Daily Login Rewards for ESO+ members VS non subscribers

Blacknight841

Is there even a point for ESO plus members to log in and give ZOS the extra login counts all month long? They get nothing of value for supporting the game. For being the dedicated paying members that support this game, the reward is something useless to us. It’s like getting a free ticket to a football game when you already have a season pass, except you can’t even even give it away to a friend.

... Or is this a ploy to drive ESO plus members into getting the dlc by claiming rewards so that they can unsub from ESO plus?

Davor

Huh? Nothing of value? All DLC minus the stories. 1500 crowns per month. CRAFT BAG. Yes no value there at all for my $22 a month.

tmbrinks

Davor wrote: »

Huh? Nothing of value? All DLC minus the stories. 1500 crowns per month. CRAFT BAG. Yes no value there at all for my $22 a month.

$22? I'm paying like $13/month (granted I buy the 6 month subscription)

I agree with your stance though, wholeheartedly, well worth the price, even at $22

yodased

Maybe its the other 4 DLCs you get access to.

Maybe its the double limit housing.

Maybe its the 10% more gold and EXP.

Maybe its the unlimited storage craft bag.

Maybe its the 1,500 (SOON TO BE 1,650) crowns you get every month.

So, because other people are getting a very small part of a large connected sum you pay, that somehow negates everything else?

If you log in and cancel your ESO+ out of indignation, guess what you still have Murkmire.

So you would rather have different and/or better free things on top of the free things you are getting because 1/30 of those free things you already have access to.

Blacknight841

Davor wrote: »

Huh? Nothing of value? All DLC minus the stories. 1500 crowns per month. CRAFT BAG. Yes no value there at all for my $22 a month.

You didn’t even read the post. I said nothing about the ESO plus membership not having value. I pointed out that those that have eso plus get nothing for logging in every day of the month. Zenimax wants the daily logins so they can present the number to the investors/ board/ whoever they need to look good for. However this month they have chosen to not reward paying subscribers, that have no need to buy the dlc, as they already get it with the subscription.

yodased

They get a lot of things.

You have no idea the reasoning why ZOS is offering these items, you can guess like we all can but presenting information that is your opinion as fact is not cool.

They reward paying subscribers with the subscription benefit, which is irrelevant to the daily log in rewards.

You are simply self-centered.

Hippie4927

I will never understand people complaining about FREE stuff! Some of it is useless to a high-level character like the potions and poisons but most of it is useable like the xp scrolls, repair kits, gold. If I ever stop subbing, I will still have Murkmire because ZOS gave it to us for free.....or will at the end of the month.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

100k + in gold last month was a pretty good reward.
Free crates are pretty fun.
AP points without having to PvP is nice for some.
Potions, food and poisons are pretty worthless to me, but hey, some might find them useful.
Daily rewards are a kinda nice "Extra" for all players, not just those with Plus as we get LOTS of extras for subbing.

Not sure the point of OP..
Just my 2 Drakes... Huzzah!

Katahdin

I am ESO+ and I do not see any reason why ESO+ should get any additional stuff out of the daily rewards than anyone else.

We already get a good deal for ESO+.

They are going to have crown store exclusives and discounts for ESO+ members, including a freebees housing items.

If that isn't good enough for you, you can exercise your option to cancel it.

Blacknight841

yodased wrote: »

They get a lot of things.

You have no idea the reasoning why ZOS is offering these items, you can guess like we all can but presenting information that is your opinion as fact is not cool.

They reward paying subscribers with the subscription benefit, which is irrelevant to the daily log in rewards.

You are simply self-centered.

Either you are not reading what I am saying, or you are not comprehending. There’s is no point to eso plus members logging in every day of the month to get something they already have access to. I don’t have to guess why ZOS wants daily logins, the same way a teacher a calls for attendance in class. They want to see how many people are there each day. This is fact. It is also fact that they have opted to cater towards those members that are not ESO plus members this month, and hope they can get more logins from non daily players, by offering them a free DLC.

My point is that it would have been a lot more practical for them to offer two different rewards instead of just one. For instance. Non Eso plus members get a free dlc for logging in every day, while ESO plus members get the free DLC, but instead get the collectors version of it, that comes with a pet and whatever else. This would give benefits to both non subscribers and subscribers alike for logging in every day.

theyancey

You now have access to Murkmire as long as you have an active ESO+ sub. Drop the sub and you lose access. Get the Murkmire DLC via the daily reward and it is yours permanently. We Plus members lose nothing at all.

DaveMoeDee

Ugh, this again.

Look, if you log in just for the login rewards, find another game. Be happy your compulsive inclinations aren't being taken advantage of here.

