MagDK is going to be hit hard

kiLLahweSPe

Mag DK isnt underperforming, its in the best spot since Homestead. The only reasonable nerf would be to change the tooltip of killers blade, since everyone compares Mag DK to Stam NB. Which is stupid. NB is overperforming, thats the issue.

Edit: I was salty about the changes to dunmer aswell, but it could be way worse lol. And yea i said it, nerf NB's please.

richo262

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

Mag DK isnt underperforming, its in the best spot since Homestead. The only reasonable nerf would be to change the tooltip of killers blade, since everyone compares Mag DK to Stam NB. Which is stupid. NB is overperforming, thats the issue.

Edit: I was salty about the changes to dunmer aswell, but it could be way worse lol. And yea i said it, nerf NB's please.

I'm not sure what the Stamina Nightblade has to do with the Magicka Dragon Knight.

kiLLahweSPe

richo262 wrote: »

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

Mag DK isnt underperforming, its in the best spot since Homestead. The only reasonable nerf would be to change the tooltip of killers blade, since everyone compares Mag DK to Stam NB. Which is stupid. NB is overperforming, thats the issue.

Edit: I was salty about the changes to dunmer aswell, but it could be way worse lol. And yea i said it, nerf NB's please.

I'm not sure what the Stamina Nightblade has to do with the Magicka Dragon Knight.

Then tell me please in what regard Mag DK is underperforming. This notion comes only up if you compare them to Stam NB since the DK is the strongest magicka spec atm and reasonable strong compared to almost every stam spec.

richo262

I'm pretty sure you are in the wrong thread dude.

kiLLahweSPe

richo262 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you are in the wrong thread dude.

Iam just triggered by the inflational use of the word "underperforming" since its not true. And while we're at it, the changes to Dunmer arent even that bad, since it never really was 7% more flame damage cause the way this stuff gets calculated. If this goes live as it is its most likely a damage increase on Dunmer Mag DK.

kiLLahweSPe

kiLLahweSPe

The difference between Dunmer and Altmer is so small, you wont even notice it.

richo262

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you are in the wrong thread dude.

Iam just triggered by the inflational use of the word "underperforming" since its not true. And while we're at it, the changes to Dunmer arent even that bad, since it never really was 7% more flame damage cause the way this stuff gets calculated. If this goes live as it is its most likely a damage increase on Dunmer Mag DK.

K, the special bus definitely dropped you off in the wrong thread.

Edit: I will say, we only know the paper, yet to see in practice. However, I have no idea where those stats are coming from that you posted, I have seen a different set that shows a substantial nerf. A video I posted earlier.

kiLLahweSPe

richo262 wrote: »

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you are in the wrong thread dude.

Iam just triggered by the inflational use of the word "underperforming" since its not true. And while we're at it, the changes to Dunmer arent even that bad, since it never really was 7% more flame damage cause the way this stuff gets calculated. If this goes live as it is its most likely a damage increase on Dunmer Mag DK.

K, the special bus definitely dropped you off in the wrong thread.

M'kay

kiLLahweSPe

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453612/new-khajiit-vs-altmer-for-magicka

Post number 5, by Masel92, one of the class reps.

richo262

Good post, I see nothing said about the benefits of being a Dunmer, and everyone that is a Dunmer, especially Dunmer mDK, wanting to change their race.

Even if in practice (not paper) if the Dunmer could pull a DPS close to an Altmer / Kitteh mDK in a trial environment with group buffs, which it won't, it has no sustain to keep up its sub par DPS for as long as either of those races. It will hit less, and for a shorter duration.

ak_pvp

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

Mag DK isnt underperforming, its in the best spot since Homestead. The only reasonable nerf would be to change the tooltip of killers blade, since everyone compares Mag DK to Stam NB. Which is stupid. NB is overperforming, thats the issue.

Edit: I was salty about the changes to dunmer aswell, but it could be way worse lol. And yea i said it, nerf NB's please.

