50K DPS Infinite Sustain PTS Pet Sorc

codestripper

Don't you love what a little fixed sets and pets can get you:


Build:


Also, the twilight tormentor is broken right now, so the DPS could potentially be higher if you were to add cheese to the cheese.

BadShogun

Wrong mundus for a raid group though. Nice to show what nearly full spell pen can do however.

Would like to see you test with a different mundus - mage, thief.

codestripper

BadShogun wrote: »

Wrong mundus for a raid group though. Nice to show what nearly full spell pen can do however.

Would like to see you test with a different mundus - mage, thief.

hmm, haven't tried with the infinite sustain rotation yet. But here is a parse I did for trial settings, keep in mind these are all self-buffed so that pen is with ele drain applied:

Transairion

Nice dummy test for sure, but I wouldn't call 13k HP (with +HP food mind you) and no Ward/shield a terribly realistic build. I am a scrub for sure but my MagDK only has around that level of HP and I feel like paper when shields are down


In theory while PTS Twilight Tormentor is bugged (the +50% damage active isn't working?) the Matriach will put out the same DPS while having a heal, and even when fixed Tormentor's damage boost only works for half an encounter so I don't consider it worth slotting yet: it's certainly better than before at least where it had nothing going for it at all.

codestripper

Transairion wrote: »

Nice dummy test for sure, but I wouldn't call 13k HP (with +HP food mind you) and no Ward/shield a terribly realistic build. I am a scrub for sure but my MagDK only has around that level of HP and I feel like paper when shields are down


In theory while PTS Twilight Tormentor is bugged (the +50% damage active isn't working?) the Matriach will put out the same DPS while having a heal, and even when fixed Tormentor's damage boost only works for half an encounter so I don't consider it worth slotting yet: it's certainly better than before at least where it had nothing going for it at all.

oh sorry, no i took that screenshot without food on, my actual health is over 20k (as you can see in the parse my max magicka is also much higher). Also, I run without a shield right now on live in trials. I don't have many problems staying alive with the twilight matriarch.

I'll fix the screenshots tomorrow.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Holy moly those heavy attacks.

Would be interesting to see the magic in out

codestripper

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Holy moly those heavy attacks.

Would be interesting to see the magic in out

By mag in out do you mean the regens vs the drain? if so that is actually in the parse near the top:
1567 regen/s vs 1567 drain/s resulting in infinite sustain.

MLGProPlayer

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

themaddaedra

I'm having big troubles swapping bars and dropping LL on PTS due to ping but managed to do a rather proper test on Altmer:



Tried to make some tests with Khajiit as well but got tired after quite some attempts. But Altmer looks slightly better atm.

Also want to try Breton and gold food for LA build but can't make it before live.

themaddaedra

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Derra

what about the tormentor is broken?

MLGProPlayer

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Petsorcs were all the rage when they were top DPS. Endgame will always run top DPS, not easiest DPS.

I'm just saying that petsorc shouldn't be top DPS because it's significantly easier to play than other builds. I'm not saying they;re top right now. I think being like 1-2k behind the top is good for balance.

themaddaedra

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Petsorcs were all the rage when they were top DPS. Endgame will always run top DPS, not easiest DPS.

I'm just saying that petsorc shouldn't be top DPS because it's significantly easier to play than other builds.

It simply isn't lol. Maybe for fights where you don't have to move but that's all. It's not any easier apart from that.

Feanor

I'd start with Zaan being not overly realistic in most scenarios...

codestripper

Feanor wrote: »

I'd start with Zaan being not overly realistic in most scenarios...

Except I use it on a daily basis in my core group....I'm not really sure who started this false notion that you can't use Zaan's in hardcore trial content but it's kind of getting ridiculous. Thinking about it I can only really think of a few bosses where you can't use it.

vAS - St Olms
vAA - Mage
...I'm really having trouble thinking of more

Dracane

@Derra I have talked about it in another topic. The Twilight Tormentor's 50% damage to healthy targets is not working at the moment. It deals no extra damage at all.

codestripper

themaddaedra wrote: »

I'm having big troubles swapping bars and dropping LL on PTS due to ping but managed to do a rather proper test on Altmer:



Tried to make some tests with Khajiit as well but got tired after quite some attempts. But Altmer looks slightly better atm.

