When is Skoria being adjusted on par with other monster sets?

Mayrael

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Wow, another Nerf thread.

they dont care.
all the threads today are made with nerf in them is not made out of balance, no, they are made out of revenge.
if zenimax nerfed their class or skill or w/e, then in return they spam threads requesting nerfs on other peoples class or skill or w/e.

this is not about balance, this is about Revenge!
i hate it, i wish this would end, but i dont think it ever will.

This one of the most accurate comments on nerf threads I have ever seen.

kaithuzar

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Skoria hits around 5k to a naked target. Spell resist eats up to 50%, plus blocking, plus Minor Maim, Major/Minor Protection reduces the damage even more and in the end you end up with whooping 1k damage if you are lucky.
If you nerf the damage it will be absolutely useless.

On a dark elf user casting it on a vampire it hits like 10-15k

Most people don’t build to be able to have & maintain every mitigation in the game as you have listed.
Do you even know the methods & how many exist for gaining minor & major protection?

Skoria hitting 15k on a player? What a ridiculous lie, what an insane lie. How did you think were gonna get away with saying that Valkyn Skoria hits for Fifteen Thousand damage against another player character.

Did you think nobody would notice the most obvious lie in human history?

I’ve been playing this game so long it’s possible I was thinking back when monster sets could crit.

But just to test it I’ll post pics when I get home & see what’s the highest I get.

Chilly-McFreeze

kaithuzar wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Skoria hits around 5k to a naked target. Spell resist eats up to 50%, plus blocking, plus Minor Maim, Major/Minor Protection reduces the damage even more and in the end you end up with whooping 1k damage if you are lucky.
If you nerf the damage it will be absolutely useless.

On a dark elf user casting it on a vampire it hits like 10-15k

Most people don’t build to be able to have & maintain every mitigation in the game as you have listed.
Do you even know the methods & how many exist for gaining minor & major protection?

Skoria hitting 15k on a player? What a ridiculous lie, what an insane lie. How did you think were gonna get away with saying that Valkyn Skoria hits for Fifteen Thousand damage against another player character.

Did you think nobody would notice the most obvious lie in human history?

I’ve been playing this game so long it’s possible I was thinking back when monster sets could crit.

But just to test it I’ll post pics when I get home & see what’s the highest I get.

Always great to see somebody using years long outdated data to justify or ask for nerfs. But as a dark elf skoria user I can tell you that you won't ever see even 7k hits. I play mostly in vamp stage 4 and neither do I hit, nor do I get hit by it with such numbers ever.

idk

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Over the years of nerfs buffs and renerfs skoria has stood the test in time. Once upon a time only the best players had access to the helm. At this point it has been unscathed through so many balance changes it would almost be a disservice to nerf it. Its like seeing a nintendo 64 controller that still works like brand new.

Skoria has gone through nerfs.

Derra

BuildMan wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Skoria hits around 5k to a naked target. Spell resist eats up to 50%, plus blocking, plus Minor Maim, Major/Minor Protection reduces the damage even more and in the end you end up with whooping 1k damage if you are lucky.
If you nerf the damage it will be absolutely useless.

On a dark elf user casting it on a vampire it hits like 10-15k

Most people don’t build to be able to have & maintain every mitigation in the game as you have listed.
Do you even know the methods & how many exist for gaining minor & major protection?

Skoria hitting 15k on a player? What a ridiculous lie, what an insane lie. How did you think were gonna get away with saying that Valkyn Skoria hits for Fifteen Thousand damage against another player character.

Did you think nobody would notice the most obvious lie in human history?

I would agree with this, 15k is a great deal more then I was hit for when I had my warden as a light armor vampire. Highest I recall was 6-7k.

Yeah same - highest skoria i´ve hit someone for was in noCP on a magDK target debuffed by eledrain + breath + vamp resulting 7800 dmg hit.

DeadlyRecluse

kaithuzar wrote: »

it hits like 10-15k

If skoria hit for 10-15k, I'd use it a lot more.

Soris wrote: »

whooping 1k damage

If skoria hit for 1k, I'd use it a lot less.


But that's not really the point--I use skoria occasionally, I think it has fair proc mechanics (dots only, delayed damage) but the telegraph really should have a small visual component. Other proc sets were moved towards that model (visual cue, some more subtle than others, and delayed damage) and it seems to work pretty well.

Derra

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

it hits like 10-15k

If skoria hit for 10-15k, I'd use it a lot more.

