Daily Login Rewards for ESO+ members VS non subscribers

Blacknight841

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

The value of the eso plus membership grows with each dlc, this month it did not go

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Daily login rewards and ESO+ are entirely separate things. One has nothing to do with the other. Everyone, regardless of + or no +, get exactly the same thing. If a reward has no value to you, it doesn't matter because you didn't pay for it.....it was free.....nothing gained, nothing lost.

But you DO pay for it as a plus member.

Would you feel the same way if the daily login reward was a free month of ESO plus for the next month. However, if you are already an eso plus member you don’t get the free month unless you cancel your eso plus. Would you just keep the membership and pay for the month just because it’s nothing gained.

Yes, and I would be happy for those that got the free month.

Sure maybe you are fine wasting a months worth of subscription, I probably wouldn’t be bothered by a month of wasted eso plus either But would you keep paying that subscription every month, If the daily login reward was a free month of eso plus, every month you successfully login on for all the rewards. Would you just still be happy for them and thrilled to pay the 180$ annually to get something you already have because you are logging in every day.

You DO know that they do occasionally offer free trials of ESO+? Do you think I should feel cheated because I can't get the free trial unless I cancel my +? Because, I don't feel cheated. It doesn't bother me if someone else gets something that I'm not getting. I AM happy for them and I continue to enjoy my game. Don't sweat the small stuff!

That’s exactly why they give crown crates to eso plus members during that time period.

temjiu

Personally, I think that your average ESO+ Member probably already logs in more regularly and frequently then your average non-EOS+ member. This could be why this months rewards catered towards the Non crowd.

Although I do understand your point. it really is a wash for Subs (who are active). However, I don't believe that the reward in itself will "prevent" Subs from logging in...most probably will unless they are taking a break, in which case they probably won't log in, no matter what the reward is.

That's How I usually am. Except in extreme situations (like that event that dropped a ton of motifs from crafting...crafted till my eyes bled on that one), I think that most rewards are taken in stride by most Subs. They don't sub for the rewards, they sub for the game.

To finish, I support what Yodased pointed out. you don't own a DLC unless you actually buy it, sub or no. Subs merely get the DLC content available as long as they sub, whereas this reward will unlock the murkmire content permanently for your account.

mayasunrising

Blacknight841 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

They get a lot of things.

You have no idea the reasoning why ZOS is offering these items, you can guess like we all can but presenting information that is your opinion as fact is not cool.

They reward paying subscribers with the subscription benefit, which is irrelevant to the daily log in rewards.

You are simply self-centered.

Either you are not reading what I am saying, or you are not comprehending. There’s is no point to eso plus members logging in every day of the month to get something they already have access to. I don’t have to guess why ZOS wants daily logins, the same way a teacher a calls for attendance in class. They want to see how many people are there each day. This is fact. It is also fact that they have opted to cater towards those members that are not ESO plus members this month, and hope they can get more logins from non daily players, by offering them a free DLC.

My point is that it would have been a lot more practical for them to offer two different rewards instead of just one. For instance. Non Eso plus members get a free dlc for logging in every day, while ESO plus members get the free DLC, but instead get the collectors version of it, that comes with a pet and whatever else. This would give benefits to both non subscribers and subscribers alike for logging in every day.

Giving ESO+ members the DLC for free with the daily login bonus IS valuable to those who sub. If it wasn't offered as part of the dailies, and we cancelled ESO+ membership, we would lose access to Murkmire unless we purchased it (like we would have to do with any DLC). Offering it as a daily reward ensures that we can keep playing the Murkmire DLC - without paying for it - even if we cancel our subs. I call that a win.

I personally am very happy with how I am treated as an ESO+ subscriber. And starting soon we will be receiving more crowns, free crown store items as well as deals on other select crown store items. So like.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've played a whole ton of MMORPGs in the past 30 years, and I can honestly say ZOS has provided the best quality and customers service thus far. Plus @ZOS_GinaBruno sang us the Baby Shark song. that alone was worth a month's sub.

