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Time stop
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And what about PvE? This is a staple for PvE tanks for crowd control. As for a tower...if you were running into a tower farm...what do you expect? Tower farms are ALWAYS FULL OF AOEs. No, both your proposed nerfs and what they are actually doing with it make this skill worthless. They may as well remove it entirely and give us a new Psyijiic skill if that is their intention.
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Rescue78✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you can't figure out how to avoid timestop in PVP maybe you should uninstall the game instead of crying for nerfs 24/7.8 -
montiferus✭✭✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you can't figure out how to avoid timestop in PVP maybe you should uninstall the game instead of crying for nerfs 24/7.
do you small scale pvp?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you can't figure out how to avoid timestop in PVP maybe you should uninstall the game instead of crying for nerfs 24/7.
You should learn to small scale2 -
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Yea so it hasn’t been nerfed.
That was nearly 3 years ago and with removal of aoe caps/5x to staves and the additional high damage sets the loss is minimal
It will still chunk players that are stacked and zerglings could use inev det on raids but they dont.
Imagine a raid of pugs spamming Inev det into an organized raid.
Purge triggers it to instant proc otherwise it’s a 4 sec timer.
Would be hitting for max amount because they stack tightly.
But they would rather spam timestop as I’m sure they enjoy chronomancer roleplay.
Someone says Det was nerfed.
You say it wasn't.
I show that it was.
You say it wasn't.
Ok.Dalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.5 -
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✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you think its not a useful ability in PvE you should consider uninstalling the game, as a DK tank it replaces 2 abilities:
1. Caltrops for initial aggro and slow
2. Talons for CC
At the last boss of vFL for instance I prefer time stop over talons anyway because Talons will often only grab ONE of the scarabs...time stop grabs both....and that doesn't even touch its utility for non-DK tanks. The question is whether its NEEDED for PvE, its the fact that ZOS gave PvE tanks a VERY useful tool in Time Stop and now because of the INCESSANT WHINING of the PvP crowd who cant stay out of the red, they are taking it away.4 -
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✭✭✭✭At a certain level, if having time stop coverage is so important to a raid that they devote one person to build just for that (rather than have it be an added responsibility of other roles)...I'm kind of okay with that.
The cost increase is going to drastically reduce the rate of people casting it in the blobbly pugzergs, and, I'll bet, reduce the spam of it on the part of raids, too. I'd let the current change hit the live environment before claiming the nerf isn't enough.
...that being said, yeah, remove the snare. It's dumb and bad.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
And it is for this reason, instead of almost doubling the cost, they should just reduce its radius. Reducing its radius makes it far easier to escape in pvp, yet still accomplishes its goal as a large aoe crowd control available to all classes. Right now I don't believe it's the cost that's the issue with the ability, I think because of its radius it is too hard to escape in pvp and is over performing by almost guaranteeing your enemies to break free.
No because the Cloak breaking effect is as an important part of this skill as anything. Or reduce the radius for the Time Stop morph but keep it on Time Freeze.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?0 -
Wrathmane✭✭✭The ability is well telegraphed and you have plenty of time to roll dodge out of it......... I feel the nerf isn't really needed.Sha'ria Wrathmane - Belora Wrathmane - Leora WrathmaneFormer Head of Recruitment for Vokundein3 -
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✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
You’re wrong. It’s more than viable for a non dk tank to use - and I on my healer, if I get rando lower dps group, I use it for trash control.
If you can’t get out of a big aoe or chain people out of it, You need to consider uninstalling.Edited by IzzyStardust on February 8, 2019 6:59PM3 -
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✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »At a certain level, if having time stop coverage is so important to a raid that they devote one person to build just for that (rather than have it be an added responsibility of other roles)...I'm kind of okay with that.
The cost increase is going to drastically reduce the rate of people casting it in the blobbly pugzergs, and, I'll bet, reduce the spam of it on the part of raids, too. I'd let the current change hit the live environment before claiming the nerf isn't enough.
...that being said, yeah, remove the snare. It's dumb and bad.
