Necropotence 5p bonus doesnt apply correctly

yvesfouquet4

I noticed that on the PTS server necropotence set is bugged. The 5p bonus applies to the character stat sheet, applies to the tooltip damage but doesnt apply to your actual outgoing damage.
Tested this on a 6million target dummy and the damage with or without the 5p bonus stays exactly the same.

The test was with 5p necropotence and 4p necropotence +1p lich (all 5 divine all max magicka) - no food - no cp - no mundus
I commanded the pet to attack the target dummy (non crit and no concussion) + didnt skill the amplitude passive

See screenshots for the combat log

Special thanks to @Maverick_Brian for helping discover it :-)



@Gilliamtherogue @KenaPKK @Derra

KenaPKK

Anyone else able to reproduce this test? I shall look into it as well. Thanks for the bug report.

Deloth_Vyrr

I can confirm that the Necro 5 pc is broken on PTS - except in my case unlike the OP it appears to be broken for everything.

I have ~3k less max magicka on PTS than I do on live. When I equip and unequip my Necro chest piece, I only gain/lose the max magicka from the enchant. The 5 piece bonus enables/disables on the character sheet, but the bonus doesn't get applied.

Dracane

You are actually a genius LeMalm.
In another thread I have described how Pets deal way less damage than what their tooltip indicates.

My Twilights tooltip is 7300 damage at 50k magicka. Against a target with 0 resistances it dealt 5800 damage. Now without necropotence but the same amount of magicka, it deals 6600 damage. While still nowhere near the tooltip, it's a big chunk.

Thank you for discovering this. I would have never thought something like this could happen.

Dracane

The first 2 photos is me wearing necropotence. My magicka is roughly 50,100.





Now I removed the 5th piece of necropotence and added some other magicka sources to get roughly the same amount of magicka. I am at 50,400 now, which would result in a barely noticeable difference. However, the difference is signficant. A difference of 500 damage.

Wuuffyy

They broke it plus someone said it doesn’t scale with cp passive stat buff but not sure if that’s true.

Berenhir

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They broke it plus someone said it doesn’t scale with cp passive stat buff but not sure if that’s true.

No 5pc bonus scales with CP passive stat bonus, be it shackle breaker, necropotence, bone pirate or bright throat boast. Thats how it always was,

MashmalloMan

Berenhir wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They broke it plus someone said it doesn’t scale with cp passive stat buff but not sure if that’s true.

No 5pc bonus scales with CP passive stat bonus, be it shackle breaker, necropotence, bone pirate or bright throat boast. Thats how it always was,

Same with food.

Deloth_Vyrr

Please disregard. False alarm.

Dracane

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

So this bug is brand new to this PTS patch (it wasn't present in the previous build)

5 pc set bonus for Necropotence isn't functioning at all.

On Live:

https://imgur.com/a/vRuo2Hc
Here is my character in full gear, food buff, etc - including 5pc Necro - Max Magicka: 49,182

https://imgur.com/a/co12tla
When I remove my Necro chest piece - breaking the 5 pc bonus - Max Magicka: 43,770 (a loss of 5,412 - as expected for the combined loss of 5pc bonus and the infused max magicka enchant on the chest)

Now on PTS

https://imgur.com/a/9068EWr
Same character, full gear, food buff, etc - including 5pc Necro - Max Magicka: 44,179 (a loss of 5003 from live - a portion of that is due to the racial passive change, but the rest is unaccounted for until you see below:

https://imgur.com/a/GKDHrLO
When I remove the same chest piece - breaking the 5 pc bonus- Max Magicka: 42,729 (just the loss of the infused enchantment on the chest piece - no loss from losing the 5pc bonus because it appears the bonus isn't being applied to begin with, which explains the 5003 difference between PTS and Live noted above)

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

Deloth_Vyrr

Dracane wrote: »

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

I can't speak on the Pet damage not aligning with the tooltip, but I can confirm 100% that prior to this PTS patch Necro's 5pc wasn't broken as far as it granting the max magicka its supposed to. I tested extensively on PTS the past few days and have several screenshots and even video footage of a parse which shows me with the proper amount of Max Magicka.

Combat metrics from just last week:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471068522550919178/537057701398577181/unknown.png

Showing 47k max magicka (down from 49k on live, which aligns with the racial passive change)
Today showing 44k on PTS with the exact same build, buffs, etc. due to broken Necro 5pc.

Dracane

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

I can't speak on the Pet damage not aligning with the tooltip, but I can confirm 100% that prior to this PTS patch Necro's 5pc wasn't broken as far as it granting the max magicka its supposed to. I tested extensively on PTS the past few days and have several screenshots and even video footage of a parse which shows me with the proper amount of Max Magicka.

