Necropotence 5p bonus doesnt apply correctly

iCaliban

How about we stop derailing the thread with pointless "nerf sorc" posts and stick to the bug report?

Dracane

Skander wrote: »

Pets dieing


that's a good one

As for pve, stacking magicka is off meta. Healer/support sets offer little magicka and are more focused on spell damage or regeneration. The Twilight only scales with magicka, while all other heals scale with both stats. So the Twilight is in a big disadvantage in a meta healer setup.

yvesfouquet4

this is not a nerf twilight thread, please continue that discussion elsewhere

did someone test if with/without necro theres a damage difference on other damage sources? (havent had the time for it yet)

karekiz

Skander wrote: »

Pets dieing


that's a good one

Sounds like a PvP git gud issue

Dracane

yvesfouquet4 wrote: »

this is not a nerf twilight thread, please continue that discussion elsewhere

did someone test if with/without necro theres a damage difference on other damage sources? (havent had the time for it yet)

I did test it with light attacks and some abilities. Necropotence does apply its damage reliably.
My light attack with necropotence dealt 4822 damage and 4836 damage with my replacement setup, where I have like 300 more magicka. So yes, only pets are affected as it seems.

Derra

Skander wrote: »

Pets dieing


that's a good one

Have you tried to utilize them in open pvp?

TheYKcid

Berenhir wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They broke it plus someone said it doesn’t scale with cp passive stat buff but not sure if that’s true.

No 5pc bonus scales with CP passive stat bonus, be it shackle breaker, necropotence, bone pirate or bright throat boast. Thats how it always was,

@Berenhir

Just a correction: ONLY the 5pc stat bonuses with a proc condition do not get multiplied by the CP modifier. Eg. Necro, Bone Pirate, Green Pact, etc.

Normal sets that give unconditional bonuses on the 5pc benefit from CP just fine. You can test it yourself with Shacklebreaker etc.

Berenhir

TheYKcid wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They broke it plus someone said it doesn’t scale with cp passive stat buff but not sure if that’s true.

No 5pc bonus scales with CP passive stat bonus, be it shackle breaker, necropotence, bone pirate or bright throat boast. Thats how it always was,

@Berenhir

Just a correction: ONLY the 5pc stat bonuses with a proc condition do not get multiplied by the CP modifier. Eg. Necro, Bone Pirate, Green Pact, etc.

Normal sets that give unconditional bonuses on the 5pc benefit from CP just fine. You can test it yourself with Shacklebreaker etc.

Ah, good to know. I always thought it was all 5pc boni

Moloch1514

@ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_GinaBruno any chance this bug will be reproduced on your end?

Zer0oo

any one can test if at least the racials work?

Dracane

@Zer0oo I did now and yes, racial magicka does apply as it should.

cpuScientist

Further necropotence has not worked with the bears damage for a long time. Even on live!

Ragnaroek93

Magsorc with Necro is obviously not already strong enough on PTS when I tested it. This class will be so meta rofl...

codestripper

Yeah this thread needs to stay at the top until we get some sort of confirmation for next PTS patch. all pets need to work with necropotence. It's really going to get annoying to swap to a different playstyle if this goes live...plus now I have 2 wasted weeks of parses.

All we want is some sort of acknowledgement @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam

ccmedaddy

Would this be an appropriate place to suggest that Necropotence needs a buff? It's laughable that a CONDITIONAL set like Necro has a 5pc bonus comparable to that of Juliano's, and now that we're losing % max mag modifier from racial passives it will be even less attractive than it is now.

Bump it back to how it used to be: 4K mag.

sage2000

Skander wrote: »

Pets dieing


that's a good one

This thread is about a bugged armor set. Stop derailing it. If you want to cry about sorc pets make your own thread.

MLGProPlayer

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Would this be an appropriate place to suggest that Necropotence needs a buff? It's laughable that a CONDITIONAL set like Necro has a 5pc bonus comparable to that of Juliano's, and now that we're losing % max mag modifier from racial passives it will be even less attractive than it is now.

Bump it back to how it used to be: 4K mag.

