Dizzy swing completely broken

Koensol

bpmachete wrote: »

Hope this is true you have to aim, maybe it's like this in more abilities, or is it just cast time? Snipe having to aim sounds so good. I use Dizzy with some classes and am looking forward to the challenge if it was intended.

Don't be ridiculous. If ZOS wanted you to keep aim at all times they would have needed to increase the hitbox, because its way too damn small.

And thanks to all for keeping this thread on first page during the night. Lets try and keep it that way until ZOS acknowledges this major oversight. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Crixus8000

I have just been testing the new patch and wow yeah the new dizzy is terrible, I think I have landed around 10 in the last 4 hours lol and that was only against new players who just stand light attacking, anyone who was on the move was basically impossible to hit. Add the massive nerf to move speed and it makes it even harder.

BigBragg

It's at the point where the skill is just coming off the bar until ZOS corrects the error. No reason to waist space and cast time on a swing and a miss.

CadaCosa

FYI.. It's not just snipe, bow users will also notice reticle needs to stay on target for light and heavy bow attacks. Seems like more of overall change with how the reticle works.

ningauble_7b14_ESO

Radiant Oppression works exactly as before (other than the documented duration change). Initial reticle check then I can look any direction I want and it keeps channeling. Don't see why some cast time abilities should be so much more difficult to land than others.

Koensol

ningauble_7b14_ESO wrote: »

Radiant Oppression works exactly as before (other than the documented duration change). Initial reticle check then I can look any direction I want and it keeps channeling. Don't see why some cast time abilities should be so much more difficult to land than others.

That is because radiant is a true single target lock-on channel. Resto and lightning heavy attacks also work fine. But dizzy, and also snipe are skills with a cast time, that only hit when the cast time is over. Slightly different mechanic.

pokrakus

they just killed my stam builds, 2h was my main bar on every stam build, I just love the swing.... ZOS just fix it

MajBludd

I say end of witchess festival until it gets fixed. Only to be fixed, even worse than before.

Am I doing this right, Zos?

DoonerSeraph

Is Dark Flare also affected by the same issue? Tagging @Tasear (sorry, but we need this passed along, otherwise theres no point in targeted cast time skills like Uppercut, Snipe, and Solar/Dark Flare)

Immovablestone

*facepalm*

Rukzadlithau

At this point they need to sit down and rework this entierly to implement the fix via Incremental Patch as soon as possible.

They should rework the targetting, so the skill can be casted without aiming at a target directly and have a conal hitbox where it chooses the closest target to you, the conal hitbox rotates according to the reticle.

Just reverting it would be a compromise and not do just after this fiasco. The ability had targetting issues since ever and this was the nail in the coffin.

bpmachete

I always thought that this game's autoaim makes it so easy to
Fire and Forget, especially with snipe that the skill cap
Is way low. I would hope that this would also apply to instacast abilities where the aiming would matter.

With Dizzy the animations should not stop and the reticle would have to be aiming like someone said at a bigger hit box area like cone at the end of the swing.

For snipe the animation should not stop and make it so it works like an AOE effect where it shoots where you aim at and if the player is in that area it would hit one.

Poison inject and frags all that should also matter where you aim to, if you start the ability and the distance causes the arrow to be to the side because of strafe it could "miss" and the enemy do the dodge standing up animation... pvp would be so skill based having to lead shots and the whole game would change.

Sux it only affects those cast abilities and in such a negative way. In general though, I hope targeting systems do get changed.

lostcloud

Wait I know what your problem is, you have all started to play on Aussie ping, working as intended, move along.

Rake

What if magicka ranged get to aim next?

dotme

Have any of you considered posting a thread in the Bug Reports section and/or filing an in-game report?

mr_wazzabi

Not even a word?

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this intended?

frostz417

Kanar wrote: »

Yeah I had same issues with snipe at Alessia bridge this morning.

Good because snipe is literally the most cancerous and trash playstyle ever

eso_lags

del9 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno can the dev team please break their newfound vow of silence and please let us know what the intentions behind this is? Leaving your players in the dark is a good way to lose your population

Newfound?

Burtan

Here is some footage of Dizzy Swing under near perfect conditions.

- no lag
- no move speed on enemy

This is a friend in a PvE setup who threw on chudan so he can survive somewhat.
Feast your eyes lmao

https://plays.tv/video/5bcf5e1d187e07b634/dizzying-swing-broken-23-10-2018-murkmire

Valykc

Well we have mods moderating forum posts but no comments from them on this so I think it’s safe to say that ZOS doesn’t care. Pack up the bags! See you in Ashes!

KhajiitHasSkooma

Ugh, hasn't it always been this way?

Thogard

KhajiitHasSkooma wrote: »

Ugh, hasn't it always been this way?

There used to be a to-hit check af the start of the channel and a second one at the very end, but in between the two you could drop the target for a little.

Now if you drop the target at any point it’ll interupt the cast.

TequilaFire

frostz417 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Yeah I had same issues with snipe at Alessia bridge this morning.

Good because snipe is literally the most cancerous and trash playstyle ever

Yep right up there with dizzying swing spam.

Bosov

TequilaFire wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Yeah I had same issues with snipe at Alessia bridge this morning.

Good because snipe is literally the most cancerous and trash playstyle ever

Yep right up there with dizzying swing spam.

How you can even compare those skills is beyond me....

The range, the defile, the fact multiple snipes can hit you before you even notice that you are being sniped, snipe even has a stun because it is used from stealth 99.9% of the time and the cancerous playstyle which comes with using snipe. It is mostly used by stamblade who SNIPE, run, cloak, SNIPE, SNIPE, cloak, run. No risk high damage playstyle. Any player who isnt a mindless zergling dislikes the skill and thinks it really needs a rework. Dizzyswing is basically a meme skill nowadays.

