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PSA: Zone chat is full of trolls/sensitive people that will report you - Lesson learned
Perwulf
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As a guy who likes to keep his record clean, I am still kinda salty about this because this is my first offense since 2014 but I feel the need to warn the public to avoid this kind of incident so be careful on what you say specially for those of you who likes to socialized, hang out, and help newbies in zone chat.
Before you judge me, hear me out. I did not intend nor bare any kind of ill will towards the involved parties and yet I was reported for hate speech but, surprisingly, hours passed and no one reacted in the zone chat but instead we were calmly talking about topic like adults and even joke about it. To be clear, this was not a troll or raging moments in zone chat, in fact, we were just talking about something that has led to a chain of events to the topic at hand which is the Scottish comedian that has gotten a lawsuit because he taught his pug to do a German (I will not say the N word anymore) salute.
My offense was, I cited some of his said words from his video as an example while I was sharing his tragic incident. I already talked to support about this but they are basing the offense from what you type instead of what the intention is which is understandable so no hard feelings to support.
That said, lesson is learned. I will probably refrain from answering questions, helping, whispering back to strangers from zone chat in the future because everything seems offensive now a days.
Before you judge me, hear me out. I did not intend nor bare any kind of ill will towards the involved parties and yet I was reported for hate speech but, surprisingly, hours passed and no one reacted in the zone chat but instead we were calmly talking about topic like adults and even joke about it. To be clear, this was not a troll or raging moments in zone chat, in fact, we were just talking about something that has led to a chain of events to the topic at hand which is the Scottish comedian that has gotten a lawsuit because he taught his pug to do a German (I will not say the N word anymore) salute.
My offense was, I cited some of his said words from his video as an example while I was sharing his tragic incident. I already talked to support about this but they are basing the offense from what you type instead of what the intention is which is understandable so no hard feelings to support.
That said, lesson is learned. I will probably refrain from answering questions, helping, whispering back to strangers from zone chat in the future because everything seems offensive now a days.
"Monsters doesn't exist, we create them"
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Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm fairly non-PC as my friends will attest but you have to bear in mind that just because you didn't originally create the content or even if you don't endorse the content, sharing offensive content is a no-no.
I'm sorry for you but to be fair, it's a given that you don't refer to certain topics while on a public forum. I'm not saying I agree with that but it is the way things are going.
Fairly soon, there will be a list of terms that are unusable in any context.All my housing builds are available on YouTube
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did ZOS reprimand you? I doubt it. People will report you for beating them 1v1. Who cares, move on.3 -
Perwulf✭✭✭✭✭I'm fairly non-PC as my friends will attest but you have to bear in mind that just because you didn't originally create the content or even if you don't endorse the content, sharing offensive content is a no-no.
I'm sorry for you but to be fair, it's a given that you don't refer to certain topics while on a public forum. I'm not saying I agree with that but it is the way things are going.
Fairly soon, there will be a list of terms that are unusable in any context.
That's kind of unfair because it is suppression but I get your point.Did ZOS reprimand you? I doubt it. People will report you for beating them 1v1. Who cares, move on.
No, just a warning. This is my first, that's why I'm surprised because there's also the fact that no one reacted in the zone chat while the conversation went on peacefully.
My suspicion, this feels like a troll found an opportunity to report something that happens to be counted as offensive even though the intention was not so here I am reminding people so they can avoid this kind of incident in the future.
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BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm fairly non-PC as my friends will attest but you have to bear in mind that just because you didn't originally create the content or even if you don't endorse the content, sharing offensive content is a no-no.
I'm sorry for you but to be fair, it's a given that you don't refer to certain topics while on a public forum. I'm not saying I agree with that but it is the way things are going.
Fairly soon, there will be a list of terms that are unusable in any context.
That's kind of unfair because it is suppression but I get your point.
Suppression of what?
When you go to somebodies home you are obligated to oblige by their rules. Some applies to private establishments that you are guest in.
Even in public, freedoms have limitations. Chiefly that the do not interfere with anyone else's freedoms. Freedom of Speech has never been, and never intended to be carte Blanche to say whatever you want wherever you want to whomever you want.Edited by BigBragg on November 24, 2018 8:31AM11 -
Perwulf✭✭✭✭✭I'm fairly non-PC as my friends will attest but you have to bear in mind that just because you didn't originally create the content or even if you don't endorse the content, sharing offensive content is a no-no.
I'm sorry for you but to be fair, it's a given that you don't refer to certain topics while on a public forum. I'm not saying I agree with that but it is the way things are going.
Fairly soon, there will be a list of terms that are unusable in any context.
That's kind of unfair because it is suppression but I get your point.
Suppression of what?