Are you kidding? It's the Blobby Pugzergs - or Mega Zergs™ that are complaining about it. Lol.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?0 -
Irylia✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea so it hasn’t been nerfed.
That was nearly 3 years ago and with removal of aoe caps/5x to staves and the additional high damage sets the loss is minimal
It will still chunk players that are stacked and zerglings could use inev det on raids but they dont.
Imagine a raid of pugs spamming Inev det into an organized raid.
Purge triggers it to instant proc otherwise it’s a 4 sec timer.
Would be hitting for max amount because they stack tightly.
But they would rather spam timestop as I’m sure they enjoy chronomancer roleplay.
Someone says Det was nerfed.
You say it wasn't.
I show that it was.
You say it wasn't.
Ok.
Yea a “nerf” that happened nearly 3 years ago. And it wasn’t even a nerf for the utilization of the skill. It was being abused on dw sorc, scaling with thaum and one shotting with curse. They removed the single target damage component and increased the aoe damage past what it was hitting for and has had little to no aftershock to the new pvp community/players. was also indirectly buffed by x, y and z aforementioned things essentially making that “nerf” pointless to use as a reason. Especially since it was altered to be stronger vs stacked players.
The “nerf” never disuaded raids, bombers, zerglings, small scale from utilizing it. They actually used it more because of how potent it is vs clumps.
Edited by Irylia on February 8, 2019 7:44PM0 -
Rescue78✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you can't figure out how to avoid timestop in PVP maybe you should uninstall the game instead of crying for nerfs 24/7.
You should learn to small scale
Who says i don't? I'm not the one crying for nerfs 24/7 over an ability that is avoidable.1 -
Ozby✭✭✭✭✭Because in this game it's all about PVP not PVE, makes me a bit sad they are alway nerfing stuff to suit PVP players.PC NA
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Yea so it hasn’t been nerfed.
That was nearly 3 years ago and with removal of aoe caps/5x to staves and the additional high damage sets the loss is minimal
It will still chunk players that are stacked and zerglings could use inev det on raids but they dont.
Imagine a raid of pugs spamming Inev det into an organized raid.
Purge triggers it to instant proc otherwise it’s a 4 sec timer.
Would be hitting for max amount because they stack tightly.
But they would rather spam timestop as I’m sure they enjoy chronomancer roleplay.
Someone says Det was nerfed.
You say it wasn't.
I show that it was.
You say it wasn't.
Ok.
Yea a nerf that happened nearly 3 years ago and has had little to no aftershock to the new pvp community/players and was also indirectly buffed by x, y and z aforementioned things essentially makes that nerf pointless to use.
The nerf never disuaded raids, bombers, zerglings, small scale from utilizing it. it’s still doing a chunk of damage.
Nothing you say is going to change the fact that the original statement was true: Det was nerfed. It doesn't matter what's happened since then, with the Dark Brotherhood patch, Det got nerfed, wards had their time reduced, and poisons were introduced. These statements are indisputable.Dalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.2 -
Syhae✭✭✭So many ridiculous comments asking for an I win button. Any ranged ability with a range less than shield charge is useless in pvp. You’re asking for no one to be able to effect you in pvp unless you have the option of charging, stunning and bursting down the player.
Is there an ignore button for forums? I really hope the devs use it.
This seems somewhat ironic since timestop practically is the 1 I win button in the game right now.@Syhae
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GallantGuardian✭✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you cant avoid time stop in pvp then you should consider uninstalling the game4 -
GallantGuardian✭✭✭✭So many ridiculous comments asking for an I win button. Any ranged ability with a range less than shield charge is useless in pvp. You’re asking for no one to be able to effect you in pvp unless you have the option of charging, stunning and bursting down the player.
Is there an ignore button for forums? I really hope the devs use it.
This seems somewhat ironic since timestop practically is the 1 I win button in the game right now.
Its only I WIN if you are dumb enough to stand in it.. it has a cast time and is avoidable you can roll out...
Youre asking for a nerf so you dont have to be bothered with using in game mechanics to fight1 -
montiferus✭✭✭✭✭GallantGuardian wrote: »So many ridiculous comments asking for an I win button. Any ranged ability with a range less than shield charge is useless in pvp. You’re asking for no one to be able to effect you in pvp unless you have the option of charging, stunning and bursting down the player.