I'm not sure what the Stamina Nightblade has to do with the Magicka Dragon Knight.

Then tell me please in what regard Mag DK is underperforming. This notion comes only up if you compare them to Stam NB since the DK is the strongest magicka spec atm and reasonable strong compared to almost every stam spec.

Uh, its... not?
Its equal to magplar ranged. Below Magblade ranged and slightly above Magden and Magsorc, both also ranged. For PvP, maybe? But it depends on what you are doing. Magplar and Magden are both better group builds, Magblade and Magsorc have better mobility/escape. MagDK has better control and can dab on two classes with wings.

Vaerth

richo262 wrote: »

MagDK, already underperforming is now going to take a further hit with the racials.

The most common race, for obvious reasons was the Dunmer. The Dunmer was required, with the extra Flame damage, in order to make the MagDK hit at a reasonable level.

I actually enjoyed playing as MagDK, there is something very satisfying in whipping your enemy across the face with a flaming whip. May not have hit has hard as others, but it was still enjoyable.

If MagDK gets a buff, then all Dunmer MagDK's will just become Altmer MagDK's.

There needs to be some for of buff to MagDK due to it already underperforming and the Dunmers role in that build.

What was once a pretty balanced debate between Altmer / Dunmer as BIS for mag has gone, the winner is clearly Altmer by a mile, for essentially all MagDPS now. Breton has an honorable mention, but Dunmer is out of the race. Dunmer can now Stam but has no sustain, so it falls short to Redguard.

It's a pity, I have just finished leveling my Dunmer MagDK, I am building one of each race, so I don't want a 2nd Altmer (I have an Altmer Sorc). Dunmer just seems lost now, the perfect synergy between Dunmer and the underperforming MagDK is gone.

Dunmer being the MagDK race is WHY the changes are being made.

I like choose a race by lore and appearance, NOT because I have to for passives. I like the changes and welcome them on my Stamina Dunmer.

richo262

Vaerth wrote: »

Dunmer being the MagDK race is WHY the changes are being made.

I like choose a race by lore and appearance, NOT because I have to for passives. I like the changes and welcome them on my Stamina Dunmer.

Source on the claim re intentional ruination of the mDK?

Great, an RP'er that doesn't care about the passives, but simultaneously is happy about the passives. I'm sure your contribution on subjects you openly do not care about always lights up the room.

JumpmanLane

Tawniey wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

The most common race, for obvious reasons was the Dunmer. The Dunmer was required, with the extra Flame damage, in order to make the MagDK hit at a reasonable level.

richo262 wrote: »

If MagDK gets a buff, then all Dunmer MagDK's will just become Altmer MagDK's.

richo262 wrote: »

What was once a pretty balanced debate between Altmer / Dunmer as BIS for mag has gone, the winner is clearly Altmer by a mile, for essentially all MagDPS now.

richo262 wrote: »

Dunmer just seems lost now, the perfect synergy between Dunmer and the underperforming MagDK is gone.

On today's episode of "Why You're Over-Reacting to the Racial Changes":

The new spell damage buff outperforms the old 7% flame damage buff.

Look, I play a Dunmer magdk. I play two of them, actually. Full on Sun and Burning Spellweave and Skoria, all that jazz. Right now, people are fear-mongering because they don't understand the math behind the %->flat changes and what it means for their build. They're scared because they see classes with build diversity potential in their passives and think the new intended racial meta is a nonviable hybrid build. It's just not the case.

Since you like Flame Lash so much, take a look at these two skill tooltips:

I won't ask you to guess which is showing the old and which is showing the new dunmer passives, because you'd likely get it wrong. Instead I'll just repeat myself: The new passive outperforms the old one.

It’s a buff! These folks are nuts. DW Destro with my playstyle everything will hit harder including every light attack I weave inbetween whips. Can’t wait!

richo262

Buff? Joking.