Also want to try Breton and gold food for LA build but can't make it before live.

This is the highest I've been able to get on khajiit, albeit with the lover still but:

Aalahk

Thanks for posting this, @codestripper. I only have one character and it's an altmer Pet Sorc. For a long time I couldn't break 25k DPS self-buffed. I followed guides and I was able to eventually push 30k.

In the last month or so, playing around with gear, CP and sets I've managed to push around 37 - 38k self-buffed with a very similar set-up to your (I have a backbar vMA inferno staff - the lightning one eludes me). I found that Necropotence and Mother's Sorrow have been the best combination for me by far.

I appreciate you posting your build; it's great to see that the ceiling for damage is limited by my own skill and it's great to see what's possible. If you have any additional tips on how you managed to start breaking 40k and above, I'd love to hear them.

codestripper

Aalahk wrote: »

Thanks for posting this, @codestripper. I only have one character and it's an altmer Pet Sorc. For a long time I couldn't break 25k DPS self-buffed. I followed guides and I was able to eventually push 30k.

In the last month or so, playing around with gear, CP and sets I've managed to push around 37 - 38k self-buffed with a very similar set-up to your (I have a backbar vMA inferno staff - the lightning one eludes me). I found that Necropotence and Mother's Sorrow have been the best combination for me by far.

I appreciate you posting your build; it's great to see that the ceiling for damage is limited by my own skill and it's great to see what's possible. If you have any additional tips on how you managed to start breaking 40k and above, I'd love to hear them.

It really just comes down to rotation and finding one that works for you. Right now on live I pull about 45k DPS on my pet sorc with the following rotation:

Liquid Lightning > la > Blockade > swap > ha > Daedric Prey > ha > Volitile Familiar > swap > la > repeat

On the PTS I'm using this rotation:

Liquid Lightning > la > Blockade > swap > ha > Daedric Prey > la > Volitile Familiar > swap > la > repeat

Each of these while casting frags whenever it procs. If you want infinite sustain use the top rotation, if you want a little more DPS use the bottom rotation. I'm not saying that these are the best rotations on the market but they sure work for me just fine.

codestripper

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Petsorcs were all the rage when they were top DPS. Endgame will always run top DPS, not easiest DPS.

I'm just saying that petsorc shouldn't be top DPS because it's significantly easier to play than other builds. I'm not saying they;re top right now. I think being like 1-2k behind the top is good for balance.

I'd just like to point out one thing, in order to get this high of DPS in the first place we as pet sorcs need to sacrifice our shields an healing (besides the matriarch). So.....yeah no I'd say it's more than balanced. In most trial content I can get away with only running the bird, but sometimes I'll need to swap in a shield or power surge. Every other class has the ability to heal / shield and do higher damage. If you ask me we're still not at the level we should be, but very close to it.

In terms of "too easy to play" please feel free to post your pet sorc parses here for us so we can see how easy it is to play, It's not like I've spent weeks putting in time and effort to research the build and practice rotations or anything...Not to mention this is a dynamic rotation much like nightblades have with our crystal frags proc, If anything I would consider most other classes to be much easier as they also don't have to worry about controlling their pets.

In order to play a pet sorc at a high level and to score push it takes much more effort than most classes, go see for yourself if you don't believe me. I just do it because I have fun with it.

themaddaedra

codestripper wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

I'm having big troubles swapping bars and dropping LL on PTS due to ping but managed to do a rather proper test on Altmer:



Tried to make some tests with Khajiit as well but got tired after quite some attempts. But Altmer looks slightly better atm.

Also want to try Breton and gold food for LA build but can't make it before live.

This is the highest I've been able to get on khajiit, albeit with the lover still but:

Still looks impressive. Pity that i have to do most of my testing on live

Aalahk

codestripper wrote: »

I'm not saying that these are the best rotations on the market but they sure work for me just fine.