Combat metrics from just last week:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471068522550919178/537057701398577181/unknown.png

Showing 47k max magicka (down from 49k on live, which aligns with the racial passive change)
Today showing 44k on PTS with the exact same build, buffs, etc. due to broken Necro 5pc.

It does grant its magicka even now, its just doesn't add to your damage. My magicka is exactly the same as last patch with Necropotence.

Deloth_Vyrr

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

I can't speak on the Pet damage not aligning with the tooltip, but I can confirm 100% that prior to this PTS patch Necro's 5pc wasn't broken as far as it granting the max magicka its supposed to. I tested extensively on PTS the past few days and have several screenshots and even video footage of a parse which shows me with the proper amount of Max Magicka.

Combat metrics from just last week:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471068522550919178/537057701398577181/unknown.png

Showing 47k max magicka (down from 49k on live, which aligns with the racial passive change)
Today showing 44k on PTS with the exact same build, buffs, etc. due to broken Necro 5pc.

It does grant its magicka even now, its just doesn't add to your damage. My magicka is exactly the same as last patch with Necropotence.

Look at the comparison screenshots above. Exact same gear, buffs, everything. Comparing live vs PTS with and without 5pc Necro equipped. You can clearly see on the PTS screenshots the difference in my character's max magicka between 5pc Necro and only 4pc Necro is only the amount of the missing armor enchant, the 3k from the set bonus is no where to be found.

49k on live, if I remove a piece of Necro and break the set it drops to 43k.

44k on PTS (same character, identical setup), if I remove a piece of Necro it drops to 42.7k.

Dracane

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

I can't speak on the Pet damage not aligning with the tooltip, but I can confirm 100% that prior to this PTS patch Necro's 5pc wasn't broken as far as it granting the max magicka its supposed to. I tested extensively on PTS the past few days and have several screenshots and even video footage of a parse which shows me with the proper amount of Max Magicka.

Combat metrics from just last week:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471068522550919178/537057701398577181/unknown.png

Showing 47k max magicka (down from 49k on live, which aligns with the racial passive change)
Today showing 44k on PTS with the exact same build, buffs, etc. due to broken Necro 5pc.

It does grant its magicka even now, its just doesn't add to your damage. My magicka is exactly the same as last patch with Necropotence.

Look at the comparison screenshots above. Exact same gear, buffs, everything. Comparing live vs PTS with and without 5pc Necro equipped. You can clearly see on the PTS screenshots the difference in max magicka between 5pc Necro and only 4pc Necro is only the amount of the armor enchant, you the 3300 from the set bonus is no where to be found.

49k on live, if I remove a piece of Necro and break the set it drops to 43k.

44k on PTS (same character, identical setup), if I remove a piece of Necro it drops to 42k.

I have 5000 less max magicka on PTS than I do on live. And if I break the 5pc on PTS I only lose the amount of the enchant on the armor piece, cause the set bonus is not active.

Aren't you sure this is due to the loss of racial magicka ?
Of course Necropotence also lost 10% due to that.

Deloth_Vyrr

Nevermind... I'm a dummy... somehow my pets got dismissed when I was taking the screenshots... and so that's why the 5pc wasn't working......

The 5pc appears to be working now that I'm not a moron and have a pet active.

OOF I feel stupid...

My appologies.

MLGProPlayer

Interesting. People have been reporting low parses with necro. I thought it was just because of the reduced magicka racial passives, but it looks like there is actually a bug.

Dracane

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

I can't speak on the Pet damage not aligning with the tooltip, but I can confirm 100% that prior to this PTS patch Necro's 5pc wasn't broken as far as it granting the max magicka its supposed to. I tested extensively on PTS the past few days and have several screenshots and even video footage of a parse which shows me with the proper amount of Max Magicka.

Combat metrics from just last week:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471068522550919178/537057701398577181/unknown.png

Showing 47k max magicka (down from 49k on live, which aligns with the racial passive change)
Today showing 44k on PTS with the exact same build, buffs, etc. due to broken Necro 5pc.

It does grant its magicka even now, its just doesn't add to your damage. My magicka is exactly the same as last patch with Necropotence.

Look at the comparison screenshots above. Exact same gear, buffs, everything. Comparing live vs PTS with and without 5pc Necro equipped. You can clearly see on the PTS screenshots the difference in max magicka between 5pc Necro and only 4pc Necro is only the amount of the armor enchant, you the 3300 from the set bonus is no where to be found.