They need to revert the nerf when they dropped the 5pc bonus from 4000 to 3150. It didn't make sense then and it makes even less sense now.

codestripper

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Would this be an appropriate place to suggest that Necropotence needs a buff? It's laughable that a CONDITIONAL set like Necro has a 5pc bonus comparable to that of Juliano's, and now that we're losing % max mag modifier from racial passives it will be even less attractive than it is now.

Bump it back to how it used to be: 4K mag.

They need to revert the nerf when they dropped the 5pc bonus from 4000 to 3150.

100% agree, especially now that they health capped our shields. Give us a little extra magic to compensate..

Dracane

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Would this be an appropriate place to suggest that Necropotence needs a buff? It's laughable that a CONDITIONAL set like Necro has a 5pc bonus comparable to that of Juliano's, and now that we're losing % max mag modifier from racial passives it will be even less attractive than it is now.

Bump it back to how it used to be: 4K mag.

It wouldn't be outrageous to request that. Magicka has lost lots of its appeal and strenght over the past updates and does scale quite badly nowadays. Increasing this set to what it used to be, would keep it more desirable.

Needless to say, if not even this bug is resolved, there will be no reason to run Necropotence moving forward. Its sole purpose is to make pets better, it's literally the only pet set.

It used to be necropotent, now it's just necro, because it's dead.

Deloth_Vyrr

Dracane wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Would this be an appropriate place to suggest that Necropotence needs a buff? It's laughable that a CONDITIONAL set like Necro has a 5pc bonus comparable to that of Juliano's, and now that we're losing % max mag modifier from racial passives it will be even less attractive than it is now.

Bump it back to how it used to be: 4K mag.

It wouldn't be outrageous to request that. Magicka has lost lots of its appeal and strenght over the past updates and does scale quite badly nowadays. Increasing this set to what it used to be, would keep it more desirable.

Needless to say, if not even this bug is resolved, there will be no reason to run Necropotence moving forward. Its sole purpose is to make pets better, it's literally the only pet set.

It used to be necropotent, now it's just necro, because it's dead.

ZOS really need to release a new Pet set for 2019. Necro was fine but its had its day, just like you don't see people still clinging to sets like Julianos these days - we shouldn't have to cling to this old relic.

We need a trials set that's built with bonuses we can fully utilize, and fills a major gap in our current setup. I feel something like this would be both interesting, and extremely useful.

2pc: Maximum Magicka
3pc: Minor Slayer
4pc: Maximum Magicka
5pc Perfected: Spell Critical
5pc: While you have a pet active, dealing damage with a Light Attack grants you a charge of Conjuration increasing your Maximum Magicka by 150 and your Spell Critical by 50 for 8 seconds (stacks up to 20 charges). While you have 20 charges of Conjuration your fully-charged Heavy Attack consumes 5 charges to deal XX additional damage and grants you Minor Berserk for 8 seconds.

But I'm just wishlisting here which isn't the purpose of this thread. I hope ZOS looks at the Pet scaling discrepancy reported here and figures out why that's happening.

Dracane

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Would this be an appropriate place to suggest that Necropotence needs a buff? It's laughable that a CONDITIONAL set like Necro has a 5pc bonus comparable to that of Juliano's, and now that we're losing % max mag modifier from racial passives it will be even less attractive than it is now.

Bump it back to how it used to be: 4K mag.

It wouldn't be outrageous to request that. Magicka has lost lots of its appeal and strenght over the past updates and does scale quite badly nowadays. Increasing this set to what it used to be, would keep it more desirable.

Needless to say, if not even this bug is resolved, there will be no reason to run Necropotence moving forward. Its sole purpose is to make pets better, it's literally the only pet set.

It used to be necropotent, now it's just necro, because it's dead.

ZOS really need to release a new Pet set for 2019. Necro was fine but its had its day, just like you don't see people still clinging to sets like Julianos these days - we shouldn't have to cling to this old relic.

We need a trials set that only gives stats we can fully utilize, and fills a gap in our current setup. I feel something like this would be both interesting, and extremely useful.

2pc: Max Magicka
3pc: Minor Slayer
4pc: Spell Crit
5pc Perfected: Max Magicka
5pc: While you have a pet active: When you deal damage with a Light Attack you gain a charge of Conjuration granting 150 max magicka and 50 spell crit for 8 seconds (stacks up to 20 charges). Your fully charged heavy attacks consume 5 charges of Conjuration to deal XX additional damage and grant you Minor Berserk for 8 seconds.