Soris wrote: »

whooping 1k damage

If skoria hit for 1k, I'd use it a lot less.


But that's not really the point--I use skoria occasionally, I think it has fair proc mechanics (dots only, delayed damage) but the telegraph really should have a small visual component. Other proc sets were moved towards that model (visual cue, some more subtle than others, and delayed damage) and it seems to work pretty well.

Tbh - i have no issue with the cues it gives you.

For me having unavoidable proccdmg is problematic if it´s a relatively high burst hit. Proccburst should not be unavoidable.
Selene, velidreth and nerien'eth are way better balanced in that regard imo (though nerieneth has too much delay).
They´re avoidable without spending resources. That´s how it should be.

DeadlyRecluse

Derra wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

it hits like 10-15k

If skoria hit for 10-15k, I'd use it a lot more.

Soris wrote: »

whooping 1k damage

If skoria hit for 1k, I'd use it a lot less.


But that's not really the point--I use skoria occasionally, I think it has fair proc mechanics (dots only, delayed damage) but the telegraph really should have a small visual component. Other proc sets were moved towards that model (visual cue, some more subtle than others, and delayed damage) and it seems to work pretty well.

Tbh - i have no issue with the cues it gives you.

For me having unavoidable proccdmg is problematic if it´s a relatively high burst hit. Proccburst should not be unavoidable.
Selene, velidreth and nerien'eth are way better balanced in that regard imo (though nerieneth has too much delay).
They´re avoidable without spending resources. That´s how it should be.

Yeah, I don't disagree with that, tbh. I don't really have a problem with the current way to avoid skoria (block for a quarter second, laugh), but admittedly it's more resources than the half second of pivoting needed to avoid most monster sets.

Xvorg

haakira wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Skoria hits around 5k to a naked target. Spell resist eats up to 50%, plus blocking, plus Minor Maim, Major/Minor Protection reduces the damage even more and in the end you end up with whooping 1k damage if you are lucky.
If you nerf the damage it will be absolutely useless.

Nobody is wanting the damage to be nerfed. Only that it has a visual indicator on par with changes that have occurred to the other monster sets and, possibly, being able to dodge it.

Also, it absolutely does not do 1k damage, at least in No CP which is what I play. I have plenty of screenshots if you want, always over 4k at least.

I want a visual indicator of fear too

DHale

If you die to Skoria its a player opportunity. Same as poison injection this means you you were in execute range < 25 % and needed to heal.

TheStealthDude

I think it also should be mentioned that Skoria has another counter that most other proc sets dont:

Purge.

You are almost completely reliant on the enemy keeping those DoTs on themselves OR standing inside your ground AoE in order to get consistent and reliable procs from Skoria.

Merlin13KAGL

kaithuzar wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Skoria hits around 5k to a naked target. Spell resist eats up to 50%, plus blocking, plus Minor Maim, Major/Minor Protection reduces the damage even more and in the end you end up with whooping 1k damage if you are lucky.
If you nerf the damage it will be absolutely useless.

On a dark elf user casting it on a vampire it hits like 10-15k

Most people don’t build to be able to have & maintain every mitigation in the game as you have listed.
Do you even know the methods & how many exist for gaining minor & major protection?

No-CP Dunmer hitting a stage 4 vamp puts the tooltip at 6k after battle spirit, and that's with zero mitigation ~ no armor at all.

Gonna call ***.

Soris

kaithuzar wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Skoria hits around 5k to a naked target. Spell resist eats up to 50%, plus blocking, plus Minor Maim, Major/Minor Protection reduces the damage even more and in the end you end up with whooping 1k damage if you are lucky.
If you nerf the damage it will be absolutely useless.

On a dark elf user casting it on a vampire it hits like 10-15k

Most people don’t build to be able to have & maintain every mitigation in the game as you have listed.
Do you even know the methods & how many exist for gaining minor & major protection?

Most people dont stack them yes but most of them have at least one, even blocking.. People tend to block when they are about to die, so they are naturally flat-out mitigating 50% of its damage. And the sources are quite common actually; pirate skeleton, heroic slash, wizard ripostle, templar spear wall passive etc. I have a templar build constantly having major and minor protection plus minor maim through skelly, ripostle and spear wall passive while maintaining good amount of burst and pressure damage in light armor.

Damage is already telegraphed too. There is a clear sound cue when it is about to drop on you, so it gives you time to block or shield. I'm all ok for either louder sound cue with increased the animation travel time or a meteor-type telegraph around your feet. Just not the damage.