Pvp performance problems, and everyone knows it.

ol_BANK_lo

Datthaw wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GaryA
I'm sure there are more @ zos buy w/e.

Ok seriously. What's the deal? Like really. There is a stream of threads and no answers. Pvp players are leaving in droves. Performance is horrible. Yadayadayada you have heard it all because there is like 10 post a day about performance

PvP players are getting very frustrated and it's becoming a bit absurd. You really, really, really need to fix this or there will be no more pvp.

And before anyone says "well why don't you just run bgs?"

Well that's apples and oranges comparing cyro to bgs

Just give up something, some kind of acknowledgement, something. If you don't pvp will die, that's a fact. I say this because it's a shame, you advertised cyro hard before the game was even out. Cyrodiil was major selling point for many players and I spent an ungodly amount of time there. But now I just cant even play, lag will always push playes away. I can't play and enjoy a game when I die to some stupid stuff because I couldn't barswap and heal or shield. I can't enjoy and play when I can't even attempt to defend a keep in prime.

Lag will end cyro pvp and it is close to the point of no return already

I've lost so much AP by participating in the big fights at major keeps and then getting kicked just before the AP tick hits. By the time I get back in, the fight is over, we have the keep (or saved the keep), and the AP tick is done. So f'ing frustrating. My internet is great - that isn't the issue. Almost every one of my lag outs is right after a long fight (sometimes during), and then I get back after it's all over. Hundreds of thousands of AP lost.

Datthaw

The people talking about lag is a broken record, I kinda love it. I'm not crazy for keeping this on top of the forums.

Datthaw

La la la la la la la la la......lag

Karmanorway

Vivec server:

Queue - 532, took me 2 hrs to get in.

Finds a group and we head to Alessia that is UA.

Gets to the main gate, everyone freeze and then disconnect.

Try to log in again and again, but game tells me to check my internet connection.

I take 5 min smoke break and try again.

Finally i can login, but have been kicked out from Vivec.

Queue - 678, 2,5 hrs to get in.

This time im Lucky, since i got to play in Vivec for 13 mins this time, then loading screen.

Waiting, 10 mins.. 15 mins.. 23 mins.

Quit the game out of impatience, and log in again... And ofc kicked out again.

Queue - 876 didnt wait to get in, went BGs instead to get permafrosted and Steel tornadoed to death by premades the next 2hrs.

Playtime in Cyrodiil: 19.5 mins
Wait time to play in cyrodiil: 4 hrs 53 mins

Happy mid-year mayhem everyone!

Jaraal

16 man group on Vivec last night storming a keep, next thing I see is 9 group members offline.


But yay! Necromancers and dragons! Yippeee!

Datthaw

Lotus fan is funny atm. It's like I cast and I appear on target 3 seconds later

Datthaw

Man this thing slipped down to page 4, I'm slacking

Datthaw

So yeah uhhhh pvp performance issues

frozywozy

Shantu wrote: »

The vast majority of players I know despise PVP.

The majority of players despise PVP because performances are terrible. If ZOS would have been intelligent, they would have upgrade the game engine, the net code and the server hardwares a few months after release and this game would have had 6-12 active campaigns still with 1500 players in each if not more.

frozywozy

tamrielwinner wrote: »

cyrodiil perf is poor on both client and server end.

it would require a massive monetary investment to improve client performance for the long haul. world of warcraft, with directx12 and new driver updates is finally seeing real benefits to their game over dx11 on both nvidia and amd. they're one of the only companies to actually show results like this. it's a pretty big task and might not be something we see in ESO.

there should have been a dedicated professional team assigned to the server lag seen in cyrodiil for some years now.

With an i7 8700k overclocked at 4.7ghz and a gtx 1080, I get a stable 40frames in any situation in Cyrodiil. I don't believe that there is any major bottle neck or memory leak in this game anymore. You just have to get the appropriated rig, to run proper addons and also know which graphic settings do a considerable impact on the your game client.