As for people mentioning the calculus of determining the value of ESO+, isn't it a bit silly to talk about getting access to the same old DLC year after year, even when you don't even visit some of that content in a calendar year?

Elsonso

I don't see why there needs to be a Daily Reward specially for ESO Plus members.

If you are talking about them stealing an ESO Plus perk and giving it to everyone, all I have to say is that not everyone will be getting the free DLC.

Chrysa1is

Davor wrote: »

Huh? Nothing of value? All DLC minus the stories. 1500 crowns per month. CRAFT BAG. Yes no value there at all for my $22 a month.

that is literally no value whatsoever.

1500 crowns per month is rubbish. just buy what you want when you want for cheaper.

you pay more than a dlc is worth over time and you have to pay monthly to keep them. i pay once and keep the dlcs for life and i dont pay anymore than a dlcs worth.

double housing and bank storage is cool BUT you can manage without it. If i need storage i save writ vouchers for house storage chests.

the craft bag is what makes eso+ what it is. and thats it lol. there is no value in eso+

to the OP: don't sub to eso+. its a waste

TheCyberDruid

I have ESO+ and I would have bought Murkmire with crowns for the time when I won't log in daily, but still like to be able to visit all zones. Just to add to the points made by others that it's a system for everyone and that ESO+ has its own benefits. Sometimes *your* perspective is just that...

Blacknight841

theyancey wrote: »

You now have access to Murkmire as long as you have an active ESO+ sub. Drop the sub and you lose access. Get the Murkmire DLC via the daily reward and it is yours permanently. We Plus members lose nothing at all.

That’s true, but you have nothing to gain either as long as you keep playing the game with an ESO plus subscription. However you logged in just The same amount of time as a person who isn’t a subscriber. That person who’s isn’t a subscriber got 1500 crowns worth of something they can use every day, you got 1500 crowns worth of something you can use ONLY if you chose not to subscribe any longer.

Look at it from a different perspective. If they did a month with a daily loving reward where the only way to claim the daily reward was to have an active eso plus membership. If you don’t have an eso plus membership but get one in the future, then you get access to the previous rewards that were only available to eso plus members, while you have your membership. Those people that don’t have eso plus, log in just the same amount, but there is a contingency for them to make use of the items that were rewarded for logging in. Same thing applies here, but in reverse.

qbit

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Huh? Nothing of value? All DLC minus the stories. 1500 crowns per month. CRAFT BAG. Yes no value there at all for my $22 a month.

You didn’t even read the post. I said nothing about the ESO plus membership not having value. I pointed out that those that have eso plus get nothing for logging in every day of the month. Zenimax wants the daily logins so they can present the number to the investors/ board/ whoever they need to look good for. However this month they have chosen to not reward paying subscribers, that have no need to buy the dlc, as they already get it with the subscription.

Seems fine to me. I’m skipping the dlc since I don’t want some random thing in my inventory when I unsubscribe.

So if they don’t do as you describe and impress those investors, you do realize you won’t have a game to logon to anymore...

SpacemanSpiff1

There's 20+ other days of rewards this month. Some of those are good incentives to log in. Think of it as a crown soul gem/crown poison day .

RedRook

Yes, I think we'd all be happier and better off if they gave everyone three crown gems on that day instead.

/s

Blacknight841

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

There's 20+ other days of rewards this month. Some of those are good incentives to log in. Think of it as a crown soul gem/crown poison day .

I completely agree, if you are an ESO plus members, you have more use for that crown soul gem/ crown poison, than you have for the free DLC, since you can actually use that item.

KingMagaw

Just means less logging in for me this month as i already have the reward due to subbing.

I am almost sure ZOS is bring in more dailies and rewards to encourage more daily logins. Seems this month it is the exact opposite for me, and others who subscribe i play with

Anotherone773

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Huh? Nothing of value? All DLC minus the stories. 1500 crowns per month. CRAFT BAG. Yes no value there at all for my $22 a month.

You didn’t even read the post. I said nothing about the ESO plus membership not having value. I pointed out that those that have eso plus get nothing for logging in every day of the month. Zenimax wants the daily logins so they can present the number to the investors/ board/ whoever they need to look good for. However this month they have chosen to not reward paying subscribers, that have no need to buy the dlc, as they already get it with the subscription.

The lack of logic in this statement is astounding. ESO plus is completely different than daily login rewards. You are comparing Witchmother's Potent Brew to .... Nirnroot.

carlos424

yodased wrote: »

Maybe its the other 4 DLCs you get access to.

Maybe its the double limit housing.

Maybe its the 10% more gold and EXP.

Maybe its the unlimited storage craft bag.