Girl_Number8

I taste a new kind of salt ×.×
*pulls up chair with plenty of popcorn to share*

Blacknight841

Bottom line is that this Is a one sided monthly reward. If you are an eso plus member you get benefit from logging in this month only if you meet the contingency that you cancel your eso plus. A non eso plus member gets the added benefit of not having to pay to access to the zone. If you must meet a contingacy to get the benefit of this months reward, I see no reason that it couldn’t work the same way, and give a added reward for having the eso plus subscription. I’m not complaining that the reward is a bad reward, I am not complaining that it takes away the benefit of an eso plus member, I am stating that this month has a one sided benefit towards non subscribers. For those saying that you get to keep this dlc even if you unsubscribe, that’s the point, you are now in the non subscribers category, you are now on the side that had the benefits.

Currently as it stands, the message is, you get a benefit if you cancel your eso plus or you are already a non subscriber. This is a poor move from zos. A better message is, you get an added benefit for being an eso plus member while you are a member, and you get the dlc as a non subscriber. This would have the message of, you get a benefit, regardless of eso plus, and an incentive to get and maintain your eso plus, not just an added benefit towards canceling. You can make whatever argument you want towards the benefits you get if you cancel, the fast is simple; when you cancel you are no longer in the eso plus catagory.

KingMagaw

yodased wrote: »

Again, you don't have it. You have access to it.

Whether you want to argue semantics or not, there is no logical argument to refute that statement.

You do not own the DLC as a subscriber, you will after they give it to you.

Your point is invalid if i have subscribed for 3+ years previous, and will subscribe until i stop playing the game, simply for the craft bag, as ZOS has engineered this situation, to intentionally bully people into subscribing as the only means for any QoL playing the game, your way.

So if it is fact, that i will subscribe until i stop playing the game, this reward means nothing to me and changes nothing.


I agree with the OP and i personally feel it is insulting to long term subscribers but throwing a bone to non subscribers, to encourage them not to sub as they now own a DLC for free, again, seems counter productive to me. @ZOS_GinaBruno


Lastly, i dont care as it changes nothing for me but that is my opinion above. If ZOS continue to demean subscribers by giving away the perks as daily login rewards, i am sure more will question the worth of subscribing.

Katahdin

You know a lot of people subscribe to ESO+ for reasons beyond what they get out of it.

Many subcribe because they want to support the game they love.

I disagree that this is a bad move move for ZoS. It's one small DLC. No one is going to cancel their ESO+ because they gave Murkmire as a login reward to non subscribers.

Getting all upset over this seems petty to me.

SpacemanSpiff1

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Bottom line is that this Is a one sided monthly reward.

It's 1 reward out of 30. Getting hung up on 3.33% of the daily rewards for the month is a bit silly. ♫Let it go♫

Reistr_the_Unbroken

KingMagaw wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Again, you don't have it. You have access to it.

Whether you want to argue semantics or not, there is no logical argument to refute that statement.

You do not own the DLC as a subscriber, you will after they give it to you.

Your point is invalid if i have subscribed for 3+ years previous, and will subscribe until i stop playing the game, simply for the craft bag, as ZOS has engineered this situation, to intentionally bully people into subscribing as the only means for any QoL playing the game, your way.

So if it is fact, that i will subscribe until i stop playing the game, this reward means nothing to me and changes nothing.


I agree with the OP and i personally feel it is insulting to long term subscribers but throwing a bone to non subscribers, to encourage them not to sub as they now own a DLC for free, again, seems counter productive to me. @ZOS_GinaBruno


Lastly, i dont care as it changes nothing for me but that is my opinion above. If ZOS continue to demean subscribers by giving away the perks as daily login rewards, i am sure more will question the worth of subscribing.

Wow, I don’t feel sorry for your selfish attitude considering that ESO+ members get every DLC for free, getting more crowns and exclusive stuff that non-ESO+ members get-

But god forbid a non-ESO+ member gets one free DLC for the first time then people like you think they have the right to cry and moan that it isn’t fair because ESO+ members can pay for their sub and get free stuff. Well guess what? Not everyone has the money to pay a years worth for ESO+.

Gargath

If that's the point of OP, I agree that "Daily Login Rewards for ESO+ members" should be given without the necessity to login for 30 days ahead. For the monthly fee paid, all the rewards should be given the first day to all subscribers. Fair and square. Another reason to stay with eso+.

Blacknight841

KingMagaw wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Again, you don't have it. You have access to it.

Whether you want to argue semantics or not, there is no logical argument to refute that statement.

You do not own the DLC as a subscriber, you will after they give it to you.