When you go to somebodies home you are obligated to oblige by their rules. Some applies to private establishments that you are guest in.
Even in public, freedoms have limitations. Chiefly that the do not interfere with anyone else's freedoms. Freedom of Speech has never been, and never intended to be carte Blanche to say whatever you want wherever you want to whomever you want.That's kind of unfair because it is suppression but I get your point.
Edit: Additional bolds
Edited by Perwulf on November 24, 2018 8:37AM"Monsters doesn't exist, we create them"0 -
Sanctuary_Reaper✭✭✭✭✭Mate im with you, the things people get upset about these days are kinda pathetic, the things you read in the news, see on tv etc, there is a whole host of nonsense that goes on.
The one that springs to mind for me was on a program (in the uk) i dont know where you are based by the way, but the person on tv was complaining, that training dogs to be guide dogs or sight seeing dogs was cruel because they werent asked or there permission wasnt recieved, WHAT? i mean really, its pathetic whats going on now.
Please remember this quote by a very good comedian.
"Offense is never given, it's only ever taken" Jimmy Carr8 -
Perwulf✭✭✭✭✭Sanctuary_Reaper wrote: »Mate im with you, the things people get upset about these days are kinda pathetic, the things you read in the news, see on tv etc, there is a whole host of nonsense that goes on.
The one that springs to mind for me was on a program (in the uk) i dont know where you are based by the way, but the person on tv was complaining, that training dogs to be guide dogs or sight seeing dogs was cruel because they werent asked or there permission wasnt recieved, WHAT? i mean really, its pathetic whats going on now.
Please remember this quote by a very good comedian.
"Offense is never given, it's only ever taken" Jimmy Carr
That's absurd.
Training dogs to be a guide or more specifically; giving them roles, is actually making a dog more happy because they get a sense of purpose. There's also the fact that, for them to see their owners pleased and happy on what they did is probably the best gift you can ever give to a dog.
Edited by Perwulf on November 24, 2018 9:17AM"Monsters doesn't exist, we create them"2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If your intent wasn't clear from what you actually wrote, maybe you should work on that. Then if someone is offended, you can at least prove your intentions.1 -
Kilnerdyne✭✭✭✭✭Zone chat is a reminder of the state of humanity globally, we are a terrible species in general.9
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lesson that should be learned is that some subjects have no business being talked about in a video game.
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✭✭✭✭Fairly soon, there will be a list of terms that are unusable in any context.
That's pretty much the point of the comedian in question's predicament.
Better visit the (word I can't say even though it's the actual name) museum before any and all (group I can't say even though they're a historical group) references are removed.
After all, the worst part about censorship is <snip>.
To the OP: this might get closed, discussing moderation is also off limits.Edited by DocFrost72 on November 24, 2018 3:22PM1 -
Perwulf✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Lesson that should be learned is that some subjects have no business being talked about in a video game.
It was unintentional, just so happens that what we're talking about ealrier has lead to a chain of events to the topic at hand.StormChaser3000 wrote: »Unless there is something else OP doesn't mention sound like he became a victim of infamous PC-people.
Well I wouldn't mention what I literally said because I might get banned this time but here's a feeble attempt to make it look non-offensive as possible. As I've said, I cited some of what the Scottish comedian said as an example while we're talking about him.
These two were the reasons why I've gotten a warning.- Did you want to (this involves killing)
- Translated: Hail victory (Apparently ZOS finds the German version offensive.)
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uh why did it not occur to you to take your ‘dank’ chat to private message? Then if you got reported you would know who and why.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's a time and a place to discuss such things. The zone chat of a videogame... isn't one of them
Kilnerdyne wrote: »Zone chat is a reminder of the state of humanity globally, we are a terrible species in general.
I've worked in retail for 2 yrs. I've seen the "Dark Side of Humanity"..."Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Perwulf✭✭✭✭✭There's a time and a place to discuss such things. The zone chat of a videogame... isn't one of them
Can I quote this and put it in my original post? I feel that this will be more understandable yet so simple for what I'm trying to say in this PSA."Monsters doesn't exist, we create them"0 -
MilwaukeeScott✭✭✭✭✭The word *** is hate speech?
How will we tell which N word we're talking about?PS4NA
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AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My thinking is that zone chat is for discussing ESO and ESO only. Since I'm obviously in the minority, I do not regularly monitor it. The only reason I would monitor zone would be for comments like: 'LF help with WB X' or 'LF healer for N pledges' or even 'Where is the Elden Root Fighters Guild?'. Trouble is, any comments like that get buried in the spam so I've unfortunately deemed zone chat as worthless.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MilwaukeeScott wrote: »The word *** is hate speech?
Oddly enough, so is my password on most websites. :shrug: What is the world coming to?
