprove pets but do they actually create lightings strikes from the mage or it was removed?l and i can give them a new try?

They fixed the mage chain lighting, the warrior Starfall, and St Olms lightning storm. They are viable in all trial content again yes

Ok thanks

codestripper

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Think neither pet nor non-pet are super difficult rotations if you're using static ones. However, I find the heavy attack on a pet sorc very unpleasant to properly "weave" without time loss.

I agree, it all really just comes down to personal preference at the end of the day. This just suits my play style better than it might suit others. I play pretty much every magicka DPS in the book including a classless mag dps, I just prefer having self-sustain and well....I love pets, i use them in all MMOs lol

Lord-Otto

codestripper wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Think neither pet nor non-pet are super difficult rotations if you're using static ones. However, I find the heavy attack on a pet sorc very unpleasant to properly "weave" without time loss.

I agree, it all really just comes down to personal preference at the end of the day. This just suits my play style better than it might suit others. I play pretty much every magicka DPS in the book including a classless mag dps, I just prefer having self-sustain and well....I love pets, i use them in all MMOs lol

Breathing or undead ones?
>;3

codestripper

Lord-Otto wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Think neither pet nor non-pet are super difficult rotations if you're using static ones. However, I find the heavy attack on a pet sorc very unpleasant to properly "weave" without time loss.

I agree, it all really just comes down to personal preference at the end of the day. This just suits my play style better than it might suit others. I play pretty much every magicka DPS in the book including a classless mag dps, I just prefer having self-sustain and well....I love pets, i use them in all MMOs lol

Breathing or undead ones?
>;3

Yes ^.^

Lord-Otto

codestripper wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Think neither pet nor non-pet are super difficult rotations if you're using static ones. However, I find the heavy attack on a pet sorc very unpleasant to properly "weave" without time loss.

I agree, it all really just comes down to personal preference at the end of the day. This just suits my play style better than it might suit others. I play pretty much every magicka DPS in the book including a classless mag dps, I just prefer having self-sustain and well....I love pets, i use them in all MMOs lol

Breathing or undead ones?
>;3

Yes ^.^

xD

themaddaedra

Browart wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Yea its so hard to put liquid, blockade, deadric pray, press voliatle pet and do heavy attack. Hardcor build

Thanks for this extremely useful comment, would be lovely if you attached a valid strong petsorc parse of your own into that.

Zeioja

With the change to the destro staff passive have you tested running a metor morph in place of the destro ult, or do you find you use the destro ult too frequently to drop it?

FireBreathingNord

@codestripper

You no longer need Elemental Rage to get the passives - having a staff will suffice. Perhaps switch Elemental Rage for Ice Comet for more magicka and potentially more DPS.

codestripper

FireBreathingNord wrote: »

@codestripper

You no longer need Elemental Rage to get the passives - having a staff will suffice. Perhaps switch Elemental Rage for Ice Comet for more magicka and potentially more DPS.

I use the destro ult because I use it in content. I do parses with my content setup.

Zeioja

That's fine; as a console player I am just doing research.

I was very pleased to see you running the exact same loadout I planned on. Still learned a few things and may change/test a few, but overall this thread has been a big sigh of relief for me personally.

Thanks!