Maybe its the 1,500 (SOON TO BE 1,650) crowns you get every month.

So, because other people are getting a very small part of a large connected sum you pay, that somehow negates everything else?

If you log in and cancel your ESO+ out of indignation, guess what you still have Murkmire.

So you would rather have different and/or better free things on top of the free things you are getting because 1/30 of those free things you already have access to.

I think the whole point is that eso+ members already get murkmire, so it is basically not worth anything to us as a daily reward. I can understand this. Would be nice to get a crown crate or two in its place. Oh, and all those things you mentioned as “free things” arent really free are they? At $15/month for 12 months, those “free things” really cost $180 a year.

Blacknight841

KingMagaw wrote: »

Just means less logging in for me this month as i already have the reward due to subbing.

I am almost sure ZOS is bring in more dailies and rewards to encourage more daily logins. Seems this month it is the exact opposite for me, and others who subscribe i play with

That is my exact point. This is counter productive for zos if you don’t log in as much this month. However, if they were to give away the collectors edition of the dlc for eso plus members, then they may convince you to log in every day for the pet or whatever that comes with it. I guarantee that zenimax took into consoderation the fact that eso plus numbers might log in less because they already have access to the content that they are giving away as the daily reward, but if the logins from non subscribers is improved this month, and the overall munber of logins are higher, then this may become a trend down the line. Who knows, next months daily login reward may be a free eso plus craft bag for a month.

Kiralyn2000

Blacknight841 wrote: »

You didn’t even read the post. I said nothing about the ESO plus membership not having value. I pointed out that those that have eso plus get nothing for logging in every day of the month. Zenimax wants the daily logins so they can present the number to the investors/ board/ whoever they need to look good for. However this month they have chosen to not reward paying subscribers, that have no need to buy the dlc, as they already get it with the subscription.

Is there even a point for ESO plus members to log in and give ZOS the extra login counts all month long? They get nothing of value for supporting the game.

As others have pointed out, if you ever drop ESO+, you'll still have Murkmire access. Beyond that, you still get all the other daily rewards that everyone gets. Also, Murkmire is on the 24th day, so it's not a reward for "logging in every day of the month".

I'm surprised you didn't also toss in "slap in the face to people who bought Murkmire day one!"


in the end, not everyone values the same things the same way. I have no interest at all in the Dungeon & Trial DLCs, or the Imperial City PvP DLC. Should I yell that ESO+ is terrible value, because part of it's "bonus" is of no meaning to me?

Katahdin

I am perfectly fine getting the Murkmire DLC as a daily reward even though I have it already as an ESO+ sub.

The Murkmire content is so small compared to the other DLCs, I don't see it as a big deal.

If I ever do decide to cancel the sub ,it's one less thing I have to pay for.

I log in every day because I want to, not because I have to. The daily reward is just a bonus.

Blacknight841

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Huh? Nothing of value? All DLC minus the stories. 1500 crowns per month. CRAFT BAG. Yes no value there at all for my $22 a month.

You didn’t even read the post. I said nothing about the ESO plus membership not having value. I pointed out that those that have eso plus get nothing for logging in every day of the month. Zenimax wants the daily logins so they can present the number to the investors/ board/ whoever they need to look good for. However this month they have chosen to not reward paying subscribers, that have no need to buy the dlc, as they already get it with the subscription.

The lack of logic in this statement is astounding. ESO plus is completely different than daily login rewards. You are comparing Witchmother's Potent Brew to .... Nirnroot.

No, I am comparing daily login rewards of subscribers vs non subscribers. Which is a valid comparison. I edited the title of the post to make that more clear.

yodased

carlos424 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Maybe its the other 4 DLCs you get access to.

Maybe its the double limit housing.

Maybe its the 10% more gold and EXP.

Maybe its the unlimited storage craft bag.

Maybe its the 1,500 (SOON TO BE 1,650) crowns you get every month.

So, because other people are getting a very small part of a large connected sum you pay, that somehow negates everything else?

If you log in and cancel your ESO+ out of indignation, guess what you still have Murkmire.

So you would rather have different and/or better free things on top of the free things you are getting because 1/30 of those free things you already have access to.

I think the whole point is that eso+ members already get murkmire, so it is basically not worth anything to us as a daily reward. I can understand this. Would be nice to get a crown crate or two in its place. Oh, and all those things you mentioned as “free things” arent really free are they? At $15/month for 12 months, those “free things” really cost $180 a year.

Nowhere did I say or insinuate that ESO+ was free or anything that I said was free.

The point remains that everyone is being given this for logging in. When you have eso+, you do not own the DLC.

Now, if you login for 24 days, you will own it.