TequilaFire

Bosov wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Yeah I had same issues with snipe at Alessia bridge this morning.

Good because snipe is literally the most cancerous and trash playstyle ever

Yep right up there with dizzying swing spam.

How you can even compare those skills is beyond me....

The range, the defile, the fact multiple snipes can hit you before you even notice that you are being sniped, snipe even has a stun because it is used from stealth 99.9% of the time and the cancerous playstyle which comes with using snipe. It is mostly used by stamblade who SNIPE, run, cloak, SNIPE, SNIPE, cloak, run. No risk high damage playstyle. Any player who isnt a mindless zergling dislikes the skill and thinks it really needs a rework. Dizzyswing is basically a meme skill nowadays.

Not comparing the skills, just the mentality of the users.
Both are spammed to excess.

Bosov

TequilaFire wrote: »

Bosov wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Yeah I had same issues with snipe at Alessia bridge this morning.

Good because snipe is literally the most cancerous and trash playstyle ever

Yep right up there with dizzying swing spam.

How you can even compare those skills is beyond me....

The range, the defile, the fact multiple snipes can hit you before you even notice that you are being sniped, snipe even has a stun because it is used from stealth 99.9% of the time and the cancerous playstyle which comes with using snipe. It is mostly used by stamblade who SNIPE, run, cloak, SNIPE, SNIPE, cloak, run. No risk high damage playstyle. Any player who isnt a mindless zergling dislikes the skill and thinks it really needs a rework. Dizzyswing is basically a meme skill nowadays.

Not comparing the skills, just the mentality of the users.
Both are spammed to excess.

Dizzyswing mentality : ''An enemy, time to get close! I want to kill him so i take the risk of moving towards the enemy and put myself in a position where i can be damaged and seen by the enemy. If i can connect my dizzy (which isnt easy) i can do high damage! My opponent can however counter me by avoiding the hit and be able to fight back.''

Snipe mentality : ''Hey look, someone is fighting over there! Hmm, my enemy is outnumbered by multiple of my team but i can help from 48m away without an option to be countered. SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE.. oh no, he hasnt died and moves towards me. Time to run/cloak away and try again from safety (48m). This is dangerous.. i wish there was a wall i could stand on.''

People who spam dizzy are funny, people who spam snipe are horrible people who just want to ruin other people their experience. Snipe really promotes a cancerous playstyle

TequilaFire

Bosov wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Bosov wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Yeah I had same issues with snipe at Alessia bridge this morning.

Good because snipe is literally the most cancerous and trash playstyle ever

Yep right up there with dizzying swing spam.

How you can even compare those skills is beyond me....

The range, the defile, the fact multiple snipes can hit you before you even notice that you are being sniped, snipe even has a stun because it is used from stealth 99.9% of the time and the cancerous playstyle which comes with using snipe. It is mostly used by stamblade who SNIPE, run, cloak, SNIPE, SNIPE, cloak, run. No risk high damage playstyle. Any player who isnt a mindless zergling dislikes the skill and thinks it really needs a rework. Dizzyswing is basically a meme skill nowadays.

Not comparing the skills, just the mentality of the users.
Both are spammed to excess.

Dizzyswing mentality : ''An enemy, time to get close! I want to kill him so i take the risk of moving towards the enemy and put myself in a position where i can be damaged and seen by the enemy. If i can connect my dizzy (which isnt easy) i can do high damage! My opponent can however counter me by avoiding the hit and be able to fight back.''

Snipe mentality : ''Hey look, someone is fighting over there! Hmm, my enemy is outnumbered by multiple of my team but i can help from 48m away without an option to be countered. SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE.. oh no, he hasnt died and moves towards me. Time to run/cloak away and try again from safety (48m). This is dangerous.. i wish there was a wall i could stand on.''

People who spam dizzy are funny, people who spam snipe are horrible people who just want to ruin other people their experience. Snipe really promotes a cancerous playstyle

LOL, then just take all ranged play out of the game.
Yep Archers are effective.

nryerson1025

Kanar wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

nryerson1025 wrote: »

Oh no snipe is broken

Not everyone uses it to gank. I use it as a 40m dizzy swing with major defile.

It's spreading.

I would think you should know better that snipe is not even very strong. It's easy to dodge or break los. I mean, it's better than dizzy but that's not really saying much.

There's a lot of tears about snipe in this thread. Wonder how long before the tears start flowing for double infused DW twin slashes.

This is probably the most uniformed or possibly even self deceitful comment in this thread. Easy to dodge? Break Los? By the time we hear the snipe, one player has fired off two of them, typically reducing health to ~40%.

THEN, the victim being sniped must spot the sniper in a very large radius, while you're saying dodge roll? Are you suggesting that summersaulting across a 40 meter radius area JUST to pinpoint the attacker is easy?

But sure it is easy to break los. But how does the sniper react? He close cloaks and either leaves or waits until you're in a much more vulnerable position--being xV1ed maybe and then does it again

Olupajmibanan

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Please, we need a word on this.

We know that there is a lot of stuff going on now, after the update, but we need to know that this thread (and the Uppercut issue) isn't unnoticed by the dev team.

Sorry for bothering you.

Koensol

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Please, we need a word on this.

We know that there is a lot of stuff going on now, after the update, but we need to know that this thread (and the Uppercut issue) isn't unnoticed by the dev team.

Sorry for bothering you.

I read in the templar discord that the devs are looking into it. The above video has also been sent to them. So let's hope that they will fix this asap. But I agree, it would help a lot if they would just openly acknowledge the issue and tell us they are looking into it.