Dizzy swing completely broken

Crixus8000 · October 2018

usmcjdking wrote: »

The sad thing is Dizzy Swing is so strong with the speed nerfs this patch.

But so impossibly difficult to use ATM.

I disagree. Other players might not be moving that fast but now I'm not either because of the nerfs, and moving like a snail definitely makes this skill harder to land imo.

Koensol · October 2018

BigBragg wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

All I know is that the Templar class rep apparently said on the Templar discord channel that the uppercut bug was passed on... let’s see if they listen to the reps at all, since what I’ve gathered is that they ignore most of their feedback

Okay so in two or three updates we will read a short quip like, "Fixed an issue where Dizzing Swing wasn't tracking properly."

They will probably ninja fix it at some point in the far future, without any acknowledgement. Just how they went about the sheer venom bug that broke cloak, that had been in the game for ages.

Valykc · October 2018

BigBragg wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

All I know is that the Templar class rep apparently said on the Templar discord channel that the uppercut bug was passed on... let’s see if they listen to the reps at all, since what I’ve gathered is that they ignore most of their feedback

Okay so in two or three updates we will read a short quip like, "Fixed an issue where Dizzing Swing wasn't tracking properly."

Or properly adjusted the tooltip to display to targeting requirements for uppercut and its morphs. This ability is working as intended.

Aurielle · October 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

Sadly the DS users are a minority nowadays sooo... good luck I'd say.

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

There is a way to know if this thread has been noticed by ZoS.

Start flooding with vulgar, rasistic, sexual, violent and Wrobel-insulting posts, and let's see if they react anyhow

We must draw their attention somehow.

somewhat worked for magsorcs though.

What do you mean “worked”? Magsorc is currently in the worst state it has been in for a LONG time.

deservedly so. old magsorc/magblade playstyle was extremely broken and was revolving around the shield spam crutch. I'm glad they buffed other things like c.frags and overload and nerfed the ez crutch shield spam. Now you'll have to actually give a damn about pressure, positioning, survival and build-play accordingly.

Thought I'm not saying don't buff sorcs ever, I don't care how good or bad sorcs are. I just want them to use their brains when they play instead of smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop.

*rolls eyes*

I use my brain plenty, thanks. The only shield I use is Hardened Ward. There are PLENTY of sorcs and other magicka users out there who rely on a single shield. If anyone is “smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop” then they’re doing extremely little damage. When Murkmire goes live, I might as well just take Ward off my back bar. Waste of magicka.

Ragnarock41 · October 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

Sadly the DS users are a minority nowadays sooo... good luck I'd say.

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

There is a way to know if this thread has been noticed by ZoS.

Start flooding with vulgar, rasistic, sexual, violent and Wrobel-insulting posts, and let's see if they react anyhow

We must draw their attention somehow.

somewhat worked for magsorcs though.

What do you mean “worked”? Magsorc is currently in the worst state it has been in for a LONG time.

deservedly so. old magsorc/magblade playstyle was extremely broken and was revolving around the shield spam crutch. I'm glad they buffed other things like c.frags and overload and nerfed the ez crutch shield spam. Now you'll have to actually give a damn about pressure, positioning, survival and build-play accordingly.

Thought I'm not saying don't buff sorcs ever, I don't care how good or bad sorcs are. I just want them to use their brains when they play instead of smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop.

*rolls eyes*

I use my brain plenty, thanks. The only shield I use is Hardened Ward. There are PLENTY of sorcs and other magicka users out there who rely on a single shield. If anyone is “smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop” then they’re doing extremely little damage. When Murkmire goes live, I might as well just take Ward off my back bar. Waste of magicka.

Please, I'm sick of reading sorc QQ, there are special threads for that.

Parobro · October 2018

the real sad part is, that zos didnt ansered to any of the dizzy threads, and this is awkward, really *** and sad at the same time, so yea, rip us all and now we have to learn this skill again.

Aurielle · October 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

Sadly the DS users are a minority nowadays sooo... good luck I'd say.

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

There is a way to know if this thread has been noticed by ZoS.

Start flooding with vulgar, rasistic, sexual, violent and Wrobel-insulting posts, and let's see if they react anyhow

We must draw their attention somehow.

somewhat worked for magsorcs though.

