Disappointed: You can no longer change abilities while in combat

Tsukiino

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Best unintended feature, but good bye my old friend...

Kel

Is that something you could do on PC? As far as I remember, it's always been that way on console.

Seri

jabrone77 wrote: »

Is that something you could do on PC? As far as I remember, it's always been that way on console.

You could never change in 'active' combat, but used to be able to swap abilities in and out if you hadn't been hit or hit anything for 15s or so - even if you were still in a 'combat' state. Useful if you were in a group where someone else was fighting nearby (rest of group is ahead of you in a dungeon clearing trash, or you were in Cyro inside a keep while other members were outside), or a templar (almost permanently 'in combat').

firedrgn

Um i always got a message that you could not do that in combat.

How where u able to is ehat i would like to know

Tasear

Unfortunately it was a bug...but I do admit it was fun.

Maybe someday we will have a feature like it.

pzschrek

I wouldn’t mind it if the states of being in or out of combat made more sense.

D0PAMINE

Yeah I remember being able to do this sometimes, seemed like a bug.

GaunterODim

You were able to do that when you didnt get hit or didnt hit anything for quite a while. Dont know why one would want to change that.
It still happens so often that you dont leave combat after a fight in cyrodiil and cant mount because of that and now you cant even swap in rapids for the walk to the next keep.

Terrible change imo. Literally after the first fight I had in this patch I got bugged in combat in a situation where it wasnt supposed to.
I was solo on the way between keeps from ash upwards, one single guy crossed my way, killed him, Combat for 3 minutes after, walked to aleswell, slowly.
I dont understand why they would change that when all that locked in combat stuff doesnt get adressed.

Tasear

GaunterODim wrote: »

You were able to do that when you didnt get hit or didnt hit anything for quite a while. Dont know why one would want to change that.
It still happens so often that you dont leave combat after a fight in cyrodiil and cant mount because of that and now you cant even swap in rapids for the walk to the next keep.

Terrible change imo. Literally after the first fight I had in this I got bugged in combat in a situation where it wasnt supposed to.
I was solo on the way between keeps from ash upwards, one single guy crossed my way, killed him, Combat for 3 minutes after, walked to aleswell, slowly.
I dont understand why they would change that when all that locked in combat stuff doesnt get adressed.

What kind of situations are you locked out of combat?

GaunterODim

Not sure if Im misunderstanding, but the problem is being locked in, not out of combat. Thought the example I gave would be alright for that matter or what do you mean? @Tasear

Apherius

If you buy oil or any other siege weapons, you won't be able to slot them if there is some enemies trying to take the keep, you need to ride fare away from them then slot your oil and come back lel... How is that even logic ?

or sometimes you are stuck with rapid on your bar

idk

@Tasear

There have been multiple threads of how we are stuck in combat and how it has become worse with the Murkmire update. Granted, it has been in the game to varying degrees, but again it is noticeably worse now. Even with the multiple threads I have noticed Zos has not marked any for the Dev Tracker.

The examples I have provided in other threads are as followed.

I have left active combat at an outpost to change a skill. I was not grouped and combat did not follow me. I walked all the way to the next keep, into the outer wall and into the keep itself and was still in combat for a bit.

That is a pretty long time for nothing happening around me and combat between players is marked on the map. BTW, I was not on my healer at the time I walked away from combat. Healing, and iirc regen specifically, used to cause in combat bug for extended times. This is well beyond that and I do not experience it any more or less when I am on my healers which is most of the time.

Again, not grouped but no combat near me. No player or NPC was near me and I ended up in combat. And once again it took minutes to get out of combat. No reason to be in combat in the first place.

I have even died and resurrected at the home base that is a completely safe area and was still in combat.

It is disappointing, to say the least, that Zos would make the changes they made for changing skills, armor and quick slots without addressing the well known in-combat bug and somehow even made it worse.

BTW, being stuck in combat for an extended period of time has occurred in PvE areas as well, but less frequently.

Beardimus

We never could on console!!

