What's this I hear, Lawrence Schick is leaving ZOS?

Blutengel

I hope this is not true

Shadow-Fighter

Don't nerf our story writer

*Pain*

Respect4Elders

LurgidBean wrote: »

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PrayingSeraph

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

Hallothiel

Lore should not be the responsibility of just one person - is incredibly foolish to do that - will get moribund and tedious (see C Tolkien for an example of how not to do things)

Casdha

Maybe if he was planning on going, ZOS is taking their time and getting him to Teleconference or something, work from Home part time if you will.

And this will be nothing but a nasty rumor I started, we'll proliferate would be more accurate. (I'm still surprised they unlocked the thread though, after it being locked all day yesterday)

Wouldn't be the first time I screwed something up around here.

Side Note: If I google his name, this thread comes up like the third or fourth thing down, so they need to say something.

Loves_guars

NO PLEASE NO. I mean it. Probably my favorite thing about this game and I'm not even a lore player or anything.

Vhozek

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

PrayingSeraph

Vhozek wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

RPG's have a lore framework. Players insert their own character inside that framework, but we don't create that framework

Kirkbride half the time turns that framework into nonsense, the other half of the time destroys the framework with his ideas of what canon should be

WeylandLabs

ZOS : Wants Argonians to have Disease resistance and Woodelfs Poison resistance.

Actual Lore : Has Argonians poison and Woodelfs Disease.

Lol

Iluvrien

Hallothiel wrote: »

Lore should not be the responsibility of just one person - is incredibly foolish to do that - will get moribund and tedious (see C Tolkien for an example of how not to do things)

It isn't. He works with the lore keepers at Bethesda.

That said, I really hope that this isn't true. The inclusion of Loremaster Schick in a broadcast has been (and coninues to be) a guaranteed way to get me to watch it.

His short on the pronunciation of TES nouns remains a favourite of mine to this day... and that was pre-launch.

Ohtimbar

Vhozek wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

Agreed. Dog forbid someone use their imagination instead of writing dry predictable fantasy fluff.

Morgul667

Maybe the race crazy things that zos is pulling was too much for him

Hope it s a fake though

sionIV

The fact that this thread has been completely ignored by ZoS, is not a good sign. If it was just a rumor, they would have put a stop to it quickly. It is most likely true, and they're just waiting for the right time to officially announce it.

Sylvermynx

I've seen it; can't give chapter and verse (or links, for today's world) - but I have seen it.

Androconium

Casdha wrote: »

I just saw a message that looked to be from him saying that next week is going to be his last week at ZOS as Lore Master.

Where is the official post?

Not a problem for me.

GLP323b14_ESO

Hopefully this is just more of Facebook's infamous fake news.

Faulgor

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

RPG's have a lore framework. Players insert their own character inside that framework, but we don't create that framework

Kirkbride half the time turns that framework into nonsense, the other half of the time destroys the framework with his ideas of what canon should be

I'd disagree. That's precisely one of the things that differentiates TES lore from other fantasy lore, that it is in part co-created by the player. It is up to everyone to interpret the conflicting accounts and representations in the world and come up with their own answers. The solutions are rarley handed down from on high.

I also don't think Kirkbride's stuff is nonsense. Without the weird stuff - not only written by MK, but many other writers as well - TES lore would be as dry as a cracker. But hey, everyone's free to not believe in it. That's the whole point.

ezio45

Has this been commented on by a Dev? Where is this info from?

I rather like Lawrence. He is a cool guy

Casdha

ezio45 wrote: »

Has this been commented on by a Dev? Where is this info from?

I rather like Lawrence. He is a cool guy

No it has not been commented on by a dev,

Where it came from, I heard it on the grapevine as it were and was asking if it was true.

Can't verify the validity 100%, which is why I asked.

Thevampirenight

So who will replace him if he leaves?

Didaco

Maybe necromancers and dragons were too much fanservice for him to bear...

PrayingSeraph

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

Agreed. Dog forbid someone use their imagination instead of writing dry predictable fantasy fluff.

Imagination? Yeaaahhh he has quite the imagination. That doesn't mean he's good at creating lore

Faulgor wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

RPG's have a lore framework. Players insert their own character inside that framework, but we don't create that framework

Kirkbride half the time turns that framework into nonsense, the other half of the time destroys the framework with his ideas of what canon should be

I'd disagree. That's precisely one of the things that differentiates TES lore from other fantasy lore, that it is in part co-created by the player. It is up to everyone to interpret the conflicting accounts and representations in the world and come up with their own answers. The solutions are rarley handed down from on high.