Even if, on the PTS this goes from paper to practice and the DPS loss is not as severe as I think it is, the sustain problem is going to be the next reason I'd change race.

Who knows, I might be wrong on that, maybe ZOS will revise Dunmer. I won't be changing race as soon as I get the token, I'll experiment with it, and probably just shelve my mDK, keeping onto the race change until I'm convinced ZOS has abandoned mDK as a class and/or Dunmer as any form of top end magicka pve dps.

Edit: I'd probably end up turning my Kitteh Stamblade into a Dunmer and my mDK into a Kitteh. That'd require 2 race changes though, and 2 name changes... yay.

JumpmanLane

richo262 wrote: »

Buff? Joking.

Even if, on the PTS this goes from paper to practice and the DPS loss is not as severe as I think it is, the sustain problem is going to be the next reason I'd change race.

Who knows, I might be wrong on that, maybe ZOS will revise Dunmer. I won't be changing race as soon as I get the token, I'll experiment with it, and probably just shelve my mDK, keeping onto the race change until I'm convinced ZOS has abandoned mDK as a class and/or Dunmer as any form of top end magicka pve dps.

Edit: I'd probably end up turning my Kitteh Stamblade into a Dunmer and my mDK into a Kitteh. That'd require 2 race changes though, and 2 name changes... yay.

I’m talking PvP.

Chaos2088

So this should be a Dunmer mag DK thread, not just mag DK......*whistles*

Savos_Saren

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453612/new-khajiit-vs-altmer-for-magicka

Post number 5, by Masel92, one of the class reps.

@kiLLahweSPe

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453551/upcoming-racial-balance-changes-for-update-21#latest

Look at post #1161 by Masel92 in response to my post. He agrees that there is a disparity between Dunmer and Altmer. That post was made after the initial post you linked.

RouDeR

I have only Argonian Mag DK`s because of the superior healing and stats restore, oh wait...

OtarTheMad

How about we wait for it to hit the PTS and test it hm??

FrancisCrawford

RouDeR wrote: »

I have only Argonian Mag DK`s because of the superior healing and stats restore, oh wait...

Having a lizard be a dragon is thematic anyway. It could turn two cosmetic negatives into a positive. That said, I've never tested the theory with an Argonian DK of my own.

Emma_Overload

LOL, root-spamming, wing-flapping MagDKs are most certainly NOT "underperforming"...

Next!

heng14rwb17_ESO

GO ALTMER OR GO CRY !

Lord_Eomer

Dunmer are not supposed to be single class race,

Fire damage is mostly benefiting Mag DK only, race should not favour class.

Change is good and ZOS should never roll back.

Savos_Saren

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dunmer are not supposed to be single class race,

Fire damage is mostly benefiting Mag DK only, race should not favour class.

Change is good and ZOS should never roll back.

High Elf
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.

DK channeled abilities = 0. Sorcerer channeled abilities = 4... x2 for their morphs, of course.


There's no way, of course, that Altmer's passives could possibly have favored Sorcerer... right?


Give Dunmer a small bonus to fire damage if you're going to favor Altmer toward Sorcerers and Bretons toward Templars.

Vecro

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

stamDK since launch...even stuck with it after they took away my fire breath, and replaced it with vomiting acid. MagDK's will survive, don't worry.

You people need to get up off it. There are those of use who like DK for its skills and don't care for all of its graphics. The green animations provide that much more freedom to those of us who don't care for fire or the color red.

josh.lackey_ESO

We don't know what class balance changes will look like. Maybe mag DK will get a flame damage increase from a class passive or even a base damage boost.

WillhelmBlack

It's a lore thing as well. Altmer Dragon Knights, just wrong.

richo262

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

We don't know what class balance changes will look like. Maybe mag DK will get a flame damage increase from a class passive or even a base damage boost.

While that would be nice, that may have PVP consequence, and does not really address the once great synergy Dunmer had with mDK that made the mDK worthwhile.