Is there an ignore button for forums? I really hope the devs use it.
This seems somewhat ironic since timestop practically is the 1 I win button in the game right now.
Its only I WIN if you are dumb enough to stand in it.. it has a cast time and is avoidable you can roll out...
Youre asking for a nerf so you dont have to be bothered with using in game mechanics to fight
you dont know what you are talking about. please stick to the trashcan section of the forums where you and the others belong.
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montiferus✭✭✭✭✭montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you can't figure out how to avoid timestop in PVP maybe you should uninstall the game instead of crying for nerfs 24/7.
You should learn to small scale
Who says i don't? I'm not the one crying for nerfs 24/7 over an ability that is avoidable.
i do. your comments state that fact quite clearly.0 -
Irylia✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea so it hasn’t been nerfed.
That was nearly 3 years ago and with removal of aoe caps/5x to staves and the additional high damage sets the loss is minimal
It will still chunk players that are stacked and zerglings could use inev det on raids but they dont.
Imagine a raid of pugs spamming Inev det into an organized raid.
Purge triggers it to instant proc otherwise it’s a 4 sec timer.
Would be hitting for max amount because they stack tightly.
But they would rather spam timestop as I’m sure they enjoy chronomancer roleplay.
Someone says Det was nerfed.
You say it wasn't.
I show that it was.
You say it wasn't.
Ok.
Yea a nerf that happened nearly 3 years ago and has had little to no aftershock to the new pvp community/players and was also indirectly buffed by x, y and z aforementioned things essentially makes that nerf pointless to use.
The nerf never disuaded raids, bombers, zerglings, small scale from utilizing it. it’s still doing a chunk of damage.
Nothing you say is going to change the fact that the original statement was true: Det was nerfed. It doesn't matter what's happened since then, with the Dark Brotherhood patch, Det got nerfed, wards had their time reduced, and poisons were introduced. These statements are indisputable.
No because that’s not a nerf.
And the original counter remark was that det was nerfed with the application to countering ball groups. Which is why he doesn’t want to see timestop nerfed.
It was always intended to do more damage in an aoe to multiple players not deal the same x large amount to just one player like it would to the 6.
They fixed it so that it scaled to do more vs stacks and less vs the poor solo guy.
Lmao what
Iskiab
“Exactly, it was a zerg/ball group buster and now there isn’t one. I heard det used to be effective but crybabies got it nerfed”
It’s even more effective against ball groups and pug zergs.Edited by Irylia on February 11, 2019 4:20PM0 -
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Yea so it hasn’t been nerfed.
That was nearly 3 years ago and with removal of aoe caps/5x to staves and the additional high damage sets the loss is minimal
It will still chunk players that are stacked and zerglings could use inev det on raids but they dont.
Imagine a raid of pugs spamming Inev det into an organized raid.
Purge triggers it to instant proc otherwise it’s a 4 sec timer.
Would be hitting for max amount because they stack tightly.
But they would rather spam timestop as I’m sure they enjoy chronomancer roleplay.
Someone says Det was nerfed.
You say it wasn't.
I show that it was.
You say it wasn't.
Ok.
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✭montiferus wrote: »montiferus wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »This ability is useful in PvE as well... you can’t just nerf everything that annoys you in PvP for both just for 1 side. Either add it into battle spirit or leave it.
If you need time stop for pve content you should consider uninstalling the game.
If you can't figure out how to avoid timestop in PVP maybe you should uninstall the game instead of crying for nerfs 24/7.
You should learn to small scale
Who says i don't? I'm not the one crying for nerfs 24/7 over an ability that is avoidable.
i do. your comments state that fact quite clearly.
Right?
You can accomplish what time stop does with other skills. Talons (already used by tanks) caltrops (already used by dps)
Requires more group coordination and the times you’d use time stop for pve purposes is so seldom that you can’t really defend it from a nerf when it’s blocking out the sun in pvp.
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