Also it helps to delete your Saved variables every 6months or so.

frozywozy

Katahdin wrote: »

They know its a problem
They have said they know its a problem
They removed deer from Cyrodiil to try and help the problem
We had a test a year and a half ago (I think?) to try and diagnose the problem (we never found out the results)
They have (apparently) tried different things here and there
Its still a problem
They know its still a problem
They have refused to talk about it recently
Dunno what else to tell you but they are silent on it right now

ZOS decided to remove the deer from Cyrodiil because apparently they also had passives. Now they are introducing a new class that will summon new entities that will not only have passives but also skills. Can you imagine what Cyrodiil is gonna look like when 50% of the players base has a necromancer fully leveled up? Brilliant.

frozywozy

SilverPaws wrote: »

Give up. Zos are focused on making money and cyro don't make them. So they don't give a crap about us.

It does not mean that they don't make alot of money now that there is not a 100% safe investment medium term that would make this mmo the best in the world for PvP.

Datthaw

frozywozy wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

cyrodiil perf is poor on both client and server end.

it would require a massive monetary investment to improve client performance for the long haul. world of warcraft, with directx12 and new driver updates is finally seeing real benefits to their game over dx11 on both nvidia and amd. they're one of the only companies to actually show results like this. it's a pretty big task and might not be something we see in ESO.

there should have been a dedicated professional team assigned to the server lag seen in cyrodiil for some years now.

With an i7 8700k overclocked at 4.7ghz and a gtx 1080, I get a stable 40frames in any situation in Cyrodiil. I don't believe that there is any major bottle neck or memory leak in this game anymore. You just have to get the appropriated rig, to run proper addons and also know which graphic settings do a considerable impact on the your game client.

Also it helps to delete your Saved variables every 6months or so.

I just dont agree, I know plenty of people with top notch rigs who get lag.

frozywozy

Datthaw wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

cyrodiil perf is poor on both client and server end.

it would require a massive monetary investment to improve client performance for the long haul. world of warcraft, with directx12 and new driver updates is finally seeing real benefits to their game over dx11 on both nvidia and amd. they're one of the only companies to actually show results like this. it's a pretty big task and might not be something we see in ESO.

there should have been a dedicated professional team assigned to the server lag seen in cyrodiil for some years now.

With an i7 8700k overclocked at 4.7ghz and a gtx 1080, I get a stable 40frames in any situation in Cyrodiil. I don't believe that there is any major bottle neck or memory leak in this game anymore. You just have to get the appropriated rig, to run proper addons and also know which graphic settings do a considerable impact on the your game client.

Also it helps to delete your Saved variables every 6months or so.

I just dont agree, I know plenty of people with top notch rigs who get lag.

Did I say that all you had to do was to get a "top notch rig" to have no frames issues? Read again.

Seraphayel

Datthaw

frozywozy wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

cyrodiil perf is poor on both client and server end.

it would require a massive monetary investment to improve client performance for the long haul. world of warcraft, with directx12 and new driver updates is finally seeing real benefits to their game over dx11 on both nvidia and amd. they're one of the only companies to actually show results like this. it's a pretty big task and might not be something we see in ESO.

there should have been a dedicated professional team assigned to the server lag seen in cyrodiil for some years now.

With an i7 8700k overclocked at 4.7ghz and a gtx 1080, I get a stable 40frames in any situation in Cyrodiil. I don't believe that there is any major bottle neck or memory leak in this game anymore. You just have to get the appropriated rig, to run proper addons and also know which graphic settings do a considerable impact on the your game client.

Also it helps to delete your Saved variables every 6months or so.

I just dont agree, I know plenty of people with top notch rigs who get lag.

Did I say that all you had to do was to get a "top notch rig" to have no frames issues? Read again.

Lol yeah turn off addons make sure setting are right blaaaa blaaaaa blaaaaaa. Everyone always tries to throw this and it's just not a miracle fix. So I'll change my statement.

