Why no dev comments on Khajiit 4.3.3 changes?

Austinseph1

Interesting

Cloudless

Elwendryll wrote: »

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

Well even if it isn't intended it's a nerf to anything that doesn't have a 75% crit chance self buffed. Fantastic :-/
And the only people using the shadow in pvp are gankers. This is clearly a case of nerfing something for pvp because of some stupid reason in pve. Essentially nerfing a entire race cause a mundus maby 10% of people will use is 0.X % then another race which also has a slightly better sustain. Makes totally sense I hope ZOS isn't crazy enough to let this go live

It was sad to see all the overreactions from altmers, it's even sadder when it comes from fellow khajiit players. It will be all fine. And khajiits are even more unique like that, because you can't get raw crit damage from sets (I mean, outside of buffs).

Khajiit will have to change how they build, that's all.

Yup. No need to worry this much.

CP5

Elwendryll wrote: »

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

Well even if it isn't intended it's a nerf to anything that doesn't have a 75% crit chance self buffed. Fantastic :-/
And the only people using the shadow in pvp are gankers. This is clearly a case of nerfing something for pvp because of some stupid reason in pve. Essentially nerfing a entire race cause a mundus maby 10% of people will use is 0.X % then another race which also has a slightly better sustain. Makes totally sense I hope ZOS isn't crazy enough to let this go live

It was sad to see all the overreactions from altmers, it's even sadder when it comes from fellow khajiit players. It will be all fine. And khajiits are even more unique like that, because you can't get raw crit damage from sets (I mean, outside of buffs).

Khajiit will have to change how they build, that's all.

But that was one of the things that made the race interesting, now they are just like every other race building for exactly the same things, worse is that if they don't conform they will be hit harder than the other races as well.

John_Falstaff

@Elwendryll , @Cloudless , no. Khajiit will be shoehorned into current AY meta on stamina, and on magicka, there's simply no good build that lets them utilize their crit damage, because magicka has lower crit on average.

Cloudless

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Elwendryll , @Cloudless , no. Khajiit will be shoehorned into current AY meta on stamina, and on magicka, there's simply no good build that lets them utilize their crit damage, because magicka has lower crit on average.

Uhm. My magicka cat has 77.5% spell critical on live right now, doesn't really strike me as low.

templesus

Cloudless wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Elwendryll , @Cloudless , no. Khajiit will be shoehorned into current AY meta on stamina, and on magicka, there's simply no good build that lets them utilize their crit damage, because magicka has lower crit on average.

Uhm. My magicka cat has 77.5% spell critical on live right now, doesn't really strike me as low.

Mind posting a 6mil parse with that 77.5% crit build?

Edziu

Elwendryll wrote: »

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

Well even if it isn't intended it's a nerf to anything that doesn't have a 75% crit chance self buffed. Fantastic :-/
And the only people using the shadow in pvp are gankers. This is clearly a case of nerfing something for pvp because of some stupid reason in pve. Essentially nerfing a entire race cause a mundus maby 10% of people will use is 0.X % then another race which also has a slightly better sustain. Makes totally sense I hope ZOS isn't crazy enough to let this go live

It was sad to see all the overreactions from altmers, it's even sadder when it comes from fellow khajiit players. It will be all fine. And khajiits are even more unique like that, because you can't get raw crit damage from sets (I mean, outside of buffs).

Khajiit will have to change how they build, that's all.

when it comes from fellow khajiit players it is because most of them was not forced to run meta to be efficient and have still fun of this while not doing top damage

thank to this change these non-meta builds we can all of thel just throw to trash and delete one of last remains of diversity in builds

now literally every stam dd will have same setup, same look, same everything! the only difference will be with few class skills colour, comsetic: dk green, stamden also green, nb red, templar yellow and sorc blue - this would be the only difference between stam classes, thank you very much!

Cloudless

templesus wrote: »

Cloudless wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Elwendryll , @Cloudless , no. Khajiit will be shoehorned into current AY meta on stamina, and on magicka, there's simply no good build that lets them utilize their crit damage, because magicka has lower crit on average.

Uhm. My magicka cat has 77.5% spell critical on live right now, doesn't really strike me as low.

Mind posting a 6mil parse with that 77.5% crit build?

Thanks but no thanks, I honestly play to have fun and comparing DPS sizes on the forums sounds like anything but fun to me (emphasis on "to me", guess some people really enjoy that sort of stuff).
I'm using Burning spellweave, Mother's sorrow, and Zaan*. Pretty basic/relatively easy-to-obtain sets for magicka builds, as far as I know. My point being: magicka builds may have a lower critical rating than stamina builds as a general rule, but it's not like these racial changes are going to make it impossible to play a magicka-based Khajiit and still successfully benefit from that extra critical damage.

*guess I should've mentioned Inner Light and the Thief stone too?

karthrag_inak

I'd like to see something showing a khajiit with 77.5% magicka crit on live right now. sounds like b.s. to me.

Steelshiv

Zypheran wrote: »

It seems to me that a lot of differing opinion is out there on what the Khajiit changes in 4.3.3 mean. I just think that the change was significant enough in approach to merit some comment from the devs as to why they moved the goal post on this one.
This would be an example of where improved communication would give the community a better sense of appreciation for the objectives that the dev team are trying to effect.
Please consider going back to the natch potes thread and adding a brief comment on these changes. It would diffuse much of the confusion arising from so many different opinions on what these changes mean for overall Khajiit dps.

They didn't and won't comment on the mostly unpopular Altmer change so I don't think they'll comment on the Khajiit change either.

Cloudless

karthrag_inak wrote: »

I'd like to see something showing a khajiit with 77.5% magicka crit on live right now. sounds like b.s. to me.

That I can provide.

John_Falstaff

@Cloudless , your crit may not strike you as low, but you wouldn't share your parse so I could judge if it strikes me as low or not. Okay. ^^ Fact is, you're nerfing yourself by having crit so high on magicka, too much stuff to sacrifice for that.

karthrag_inak

Cloudless wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

I'd like to see something showing a khajiit with 77.5% magicka crit on live right now. sounds like b.s. to me.

That I can provide.

dang. i stand corrected. ty.

Jhalin

Cloudless wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

I'd like to see something showing a khajiit with 77.5% magicka crit on live right now. sounds like b.s. to me.

That I can provide.

The sad part is, you’re still gonna be hit with a nerf at those numbers

That 77.5% drops down to 69.5% which is below the breakeven point of 75%

The iffy regen and health numbers are still a concern but congrats on the buff for that build

Cloudless

Jhalin wrote: »

Cloudless wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

I'd like to see something showing a khajiit with 77.5% magicka crit on live right now. sounds like b.s. to me.

That I can provide.

The sad part is, you’re still gonna be hit with a nerf at those numbers

That 77.5% drops down to 69.5% which is below the breakeven point of 75%

Uhm... Khajiit on the live server right now have +8% weapon critical, not spell critical. That number isn't going to change.

HuawaSepp

That's an old live dummy parse with altmer.
Why is around 75% crit not good?
I think just everyone has about the same dps on magblade with a proper setup. The difference between the setups is not worth mentioning.
I used Mothers Sorrow and Siroria for this parse.

Jhalin

Cloudless wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Cloudless wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

I'd like to see something showing a khajiit with 77.5% magicka crit on live right now. sounds like b.s. to me.

That I can provide.

The sad part is, you’re still gonna be hit with a nerf at those numbers

That 77.5% drops down to 69.5% which is below the breakeven point of 75%

Uhm... Khajiit on the live server right now have +8% weapon critical, not spell critical. That number isn't going to change.

My mistake then