Your point is invalid if i have subscribed for 3+ years previous, and will subscribe until i stop playing the game, simply for the craft bag, as ZOS has engineered this situation, to intentionally bully people into subscribing as the only means for any QoL playing the game, your way.

So if it is fact, that i will subscribe until i stop playing the game, this reward means nothing to me and changes nothing.


I agree with the OP and i personally feel it is insulting to long term subscribers but throwing a bone to non subscribers, to encourage them not to sub as they now own a DLC for free, again, seems counter productive to me. @ZOS_GinaBruno


Lastly, i dont care as it changes nothing for me but that is my opinion above. If ZOS continue to demean subscribers by giving away the perks as daily login rewards, i am sure more will question the worth of subscribing.

Being an original eso subscription plan holder on the pc, followed by an active eso plus membership since the day they introduced it. I couldn’t agree more. They are catering to the new non eso plus member, with the assumption that eso plus members log in a lot already, so the target audience is the non plus subscribers. I know I will be an eso plus member until the day I stop playing or the servers come offline, and I subscribe on more than one account. The bottom line is this months benefit, does nothing for eso plus active members. The only time you get a benefit is if you either cancel your membership, or you already don’t have a subscription. This “you get a benefit of you cancel” is a bad message to send to the active eso plus members, and I really hope this isn’t a start of a new trend.

As for those that say most subscribers buy the dlc with crowns anyway. I definitely disagree with that. That would be like buying all the equipment in the gym and continuing to paying a gym membership fee just to use the lockers.

Blacknight841

Gargath wrote: »

If that's the point of OP, I agree that "Daily Login Rewards for ESO+ members" should be given without the necessity to login for 30 days ahead. For the monthly fee paid, all the rewards should be given the first day to all subscribers. Fair and square. Another reason to stay with eso+.

I would agree with that, and I think it is a fine solution in theory. If you have eso plus you don’t need to log in 24 days During the month to get the dlc. But the idea behind the log in rewards is to help zos show number of active players. And if that is the situation and the gold, make bumping those numbers beneficial to all players, subscription or not.

Runs

Blacknight841 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

They get a lot of things.

You have no idea the reasoning why ZOS is offering these items, you can guess like we all can but presenting information that is your opinion as fact is not cool.

They reward paying subscribers with the subscription benefit, which is irrelevant to the daily log in rewards.

You are simply self-centered.

Either you are not reading what I am saying, or you are not comprehending. There’s is no point to eso plus members logging in every day of the month to get something they already have access to. I don’t have to guess why ZOS wants daily logins, the same way a teacher a calls for attendance in class. They want to see how many people are there each day. This is fact. It is also fact that they have opted to cater towards those members that are not ESO plus members this month, and hope they can get more logins from non daily players, by offering them a free DLC.

My point is that it would have been a lot more practical for them to offer two different rewards instead of just one. For instance. Non Eso plus members get a free dlc for logging in every day, while ESO plus members get the free DLC, but instead get the collectors version of it, that comes with a pet and whatever else. This would give benefits to both non subscribers and subscribers alike for logging in every day.

You do realize as an ESO+ member you can still buy and own the DLCs, yes? This months reward is just as good for plus members as it is for non plus members. The only ones missing out on a daily reward this month are the people who bought the DLC. And even then they aren't missing out cause they had a months access to it allowing sales from Murkmire items, which tends to be highest when first released.

Blacknight841

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Bottom line is that this Is a one sided monthly reward.

It's 1 reward out of 30. Getting hung up on 3.33% of the daily rewards for the month is a bit silly. ♫Let it go♫

It isn’t juSt a daily reward It is a monthly reward. Your math is flawed, if I don’t log in for a week I cannot get that reward, as you have to log in every day to collect the previous reward in the chart. That the first reward 3.33%, the second reward 6.66% and so on.

KingMagaw

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Wow, I don’t feel sorry for your selfish attitude considering that ESO+ members get every DLC for free, getting more crowns and exclusive stuff that non-ESO+ members get-

But god forbid a non-ESO+ member gets one free DLC for the first time then people like you think they have the right to cry and moan that it isn’t fair because ESO+ members can pay for their sub and get free stuff. Well guess what? Not everyone has the money to pay a years worth for ESO+.

lol

I just stated facts and my opinion as a long term subscriber, to support the game and hope it grows and also, to be entitled the benefits this has, like the craft bag and DLC access, where i buy the collectors edition of the expansions, even though ZOS gives the DLC away a year later lol

But claiming, my points are in question because i can afford to subscribe and not everyone can is a weak stance and by no means changes nothing here.