With ESO+ you are renting the DLC access, they are giving it to you.

Just because you have access with eso+ doesn't take the "value" away from actually owning the DLC.

Its actually more interesting that people would be upset that other people can benefit even if it is a perceived loss to them, so what, now everyone can have a better time, it actually cost you nothing and you do benefit in the end.

You are not losing anything, no one is getting anything you also don't get.

Anotherone773

carlos424 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Maybe its the other 4 DLCs you get access to.

Maybe its the double limit housing.

Maybe its the 10% more gold and EXP.

Maybe its the unlimited storage craft bag.

Maybe its the 1,500 (SOON TO BE 1,650) crowns you get every month.

So, because other people are getting a very small part of a large connected sum you pay, that somehow negates everything else?

If you log in and cancel your ESO+ out of indignation, guess what you still have Murkmire.

So you would rather have different and/or better free things on top of the free things you are getting because 1/30 of those free things you already have access to.

I think the whole point is that eso+ members already get murkmire, so it is basically not worth anything to us as a daily reward. I can understand this. Would be nice to get a crown crate or two in its place. Oh, and all those things you mentioned as “free things” arent really free are they? At $15/month for 12 months, those “free things” really cost $180 a year.

A sub cost the same as buying 1500 crowns a month. You get 1500 crowns a month with a sub. Thus, everything you get with a sub besides the 1500 crowns is actually free. So, yes, those things really are FREE.

Blacknight841

yodased wrote: »

carlos424 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Maybe its the other 4 DLCs you get access to.

Maybe its the double limit housing.

Maybe its the 10% more gold and EXP.

Maybe its the unlimited storage craft bag.

Maybe its the 1,500 (SOON TO BE 1,650) crowns you get every month.

So, because other people are getting a very small part of a large connected sum you pay, that somehow negates everything else?

If you log in and cancel your ESO+ out of indignation, guess what you still have Murkmire.

So you would rather have different and/or better free things on top of the free things you are getting because 1/30 of those free things you already have access to.

I think the whole point is that eso+ members already get murkmire, so it is basically not worth anything to us as a daily reward. I can understand this. Would be nice to get a crown crate or two in its place. Oh, and all those things you mentioned as “free things” arent really free are they? At $15/month for 12 months, those “free things” really cost $180 a year.

Nowhere did I say or insinuate that ESO+ was free or anything that I said was free.

The point remains that everyone is being given this for logging in. When you have eso+, you do not own the DLC.

Now, if you login for 24 days, you will own it.

With ESO+ you are renting the DLC access, they are giving it to you.

Just because you have access with eso+ doesn't take the "value" away from actually owning the DLC.

Its actually more interesting that people would be upset that other people can benefit even if it is a perceived loss to them, so what, now everyone can have a better time, it actually cost you nothing and you do benefit in the end.

You are not losing anything, no one is getting anything you also don't get.

^^^
That last sentence should read.

“You are not gaining anything, no one is getting anything you also don't already have access to and pay for.”

yodased

Blacknight841 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

carlos424 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Maybe its the other 4 DLCs you get access to.

Maybe its the double limit housing.

Maybe its the 10% more gold and EXP.

Maybe its the unlimited storage craft bag.

Maybe its the 1,500 (SOON TO BE 1,650) crowns you get every month.

So, because other people are getting a very small part of a large connected sum you pay, that somehow negates everything else?

If you log in and cancel your ESO+ out of indignation, guess what you still have Murkmire.

So you would rather have different and/or better free things on top of the free things you are getting because 1/30 of those free things you already have access to.

I think the whole point is that eso+ members already get murkmire, so it is basically not worth anything to us as a daily reward. I can understand this. Would be nice to get a crown crate or two in its place. Oh, and all those things you mentioned as “free things” arent really free are they? At $15/month for 12 months, those “free things” really cost $180 a year.

Nowhere did I say or insinuate that ESO+ was free or anything that I said was free.

The point remains that everyone is being given this for logging in. When you have eso+, you do not own the DLC.

Now, if you login for 24 days, you will own it.

With ESO+ you are renting the DLC access, they are giving it to you.

Just because you have access with eso+ doesn't take the "value" away from actually owning the DLC.

Its actually more interesting that people would be upset that other people can benefit even if it is a perceived loss to them, so what, now everyone can have a better time, it actually cost you nothing and you do benefit in the end.

You are not losing anything, no one is getting anything you also don't get.

^^^

“You are not gaining anything, no one is getting anything you also don't already have and pay for.”

Again, you don't have it. You have access to it.

Whether you want to argue semantics or not, there is no logical argument to refute that statement.

You do not own the DLC as a subscriber, you will after they give it to you.