I know people with top notch rigs and programming backgrounds who still catch lag

Morgul667

Are we really running to 5 year anniversary with prehistoric pvp performance?

frozywozy

Datthaw wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

cyrodiil perf is poor on both client and server end.

it would require a massive monetary investment to improve client performance for the long haul. world of warcraft, with directx12 and new driver updates is finally seeing real benefits to their game over dx11 on both nvidia and amd. they're one of the only companies to actually show results like this. it's a pretty big task and might not be something we see in ESO.

there should have been a dedicated professional team assigned to the server lag seen in cyrodiil for some years now.

With an i7 8700k overclocked at 4.7ghz and a gtx 1080, I get a stable 40frames in any situation in Cyrodiil. I don't believe that there is any major bottle neck or memory leak in this game anymore. You just have to get the appropriated rig, to run proper addons and also know which graphic settings do a considerable impact on the your game client.

Also it helps to delete your Saved variables every 6months or so.

I just dont agree, I know plenty of people with top notch rigs who get lag.

Did I say that all you had to do was to get a "top notch rig" to have no frames issues? Read again.

Lol yeah turn off addons make sure setting are right blaaaa blaaaaa blaaaaaa. Everyone always tries to throw this and it's just not a miracle fix. So I'll change my statement.

I know people with top notch rigs and programming backgrounds who still catch lag

I am getting 30-35fps this morning during a large fight in Vivec PC NA on an office computer with a 7 years old graphic card.



The card is rated 100th+ on most popular benchmarks.





If I can get 32 frames with a 7years old setup, I can definitely get 40 with a setup from last year.

Datthaw

It's also 8am on a Monday morning so server population as a whole is down.

Datthaw

Plus I can think of multiple times when my ping and fps is just peachy then spike, spike, spike, or just the random drops.

I mean youre never going to convince me that performance problems are on my end.

Because at this point they just are not

frozywozy

Datthaw wrote: »

Plus I can think of multiple times when my ping and fps is just peachy then spike, spike, spike, or just the random drops.

I mean youre never going to convince me that performance problems are on my end.

Because at this point they just are not

It does not matter if its early morning, all populations are maxed and the screenshot shows a large fight.

I never said that performance problems are on your end. I said that you can get pretty acceptable framerates nowadays when playing in Cyrodiil if you know what you are doing. The major flaw remaining is on the servers, netcode and game engine which make your ping spikes during large fights.

People need to understand the different between client lag (frames) and server lag (ms).

SaintSubwayy

frozywozy wrote: »

tamrielwinner wrote: »

cyrodiil perf is poor on both client and server end.

it would require a massive monetary investment to improve client performance for the long haul. world of warcraft, with directx12 and new driver updates is finally seeing real benefits to their game over dx11 on both nvidia and amd. they're one of the only companies to actually show results like this. it's a pretty big task and might not be something we see in ESO.

there should have been a dedicated professional team assigned to the server lag seen in cyrodiil for some years now.

With an i7 8700k overclocked at 4.7ghz and a gtx 1080, I get a stable 40frames in any situation in Cyrodiil. I don't believe that there is any major bottle neck or memory leak in this game anymore. You just have to get the appropriated rig, to run proper addons and also know which graphic settings do a considerable impact on the your game client.

Also it helps to delete your Saved variables every 6months or so.

Well I know that the Performance CAN be awesome, especially FPS IF ou hvae the propper Hardware...

I just wana give you an example here, whats happening on the Servers (not just PVP) due to this Event.

Yesterday we went for vAS+2 (trying to get immortal redeemer).

1st Try: LA dont register, Boss jumps, but get stucked in mid air for 2seconds, DMG not registering when he lands ect. -> Reset

2nd Try: Everything went nicely, it seems some ppl still have a Bad performance, but we complete the Trial with no major Issues.

3rd Try: Same as First Try -> Reset

4th Try: 140Ms Ping for everybody, LA not registering properly -> Reset

5th Try: Badly played on our side / wipe and Reset

6th Try: Badly played on our side, we get the Kill and Raidevening is over.

Also there is the absolutely Ridonkulous Loadscreens...srsly we needed the same time, just to reset the Trial, than we need to clear it...endless loadscreen are really terrible atm.

so in Summary 50% of the Try we had to reset, because the Servers are Fried out during the Event. And 50% of our Time was wasted by the endless Loadscreens.