Again, i will repeat. This changes nothing for me, now, but definitely has me questioning if ZOS gives away subscriber perks. By all means free benefits in game for everyone, but no need to demean long term subscribers, from my perspective anyway.

Blacknight841

Runs wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

They get a lot of things.

You have no idea the reasoning why ZOS is offering these items, you can guess like we all can but presenting information that is your opinion as fact is not cool.

They reward paying subscribers with the subscription benefit, which is irrelevant to the daily log in rewards.

You are simply self-centered.

Either you are not reading what I am saying, or you are not comprehending. There’s is no point to eso plus members logging in every day of the month to get something they already have access to. I don’t have to guess why ZOS wants daily logins, the same way a teacher a calls for attendance in class. They want to see how many people are there each day. This is fact. It is also fact that they have opted to cater towards those members that are not ESO plus members this month, and hope they can get more logins from non daily players, by offering them a free DLC.

My point is that it would have been a lot more practical for them to offer two different rewards instead of just one. For instance. Non Eso plus members get a free dlc for logging in every day, while ESO plus members get the free DLC, but instead get the collectors version of it, that comes with a pet and whatever else. This would give benefits to both non subscribers and subscribers alike for logging in every day.

You do realize as an ESO+ member you can still buy and own the DLCs, yes? This months reward is just as good for plus members as it is for non plus members. The only ones missing out on a daily reward this month are the people who bought the DLC. And even then they aren't missing out cause they had a months access to it allowing sales from Murkmire items, which tends to be highest when first released.

It’s a month early access to it on the pc, and 2 weeks on the console. As for the benefit, how does it benefit an eso plus member, that plans on staying an eso plus member) to log in every day? Without the “if they cancel they can have access to it”. It doesn’t benefit both sides equally.

TheCyberDruid

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Being an original eso subscription plan holder on the pc, followed by an active eso plus membership since the day they introduced it.

The whole B2P business model of ESO is there for a reason. If you need to hear it more straight: You don't matter, crowns purchases do.

Blacknight841

Katahdin wrote: »

You know a lot of people subscribe to ESO+ for reasons beyond what they get out of it.

Many subcribe because they want to support the game they love.

I disagree that this is a bad move move for ZoS. It's one small DLC. No one is going to cancel their ESO+ because they gave Murkmire as a login reward to non subscribers.

Getting all upset over this seems petty to me.

You are assuming that this is the only time they will do this. This could very well be the new trend now, and all future dlcs will be like this. That means the eso plus membership that “grows every year”, stopped growing with wolf hunter dlc as far dlc is concerned.

As for subscribing just to support zos. I absolutely would buy eso plus just to support the game, but with the lack of attention zos has shown over the years towards listening to their community (that’s a whole mother discussion though), and the concentration on just numbers, from a numbers stand point, this is a bad move for Zos. Eso plus members may not cancel, but I am sure slme will opt to not sign in every day like other months .

zaria

This one want simple items, like vMA and master weapons, also some flawless stuff.
Greed is good

Blacknight841

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Being an original eso subscription plan holder on the pc, followed by an active eso plus membership since the day they introduced it.

The whole B2P business model of ESO is there for a reason. If you need to hear it more straight: You don't matter, crowns purchases do.

I agree 100%, I am irrelevant, but the logins are not. And they should have catered the daily login rewards this month to benefit both subscribers (that remain active) and non subscribers at the same time. Otherwise there is diminished incentive for eso plus members to log in every day.

idk

OP is choosing to ignore all the perks of ESO+ and in effect focus on one aspect of what Zos does that happens to not be affected by ESO+. Take those blinders off.

This really borders on entitlement, that is expecting everything Zos does to be boosted by ESO+

TheCyberDruid

Blacknight841 wrote: »

I agree 100%, I am irrelevant, but the logins are not. And they should have catered the daily login rewards this month to benefit both subscribers (that remain active) and non subscribers at the same time. Otherwise there is diminished incentive for eso plus members to log in every day.