That made me laugh. You're hitting 50k!

Thanks for taking the time to respond - I really appreciate it. I'm using a similar rotation so it looks like I have some work to do to perfect it.

Ranger209

What kind of Cp setup are you running? I run the same gear aside from zaan. Our stats are virtually the same except I run thief and have a bit more crit and a bit less pen. Have looked at 4 or 5 other parse vids running the exact same gear as me with virtually same stats. What I see in my parse though is that my average damage on abilities is always significantly lower than what you and others have. Light attacks are obvious as I am stuck on the last boss in vet maelstrom, but all the others I am always 10 to 20 percent lower on average hit, even when my crits are landing at a higher rate than what I am seeing in screenshots and videos. Is there anything other than CP that I am missing that can make this difference? Not even looking at dps yet and tidying up rotation. No point when I am on average hitting 10 to 20 percent less per attack, need to fix that first.

codestripper

Ranger209 wrote: »

What kind of Cp setup are you running? I run the same gear aside from zaan. Our stats are virtually the same except I run thief and have a bit more crit and a bit less pen. Have looked at 4 or 5 other parse vids running the exact same gear as me with virtually same stats. What I see in my parse though is that my average damage on abilities is always significantly lower than what you and others have. Light attacks are obvious as I am stuck on the last boss in vet maelstrom, but all the others I am always 10 to 20 percent lower on average hit, even when my crits are landing at a higher rate than what I am seeing in screenshots and videos. Is there anything other than CP that I am missing that can make this difference? Not even looking at dps yet and tidying up rotation. No point when I am on average hitting 10 to 20 percent less per attack, need to fix that first.

If you want, go ahead and give me your full build including enchants and traits, as well as your CP and rotation. A SuperStar and Combat Metrics screenshot like I provided above would be sufficient to investigate. I would need to see exactly what you're doing in order to try to diagnose what the issue is.

BTW - My CP is in the 2nd screenshot over to the right.

Edit: ALSO, if you're on PC/NA and want some help in-game I can do that too.

Excelsus

I don't really understand the notion of easy vs hard rotations and why easy rotations should do less dps. This came up during the werewolf pts as well and the only argument I heard was from... delicate people feeling offended that werewolves were in range of their tendinitus inducing NB rotations. I don't get it, are you worried there wont be enough barriers to keep 'lesser' players from getting the same achievements as you? Because thats what boss mechanics are for, an easy rotation doesn't make the twins or st olms any easier it just allows people with high ping, disabilities or bad computers to get similar damage. Easy rotations dont lower the skill floor of the game or take away from your commitment to muscle memory they just increase accessability and promote diversity in the game. I guess I just dont understand the delicate pride behind dps parses. Parses don't beat content, skill and teamwork does and those are qualities people should take pride in showing off... ideally with their shiny new pet sorc overlords!

OolongSnakeTea

codestripper wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Petsorcs were all the rage when they were top DPS. Endgame will always run top DPS, not easiest DPS.

I'm just saying that petsorc shouldn't be top DPS because it's significantly easier to play than other builds. I'm not saying they;re top right now. I think being like 1-2k behind the top is good for balance.

I'd just like to point out one thing, in order to get this high of DPS in the first place we as pet sorcs need to sacrifice our shields an healing (besides the matriarch). So.....yeah no I'd say it's more than balanced. In most trial content I can get away with only running the bird, but sometimes I'll need to swap in a shield or power surge. Every other class has the ability to heal / shield and do higher damage. If you ask me we're still not at the level we should be, but very close to it.

In terms of "too easy to play" please feel free to post your pet sorc parses here for us so we can see how easy it is to play, It's not like I've spent weeks putting in time and effort to research the build and practice rotations or anything...Not to mention this is a dynamic rotation much like nightblades have with our crystal frags proc, If anything I would consider most other classes to be much easier as they also don't have to worry about controlling their pets.