I also don't think Kirkbride's stuff is nonsense. Without the weird stuff - not only written by MK, but many other writers as well - TES lore would be as dry as a cracker. But hey, everyone's free to not believe in it. That's the whole point.

The player has little choice in the world and the story, rather TES focuses on our characters whom we can create to our liking. TES has never been about player choice changing the story. Choices are few, and rarely have much impact on the greater whole story. Mass Effect, Dragon Age even Witcher allow more important player choices, but even then the story is largely already crafted. TES has always been this expansive world filled with lore that players can explore.

Kirkbride's lore is despised by many fans. It wont take a person long to realize that just mentioning the name "Kirkbride" on an Elder Scrolls forum will likely cause a fight. I don't believe for a second that a writer has to stoop to Kirkbride's level of "imagination" in order to not be stale. They don't need the equivalent of C0DA. Sure there will always be those who like Kirkbride's wackiness and disdain of canon, but such a divisive and controversial writer would be terrible to replace Lawrence with. Let him stick to writing fanon for his fans

I'm not against people liking Kirkbride or using his fanon as their headcanon, but I object ti MK being involved in anything official anymore

SantieClaws

Probably, this one assumes, that should the loremaster really be sailing for unknown lands then the best choice to replace him would be someone he already works with - one of the other writers no?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

phantasmalD

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Yeah.... it's not like cyrodil was suppose to be a jungle right now

That's on TES IV and Bethesda main.

or that there was no recorded evidence of dragons "existing" during this era.

Except there is?
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Atlas_of_Dragons
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus

or the fact you have thousands of dead corpses around tamriel yet not a single bosmer is seen cannibalizing their bodies.

They are just watching their figures, you can't go too hard on that red meat.
Cannibalism and the Green Pact was frequently brought up during the Valenwood quests tho.

[Edited for off-topic content]

TiaFrye

Vhozek wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

It's not about his work, which can be good and interesting, it's about some of his tes fans worshipping him like a god and attacking the other tes fans if their view and interpritation on the world and history of Tamriel is different from "deep lore". Which is sometimes not even canon parts, made prior to his leave (by legal standpoint), but mere fanfiction.
So I'd rather not have Kirkbride here at all, it will make things go the wrong side most likely.

AlexanderDeLarge

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

Imagine unironically thinking this. I'm sure we're all here because of Oblivion's generic Tolkien fantasy and Skyrim's off brand Game of Thrones setting.

PrayingSeraph

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

Imagine unironically thinking this. I'm sure we're all here because of Oblivion's generic Tolkien fantasy and Skyrim's off brand Game of Thrones setting.

Because Tolkien and Game of Thrones are generic and boring...(sarcasm)

TiaFrye

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

Imagine unironically thinking this. I'm sure we're all here because of Oblivion's generic Tolkien fantasy and Skyrim's off brand Game of Thrones setting.

Again, ma dude, most of the tes fans can't take large portions of weird stuff, because not all of us are into such things. No one is against odd stuff like in terms of lesser evil, needed to make game interesting.
But making anything too imaginative, complicated and weird concept alltogetger, will likely scare off the population. Which is bad for sales. Injecting yoursef with strange things is fun, but live solely on them is not.

Most of us are FINE with Summerset architecture. Most of us FINE with what is called generic fantasy as long as we have and can use our own view on it.

Kirkbride fans can like his work and no one will force them not to, but forcing this on general population will prove destructive. Considering devided fandom, for sure.

TiaFrye

Vhozek wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I really hope this isn’t true. @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick does an amazing job and I would be sad to see him go.

That being said, maybe we could bring Michael Kirkbride back in? At least for some freelance jobs, preferably while retaining Schick as loremaster. Again, he is amazing.

No no no keep Kirkbride and his nonsense faaar away from any official canon lore

Just the thought of him writing new canon makes me shiver ughh

What is even wrong with Kirkbride's work? He writes weird stuff, sure, but it's very symbolic which leaves enough room for each individual player to come up with a meaning for what he writes. It's straight up what TES is all about.

I happen to know an artist who was told by some kirkbridian fan to go and ref LadyN's artwork of Alessia when she drew her as she was imagining her. Despite artwork was not even close to only canon depiction she knew from games. So I'll desagree with you on individual part. A lot of kirkbridians like to force their "better" canon on us normies.