No, you did not read my post. ESO+ doesn't matter. You need people to spend crowns and buy crowns to feed this game (and the next apparently). ESO Plus is there for people 'that like to support the game' and people that want the crafting bag. If you think that the subscription model is still a bullet point on the 'what does ZOS care about' list, you might just be wrong.

Blacknight841

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

I agree 100%, I am irrelevant, but the logins are not. And they should have catered the daily login rewards this month to benefit both subscribers (that remain active) and non subscribers at the same time. Otherwise there is diminished incentive for eso plus members to log in every day.

No, you did not read my post. ESO+ doesn't matter. You need people to spend crowns and buy crowns to feed this game (and the next apparently). ESO Plus is there for people 'that like to support the game' and people that want the crafting bag. If you think that the subscription model is still a bullet point on the 'what does ZOS care about' list, you might just be wrong.

Eso plus definitely does matter, more importantly, number of canceled subscriptions matters. Eso plus, crown sales, event participation, chapter purchases and number of daily logins are the numbers that matter. Sure it is not the most important aspect of their revenue, but it is a very important aspect for them observe as it shows the longtime players.

TheCyberDruid

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Sure it is not the most important aspect of their revenue, but it is a very important aspect for them observe as it shows the longtime players.

If you really do care about them not giving you a compensation for the free DLC then by all means cancel your subscription. See if that makes a difference. Sorry, but I'm not going to waste my time here any longer.

PathwayM

There's alot of people in this thread talking about the perks you get for eso plus like it isn't paid for. Non-eso plus members keep 15+ dollars in their pocket each month as a trade off, how's that for a benefit? The rewards this month are garbage for ESO+ subscribers and should have been useful to everyone regardless of subscription status.

DaveMoeDee

Abigail wrote: »

Me thinks the OP is much less aggrieved about the value of his subscription than he is upset that nonsubscribers get free stuff. It's a sad tale of human nature that the 'haves' resent it when the 'have-nots' receive anything. I won't insinuate the OP's political alignment, but I can guess.

It isn't just that. The value of ESO+ is the delta of what you get with ESO+ and what you get without. Players try to forecast the value they will get when they sign up for the ESO+ model, but when the amount of content you gain from it decreases, they see they have to reevaluate their expectations, but are also a bit in a bind due to their past commitment.

DaveMoeDee

Abigail wrote: »

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't actual ownership of the Summerset DLC a requirement for receiving the free house, horse, and pet during the recent event?

I'll wager that should ZOS do a similarly configured event for Murkmire all those disparaging the Murkmire giveaway will be grateful they received it for free.

They probably aren't going to do that for a crown store DLC.

wolf486

I personally don't like paying for ESO+ since it costs about $200/year where I live, but I find quite a bit of value from it. Crafting bag alone is worth it and the primary reason I get it. I purchased Thieves guild, Dark Brotherhood and Orsinium with crowns I got from subbing, so when my sub ran out I was able to play those still.

Latios

Look, I know you might want to bash OP for the post, but...

I think he's referring to the murkmire DLC being given and him being an ESO plus makes it pointless for him to get it.

I may not agree with his view, but... We should focus on what he said, right?

Blacknight841

idk wrote: »

OP is choosing to ignore all the perks of ESO+ and in effect focus on one aspect of what Zos does that happens to not be affected by ESO+. Take those blinders off.

This really borders on entitlement, that is expecting everything Zos does to be boosted by ESO+

This has nothing to with the other perks of eso plus. This is about the daily logins.

At the start of the month and at the end of the month, what was a non eso plus member rewarded with for logging in and supporting the game numbers... a free dlc.
What was the am eso plus member rewarded with for doing the same thing ... a free dlc that has no change on their game until they cancel their eso plus membership. It is not about entitlement, it is about both parties doing the same amount of logins to support the game, but only on half of the party getting something of use to them, while the other half has to stop supporting the game on a different aspect in order to use of it. If they chose to give away some aspect of the eso plus membership as a free reward then they should have done what they did with other instances where they give away free aspects of the eso plus membership, like crown crates for eso plus members during free eso plus weekends. They just sidelined the eso plus members this month, and if it like this for the other dlcs during the year, then they will essentially make logging in on 1/4 of the month thoughout tombs year pointless for active eso plus members.