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MilwaukeeScott✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »MilwaukeeScott wrote: »The word *** is hate speech?
Oddly enough, so is my password on most websites. :shrug: What is the world coming to?
Deep man, deep
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Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Welcome to the age of feelings where your guilt has already been predetermined.
only a few years left to go now....
Current ideas for ESO improvement
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MilwaukeeScott✭✭✭✭✭Why should ANY speech be banned?
PS4NA
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭A little common sense goes a long way. If you think for a moment that any of 1000 people viewing zone chat could get offended (probably due to their own misunderstanding), best to refrain.
Not worth the time trying to explain to a brilliant CSR why some brilliant player is completely misinterpretting whatever you were throwing out there.
That said, Zone chat not intended for IRL conversations. People come to the game to get away from that crap, not see it debated to no end in a game zone.
TL;DR: Whether you intended to offend or not, you did this to yourself.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS2 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People who complain about being blocked/reported, are likely trolls/provocateurs/jerks who deserved it.
And then try to hide behind stuff like "snowflakes" "oversensitive" "freeze peach!" andSanctuary_Reaper wrote: »"Offense is never given, it's only ever taken" Jimmy Carr
...bull like this. ^
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Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a guy who likes to keep his record clean, I am still kinda salty about this because this is my first offense since 2014 but I feel the need to warn the public to avoid this kind of incident so be careful on what you say specially for those of you who likes to socialized, hang out, and help newbies in zone chat.
Before you judge me, hear me out. I did not intend nor bare any kind of ill will towards the involved parties and yet I was reported for hate speech but, surprisingly, hours passed and no one reacted in the zone chat but instead we were calmly talking about topic like adults and even joke about it. To be clear, this was not a troll or raging moments in zone chat, in fact, we were just talking about something that has led to a chain of events to the topic at hand which is the Scottish comedian that has gotten a lawsuit because he taught his pug to do a German (I will not say the N word anymore) salute.
My offense was, I cited some of his said words from his video as an example while I was sharing his tragic incident. I already talked to support about this but they are basing the offense from what you type instead of what the intention is which is understandable so no hard feelings to support.
That said, lesson is learned. I will probably refrain from answering questions, helping, whispering back to strangers from zone chat in the future because everything seems offensive now a days.
Yep, too many people out there looking to be offended by anything and everything. And too many game companies jumping on the P.C. Bandwagon to enforce whatever someone deems to be hate speech. Hate speech laws are absurd. Sticks and Stones.....I am not offended by anything and couldn't care less what people write in Chat.
Oh, one more thing: If people don't like what they see in Chat all they have to do is not look at it or just close the Chat box. But instead, they want to make an issue of anything and everything and feel like they accomplished something by reporting someone. Sad times we live in.Edited by Trinity_Is_My_Name on November 24, 2018 5:54PM3 -
Abigail✭✭✭✭✭When I first started playing this game I joined a guild and participated in all the group activities.
I don't swear in public, ever. It's not that I don't know the words, I just don't like them. That said, I've never asked anyone to watch their language, nor have I ever suggested I was uncomfortable.
During the last group run I did in in ESO (six months ago), one of the guys decided to tease me about my absence of epithets -- he started dropping continuous f-bombs. Others in the group joined in, and this went on for several minutes.
As I suggested, I don't see it as my place to modify others' behavior; so, I merely indicated I was tired and dropped from the group. I've stayed with the guild, but have never done another event, have quit Discord altogether, and I never use the chat feature in the game.
Too many people fail to grasp the essential difference between good manners and political correctness, and just because we can say things doesn't mean we necessarily should.4 -
Synthwavius✭✭✭✭I never used zone chat in ESO because after years of playing shooters I could crash some fragile ego without even realizing.
Now I'm even I'm certain I won't do it. Thanks! 0 -
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This, ZOS is free to demand that khajiit characters don't use the world I or me in zone chat, they has to use this one, Khajiit or character nameI'm fairly non-PC as my friends will attest but you have to bear in mind that just because you didn't originally create the content or even if you don't endorse the content, sharing offensive content is a no-no.
I'm sorry for you but to be fair, it's a given that you don't refer to certain topics while on a public forum. I'm not saying I agree with that but it is the way things are going.
Fairly soon, there will be a list of terms that are unusable in any context.
That's kind of unfair because it is suppression but I get your point.
Suppression of what?
When you go to somebodies home you are obligated to oblige by their rules. Some applies to private establishments that you are guest in.
Even in public, freedoms have limitations. Chiefly that the do not interfere with anyone else's freedoms. Freedom of Speech has never been, and never intended to be carte Blanche to say whatever you want wherever you want to whomever you want.
Their game, their rules. Granted they should be consistent but overall this.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
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