In order to play a pet sorc at a high level and to score push it takes much more effort than most classes, go see for yourself if you don't believe me. I just do it because I have fun with it.

Don't forget the biggest grievance with playing a pet sorc, is someone QQIng about pet stuns, so it also takes timing and skill when you run with the scamp, and using your puse on trash after the group is stacked. Or learnig to turn your pets off of targets and move them around with your heavy or the Y-clicks.

So it's ceiling to floor learning curve, is fairly balanced in deed. Sorc in general, eve on the stamina end and pure sorc end feel about equal in terms of intro and then level of mastery. Where as playing a night blade is master challenge from the start with little room for error. I am glad for a class like a sorc in the long run to get people into learning harder classes, harder content and feeling strong about their play when they learn the game.

firedrgn

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why petsorcs shouldn't have competitive DPS to the very top heavy hitters. They are just too easy to play.

Other classes (and sorc builds) need to work their asses off for comparable numbers.

That’s the most ridiculous cliche ESO has seen over years. It's something only those who have no idea would say.

I've been part of hardcore raiding in ESO for years, played stamblade, magblade, petsorc, non-pet sorc, stamplar, magplar and healer. Petsorc is not easier than any other. It sometimes is even harder with the movement disadvantage while heavy attacking.

Also, just by looking at petsorc numbers in endgame you can say that cliche is not correct. If it had any, i mean any advantage over others people would run it. Meta is no joke.

Petsorcs were all the rage when they were top DPS. Endgame will always run top DPS, not easiest DPS.

I'm just saying that petsorc shouldn't be top DPS because it's significantly easier to play than other builds. I'm not saying they;re top right now. I think being like 1-2k behind the top is good for balance.

Do you play a pet sorc?

cheifsoap

Excelsus wrote: »

I don't really understand the notion of easy vs hard rotations and why easy rotations should do less dps. This came up during the werewolf pts as well and the only argument I heard was from... delicate people feeling offended that werewolves were in range of their tendinitus inducing NB rotations. I don't get it, are you worried there wont be enough barriers to keep 'lesser' players from getting the same achievements as you? Because thats what boss mechanics are for, an easy rotation doesn't make the twins or st olms any easier it just allows people with high ping, disabilities or bad computers to get similar damage. Easy rotations dont lower the skill floor of the game or take away from your commitment to muscle memory they just increase accessability and promote diversity in the game. I guess I just dont understand the delicate pride behind dps parses. Parses don't beat content, skill and teamwork does and those are qualities people should take pride in showing off... ideally with their shiny new pet sorc overlords!

Oh come on. Yeah you do, we all know why the infamous e-peen is so important to some people, we're just polite enough not to talk about it in public.

Odovacar

Oh and im on console...so i have to waiiiiitttt.... I cant wait to test my sorc now! I can never get past 40-41 on her.

firedrgn

cheifsoap wrote: »

Excelsus wrote: »

I don't really understand the notion of easy vs hard rotations and why easy rotations should do less dps. This came up during the werewolf pts as well and the only argument I heard was from... delicate people feeling offended that werewolves were in range of their tendinitus inducing NB rotations. I don't get it, are you worried there wont be enough barriers to keep 'lesser' players from getting the same achievements as you? Because thats what boss mechanics are for, an easy rotation doesn't make the twins or st olms any easier it just allows people with high ping, disabilities or bad computers to get similar damage. Easy rotations dont lower the skill floor of the game or take away from your commitment to muscle memory they just increase accessability and promote diversity in the game. I guess I just dont understand the delicate pride behind dps parses. Parses don't beat content, skill and teamwork does and those are qualities people should take pride in showing off... ideally with their shiny new pet sorc overlords!

Oh come on. Yeah you do, we all know why the infamous e-peen is so important to some people, we're just polite enough not to talk about it in public.

Lol i love playing pet sorcs just to hear the baby seals cry. I drink thier tears.

ezio45

How great, my non pet magsorc is gunna get nerfed again because of pet sorcs... Fantastic.....

All while non pet can barely sustain thru 2 rotations without help