But I'm just wishlisting here which isn't the purpose of this thread. I hope ZOS looks at the Pet scaling discrepancy here and figures out why that's happening.

I doubt they will introduce a trial set for summoners, because Trial sets are always mainstream sets that compliment the meta spell/weapon damage stacker. Magicka/stamina is simply not wanted by Zenimax, as seen by how unviable magicka was made as a ressource.

Your set idea however is interesting and I would definately like to see something like that. We have Sorcerers, wardens and soon Necromancers. So 3 classes that utilize summons in one way or another. So giving us something to toy around with would be appreciated, even if it does not make us competitive. I am comfortable in my tiny bubble.

ruikkarikun

@Gilliamtherogue Please look at this bug and fix it, thank you.

WrathOfInnos

TheYKcid wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They broke it plus someone said it doesn’t scale with cp passive stat buff but not sure if that’s true.

No 5pc bonus scales with CP passive stat bonus, be it shackle breaker, necropotence, bone pirate or bright throat boast. Thats how it always was,

@Berenhir

Just a correction: ONLY the 5pc stat bonuses with a proc condition do not get multiplied by the CP modifier. Eg. Necro, Bone Pirate, Green Pact, etc.

Normal sets that give unconditional bonuses on the 5pc benefit from CP just fine. You can test it yourself with Shacklebreaker etc.

@TheYKcid Really? I wasn’t aware of this, I thought all 5pc stat bonuses were missing the 20% multiplier. So you’re saying that the 5pc on shacklebreaker (2000 tooltip) gives the same Max Magicka as the 5pc on Destruction Mastery (2400 tooltip)?

Not to derail the thread, but can we list which ones work and which do not?

From your description I’m guessing:

Receive CP Multiplier
Shacklebreaker, Trainee, Draugr Hulk, Plague Doctor

Excluded from CP Multiplier
Bright-Throat, Bone Pirate, Green Pact, Destruction Mastery, Necropotence

Does this agree with your testing, and did I miss any sets? I’d check myself, but I won’t have time tonight. Thanks.

Priyasekarssk

Skander wrote: »

Nobody wants to argue that twilight matriarch has a close tooltip with Breath of life but costs less targets 2 people without LoS?

no?

Ok

Shall we discuss shameless OP skill Wings an ultimate in name of skill first ? No ? Ok ?

TheYKcid

@WrathOfInnos Pretty much. I haven't tested every set on that list personally, but the mechanic is very consistent and I've not seen any reports to the contrary.

Gorrest

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They broke it plus someone said it doesn’t scale with cp passive stat buff but not sure if that’s true.

No 5pc bonus scales with CP passive stat bonus, be it shackle breaker, necropotence, bone pirate or bright throat boast. Thats how it always was,

Same with food.

Magicka = ((142 * Level + 858 + 111 * Attribute.Magicka + Item.Magicka + Set.Magicka)*(1 + 0.004 * min(CP.Magicka, 100) - 0.00002 * pow(min(CP.Magicka, 100), 2)) + Food.Magicka + Mundus.Magicka + Skill2.Magicka)*(1 + Skill.Magicka + Buff.Magicka)

Most sets are consider as Set.Magicka unless it has a proc condition.
Other sets that dont get buffed by CP are the ones that have a %based so Grace of the Ancients.

With Food, its classified as the same as a Mundus so it wont be increased by CP, but does get increased by Skill %increases like Mage's Guild, Magicka Flood, ect

Gorrest

Sorry for Double Post, wouldnt allow me to delete this one.

Wuuffyy

This needs to be fixed.

OolongSnakeTea

Please fix this bug! I love playing my pet sorc! And I'm sure wardens would like their bears to count finally!

Beardimus

Skander wrote: »

Nobody wants to argue that twilight matriarch has a close tooltip with Breath of life but costs less targets 2 people without LoS?

no?

Ok

Huh? Relevance to the thread?

Were you here with old BOL?

Can BOL get disabled with the pet dies?