However what is more of an issue is length of time stuck in combat, what the markers are for that and timings. The worst being changing a quick slot item on a siege etc

arun_rajputb16_ESO

It was a bug and they intentionally fixed it. It's in the patch notes. I find it annoying. I like to switch in
and out steel tornado on my stam dk when fighting trash mobs and bosses, which when you have someone burning through the dungeon isnt possible now

Zer0oo

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/444227/stuck-in-combat-who-was-the-evil-master-mind-behind-the-murkmire-changes

I am pretty sure all ppl could do it even on console. We do not talk here about switching skills in an active fight but rather being in combat but not damaging or healing something. Meaning you did go away from the fight but are for some reason still in the fight because of teammates or something else. You could just manually get to your skill bar and change out some skills. Really useful if you forget to unslot rapids, need a aoe skill in pve,....

Gargath

When I tried to switch, the ability disappeared from skill bar (empty slot) but I could not put there a new ability. Really annoying.

zaria

Zer0oo wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/444227/stuck-in-combat-who-was-the-evil-master-mind-behind-the-murkmire-changes

I am pretty sure all ppl could do it even on console. We do not talk here about switching skills in an active fight but rather being in combat but not damaging or healing something. Meaning you did go away from the fight but are for some reason still in the fight because of teammates or something else. You could just manually get to your skill bar and change out some skills. Really useful if you forget to unslot rapids, need a aoe skill in pve,....

Yes, Cyrodil is the obvious one, your group is involved in an siege but you stand on the ground inside trying to add siege to your slots.
Also in dungeons especially then using dressing room for bar setups, on healer I tend to have gears who go from combat prayer and BoL upo to trial healing so if some rush it can be problems.

MajBludd

It's great when you can't slot siege and stand helpless as a group rams the fd.

znrk

The problem is not that we cannot slot items or skills while in combat. That's how it should be, we should not be allowed to do that while in combat.

The problem is that we are in combat while we really should not. That's the root of the issue here.

It became more apparent in Murkmire when they "fixed" the former without touching the latter.

Thanks to that, starting Murkmire:
a) my group pals are fighting outside of the keep, I am safe inside and I am in combat and I can't reslot items or skills
b) my group pals are fighitng inside the keep, I am far away outside, safe, and I am in combat and I can't reslot items or skills

I stumble upon similar issues in PvE in group instances as well as in open world. Obviously these are not that annoying because I am not under that kind of pressure when in PvP, but yeah.

Claudman

It's especially annoying when in groups.

TrinityBreaker

jabrone77 wrote: »

Is that something you could do on PC? As far as I remember, it's always been that way on console.

In Wolf hunter patch(aka last patch) you could swap out abilities while active combat and even while being dead. In this patch they fixed so you can no longer do such a beautiful while in combat.

Reverb

They shouldn't have fixed this until they fixed the "stuck in combat" bug. It's insulting that they "fixed" it so we can't change skills or quickslot items for minutes and minutes after disengaging from a fight, but they can't fix the reason we need to.

idk

Reverb wrote: »

They shouldn't have fixed this until they fixed the "stuck in combat" bug. It's insulting that they "fixed" it so we can't change skills or quickslot items for minutes and minutes after disengaging from a fight, but they can't fix the reason we need to.

Exactly what I have been saying, yet they actually made it worse.

Davor

Tasear wrote: »

Unfortunately it was a bug...but I do admit it was fun.

Maybe someday we will have a feature like it.

Only if Zenimax Online Studios couldn't fix it. Since they were able to fix it, I don't think it will become a feature".

WrathOfInnos

This is really a pain in Blackrose Prison. Where gates close immediately when you rez after a wipe and combat starts a few seconds later. The only safe way to swap skills or gear during a round is to wipe and have all four people wayshrine.

Pink_Violinz

It's probably my least favorite change this entire patch. I could previously quickly slot purge, or put on crushing shock if a dps forgot. Just doing vBRP last night it was incredibly inconvenient when the rounds instantly start, with little to no time to swap a skill without the team wayshrining. Need to take off altar because the boss keeps destroying you when you cast it? Gotta wayshrine, otherwise the round will start in .2 seconds and it'll waste a spot on your bar. God forbid you change it the very second after the boss aggros, amiright?

Jhalin

I hate this change, it was completely unnecessary and unwanted. If you enter a BG match now it is never possible to change your skills to adapt to the enemy team compositions