49k on live, if I remove a piece of Necro and break the set it drops to 43k.

44k on PTS (same character, identical setup), if I remove a piece of Necro it drops to 42k.

I have 5000 less max magicka on PTS than I do on live. And if I break the 5pc on PTS I only lose the amount of the enchant on the armor piece, cause the set bonus is not active.

Aren't you sure this is due to the loss of racial magicka ?
Of course Necropotence also lost 10% due to that. (Yes, necropotence did scale with all %s all the time. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise)

I am equipping and unequipping the 5th piece of Necro on the PTS to see what changes.

If I have 44k with 5pc Necro
And 42.7k with only 4pc
thats a 1300 difference - the amount of the infused enchantment.

5pc bonus for Necro on its own just base, gives 3k. So at the minimum I should see a 4300 increase (5 pc bonus + infused enchant) not 1300. If you do the math it's 100% clear that the 5pc bonus is just busted and not applying at all.

I'm afraid I can't follow you, because my values are as they should be. Only 2k from Gift of Magnus is missing compared to live. I hope if you are right, things are getting fixed back to normal.

Deloth_Vyrr

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

I can't speak on the Pet damage not aligning with the tooltip, but I can confirm 100% that prior to this PTS patch Necro's 5pc wasn't broken as far as it granting the max magicka its supposed to. I tested extensively on PTS the past few days and have several screenshots and even video footage of a parse which shows me with the proper amount of Max Magicka.

Combat metrics from just last week:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471068522550919178/537057701398577181/unknown.png

Showing 47k max magicka (down from 49k on live, which aligns with the racial passive change)
Today showing 44k on PTS with the exact same build, buffs, etc. due to broken Necro 5pc.

It does grant its magicka even now, its just doesn't add to your damage. My magicka is exactly the same as last patch with Necropotence.

Look at the comparison screenshots above. Exact same gear, buffs, everything. Comparing live vs PTS with and without 5pc Necro equipped. You can clearly see on the PTS screenshots the difference in max magicka between 5pc Necro and only 4pc Necro is only the amount of the armor enchant, you the 3300 from the set bonus is no where to be found.

49k on live, if I remove a piece of Necro and break the set it drops to 43k.

44k on PTS (same character, identical setup), if I remove a piece of Necro it drops to 42k.

I have 5000 less max magicka on PTS than I do on live. And if I break the 5pc on PTS I only lose the amount of the enchant on the armor piece, cause the set bonus is not active.

Aren't you sure this is due to the loss of racial magicka ?
Of course Necropotence also lost 10% due to that. (Yes, necropotence did scale with all %s all the time. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise)

I am equipping and unequipping the 5th piece of Necro on the PTS to see what changes.

If I have 44k with 5pc Necro
And 42.7k with only 4pc
thats a 1300 difference - the amount of the infused enchantment.

5pc bonus for Necro on its own just base, gives 3k. So at the minimum I should see a 4300 increase (5 pc bonus + infused enchant) not 1300. If you do the math it's 100% clear that the 5pc bonus is just busted and not applying at all.

I'm afraid I can't follow you, because my values are as they should be. Only 2k from Gift of Magnus is missing compared to live. I hope if you are right, things are getting fixed back to normal.

No you are right. I didnt have a pet active when I was equipping/unequipping, so obviously the 5pc wasnt doing anything... Sorry about that...

Dracane

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Deloth_Vyrr wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It was indeed present on the last pts, which I can confirm since I have documented all my damage and tooltip values during the last pts and compared them to now and they are equal. We merely did not discover it last time.

I mean, who would expect that ?

I can't speak on the Pet damage not aligning with the tooltip, but I can confirm 100% that prior to this PTS patch Necro's 5pc wasn't broken as far as it granting the max magicka its supposed to. I tested extensively on PTS the past few days and have several screenshots and even video footage of a parse which shows me with the proper amount of Max Magicka.

Combat metrics from just last week:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471068522550919178/537057701398577181/unknown.png

Showing 47k max magicka (down from 49k on live, which aligns with the racial passive change)
Today showing 44k on PTS with the exact same build, buffs, etc. due to broken Necro 5pc.

It does grant its magicka even now, its just doesn't add to your damage. My magicka is exactly the same as last patch with Necropotence.

Look at the comparison screenshots above. Exact same gear, buffs, everything. Comparing live vs PTS with and without 5pc Necro equipped. You can clearly see on the PTS screenshots the difference in max magicka between 5pc Necro and only 4pc Necro is only the amount of the armor enchant, you the 3300 from the set bonus is no where to be found.