This Loadscreen Situation is going on for a while now, we know that, but atleast the Servers have been stable enough untill the Event, now they are just completly overrun by the incoming Data

Datthaw

frozywozy wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Plus I can think of multiple times when my ping and fps is just peachy then spike, spike, spike, or just the random drops.

I mean youre never going to convince me that performance problems are on my end.

Because at this point they just are not

It does not matter if its early morning, all populations are maxed and the screenshot shows a large fight.

I never said that performance problems are on your end. I said that you can get pretty acceptable framerates nowadays when playing in Cyrodiil if you know what you are doing. The major flaw remaining is on the servers, netcode and game engine which make your ping spikes during large fights.

People need to understand the different between client lag (frames) and server lag (ms).

You trying to say there is not performance issues is falling on deaf ears man, I'm not even going to respond to you anymore. Either you're just a zos employee troll or you just don't know better.

frozywozy

Datthaw wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Plus I can think of multiple times when my ping and fps is just peachy then spike, spike, spike, or just the random drops.

I mean youre never going to convince me that performance problems are on my end.

Because at this point they just are not

It does not matter if its early morning, all populations are maxed and the screenshot shows a large fight.

I never said that performance problems are on your end. I said that you can get pretty acceptable framerates nowadays when playing in Cyrodiil if you know what you are doing. The major flaw remaining is on the servers, netcode and game engine which make your ping spikes during large fights.

People need to understand the different between client lag (frames) and server lag (ms).

You trying to say there is not performance issues is falling on deaf ears man, I'm not even going to respond to you anymore. Either you're just a zos employee troll or you just don't know better.

You keep mentioning that I say there is no performances issues. You have a big reading comprehension problem. There is really no point in discussing a subject if you cannot understand english and keep twisting my words around.

Datthaw

Lag is lag
Lag is cyro

Datthaw

frozywozy wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Plus I can think of multiple times when my ping and fps is just peachy then spike, spike, spike, or just the random drops.

I mean youre never going to convince me that performance problems are on my end.

Because at this point they just are not

It does not matter if its early morning, all populations are maxed and the screenshot shows a large fight.

I never said that performance problems are on your end. I said that you can get pretty acceptable framerates nowadays when playing in Cyrodiil if you know what you are doing. The major flaw remaining is on the servers, netcode and game engine which make your ping spikes during large fights.

People need to understand the different between client lag (frames) and server lag (ms).

You trying to say there is not performance issues is falling on deaf ears man, I'm not even going to respond to you anymore. Either you're just a zos employee troll or you just don't know better.

You keep mentioning that I say there is no performances issues. You have a big reading comprehension problem. There is really no point in discussing a subject if you cannot understand english and keep twisting my words around.

I'm not twisting anything it's just nothing is stable in cyro. I stated earlier I'm not a tech guy so yeah the fps may or may not be on my end. But I still rubber band, catch load screens, get hit with weird desyncs, frigging crash. You just make it sound like its addons addons graphic settings when it it's well beyond that.

yodased

There are many valid criticisms of the game, but trying to rationalize fixing pvp systems because they advertised pvp 5 years ago is silly.

The amount of shifts and outright changes, deletions and additions to the game do not warrant comparisons to launch claims.

They also said they would shutter the game before losing subs.

Removal of faction lock with one tamriel is the tipping point of this games focus.

Datthaw

yodased wrote: »

There are many valid criticisms of the game, but trying to rationalize fixing pvp systems because they advertised pvp 5 years ago is silly.

The amount of shifts and outright changes, deletions and additions to the game do not warrant comparisons to launch claims.

They also said they would shutter the game before losing subs.

Removal of faction lock with one tamriel is the tipping point of this games focus.

that..... is a pretty valid point.

But you can't just look past the fact that pvp is a core component to this game

Datthaw

Alert, alert...

Even kyne has lag tonight

Datthaw

We are but pawns in the lag machine