49k on live, if I remove a piece of Necro and break the set it drops to 43k.

44k on PTS (same character, identical setup), if I remove a piece of Necro it drops to 42k.

I have 5000 less max magicka on PTS than I do on live. And if I break the 5pc on PTS I only lose the amount of the enchant on the armor piece, cause the set bonus is not active.

Aren't you sure this is due to the loss of racial magicka ?
Of course Necropotence also lost 10% due to that. (Yes, necropotence did scale with all %s all the time. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise)

I am equipping and unequipping the 5th piece of Necro on the PTS to see what changes.

If I have 44k with 5pc Necro
And 42.7k with only 4pc
thats a 1300 difference - the amount of the infused enchantment.

5pc bonus for Necro on its own just base, gives 3k. So at the minimum I should see a 4300 increase (5 pc bonus + infused enchant) not 1300. If you do the math it's 100% clear that the 5pc bonus is just busted and not applying at all.

I'm afraid I can't follow you, because my values are as they should be. Only 2k from Gift of Magnus is missing compared to live. I hope if you are right, things are getting fixed back to normal.

No you are right. I didnt have a pet active when I was equipping/unequipping, so obviously the 5pc wasnt doing anything... Sorry about that...

Well. I'm glad that there is no further uncertainty then to make the matter worse. Fake Magicka from Necropotence is already bad enough.

yvesfouquet4

Necropotence was bugged last week also but i didnt find the time to post it on forums here. I also didnt test it if applies on light attack and other dmg sources, but feel free to do so. Use method from first post to make a proper comparison

As far my friend maverick tested last week, on live it should be fine

Race was breton btw ;-)

Maverick_Brian

Indeed, I did not notice the bug on live, from our tests it appeared to be only on the PTS.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Whaaat please fix this asap! This is my main set

Rukzadlithau

Makes you wonder how many other things are incorrectly coded and not yet discovered. Bone Pirate‘s Tatters was even worse, it was just a tooltip increase. I heard Bright-Throat‘s max mag bonus doesn‘t get correctly increased by % modifiers too. Very discouraging.

amir412

There was an old bug related to this with bone pirate on live,
I actually want to test this with hulking draugr and necro on live now.

Skander

Nobody wants to argue that twilight matriarch has a close tooltip with Breath of life but costs less targets 2 people without LoS?

no?

Ok

codestripper

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can we please get an acknowledgement on this from your team? For me as well as a lot of other pet sorcs up in this thread, this is our main set, and the fact that we can't test this on the PTS until the 3rd week now (minimum) is really disheartening, especially with the new changes.

Appreciate any type of response. Also Hi @Dracane @Deloth_Vyrr nice to see you guys here.

Or @KenaPKK do you mind confirming that this was communicated with ZOS? Sorry for possibly sounding pushy, I just don't want this to go unnoticed as so many other bugs seem to be these days. This set is pretty vital to a large portion of players in ESO.

Derra

Skander wrote: »

Nobody wants to argue that twilight matriarch has a close tooltip with Breath of life but costs less targets 2 people without LoS?

no?

Ok

It has line of sight currently - or rather the sorc casting it needs los to the target.

Though i agree - it´s currently too similar to BOL. I´d much prefer it to heal like the NB heal. It´s current value on the same number of targets but over 3s to make it a less potent burst heal.

Edit: Also - while i can accept pve players (templar healers) complaining about twilight - but bol is clearly stronger with dedicated heal setups there.
There is really no basis to complain in pvp. The pet dies a lot and preferable in situation where you´d want to use it as a heal.

iCaliban

Skander wrote: »

Nobody wants to argue that twilight matriarch has a close tooltip with Breath of life but costs less targets 2 people without LoS?

no?

Ok

Is there a reason you think twilight shouldnt be a strong heal? This honestly just sounds like crying about sorcs.

Dracane

iCaliban wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Nobody wants to argue that twilight matriarch has a close tooltip with Breath of life but costs less targets 2 people without LoS?

no?

Ok

Is there a reason you think twilight shouldnt be a strong heal? This honestly just sounds like crying about sorcs.

Because it can die, it needs to be protected by you, because it costs twice the amount of slots than breath of life, it has a summoning time when killed.

Plenty of reasons for it to have some advantages over breath of life.

Skander

Pets dieing


that's a good one

codestripper

Skander wrote: »

Pets dieing


that's a good one

......someone doesn't seem to be aware of the many bugs in this game with pets. Pets still get killed by overland/vMA/PvP (working as intended). BUT pets also still die in many many random places in 4 person and trial content as well. So yes, pets dying....