What do you mean “worked”? Magsorc is currently in the worst state it has been in for a LONG time.

deservedly so. old magsorc/magblade playstyle was extremely broken and was revolving around the shield spam crutch. I'm glad they buffed other things like c.frags and overload and nerfed the ez crutch shield spam. Now you'll have to actually give a damn about pressure, positioning, survival and build-play accordingly.

Thought I'm not saying don't buff sorcs ever, I don't care how good or bad sorcs are. I just want them to use their brains when they play instead of smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop.

*rolls eyes*

I use my brain plenty, thanks. The only shield I use is Hardened Ward. There are PLENTY of sorcs and other magicka users out there who rely on a single shield. If anyone is “smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop” then they’re doing extremely little damage. When Murkmire goes live, I might as well just take Ward off my back bar. Waste of magicka.

Please, I'm sick of reading sorc QQ, there are special threads for that.

And I’m sick of reading claims that shields were “OP” and “broken.”

Parobro · October 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

Sadly the DS users are a minority nowadays sooo... good luck I'd say.

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

There is a way to know if this thread has been noticed by ZoS.

Start flooding with vulgar, rasistic, sexual, violent and Wrobel-insulting posts, and let's see if they react anyhow

We must draw their attention somehow.

somewhat worked for magsorcs though.

What do you mean “worked”? Magsorc is currently in the worst state it has been in for a LONG time.

deservedly so. old magsorc/magblade playstyle was extremely broken and was revolving around the shield spam crutch. I'm glad they buffed other things like c.frags and overload and nerfed the ez crutch shield spam. Now you'll have to actually give a damn about pressure, positioning, survival and build-play accordingly.

Thought I'm not saying don't buff sorcs ever, I don't care how good or bad sorcs are. I just want them to use their brains when they play instead of smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop.

*rolls eyes*

I use my brain plenty, thanks. The only shield I use is Hardened Ward. There are PLENTY of sorcs and other magicka users out there who rely on a single shield. If anyone is “smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop” then they’re doing extremely little damage. When Murkmire goes live, I might as well just take Ward off my back bar. Waste of magicka.

Please, I'm sick of reading sorc QQ, there are special threads for that.

And I’m sick of reading claims that shields were “OP” and “broken.”

shield stacking was, but now, with sorcs and amgblades running with light armor and 25k resistances around, the cap to 50% doesnt do ***.

the aoe reduction, the speed nerf and all that *** kills atm the game and it jsut makes no fun anymore, if this stays, plus the dizzy im leaving the game, as simple as that

Chilly-McFreeze · October 2018

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

Call it schadenfreude.

If the devs don't kill this game, this community will.

Bosov · October 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

Call it schadenfreude.

If the devs don't kill this game, this community will.

The only problem is that there currently is no other mmo to play. If a good mmo with fun balanced pvp would release im deleting eso. On console it is even worse because there are hardly any mmo's out there.

When other quality mmo's would release i think a lot of pvp players will stop playing eso.

Ragnarock41 · October 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

Call it schadenfreude.

If the devs don't kill this game, this community will.

A passionate community can keep a dead game alive, and also vice versa. Games(especially online ones) are only really alive because there is a community for them.

Crixus8000 · October 2018

Parobro wrote: »

the real sad part is, that zos didnt ansered to any of the dizzy threads, and this is awkward, really *** and sad at the same time, so yea, rip us all and now we have to learn this skill again.

Doesn't matter how good you are, this is not a learning issue. The skill is just terrible right now. I only have one char I play so I can't even play the game right now. It's so annoying.

Olupajmibanan · October 2018

BigBragg wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

All I know is that the Templar class rep apparently said on the Templar discord channel that the uppercut bug was passed on... let’s see if they listen to the reps at all, since what I’ve gathered is that they ignore most of their feedback

Okay so in two or three updates we will read a short quip like, "Fixed an issue where Dizzing Swing wasn't tracking properly."

Dark Flare, Snipe, Inevitable Detonation, all are bugged the way Uppercut is. Don't know about Force Siphon but my guess is, it's the same.

Not a single post from ZoS. On a GLOBAL cast-time targeted abilities issue. Should I make an opinion on this?

An_An · October 2018

Wonder if they would have been so silent if the issue was with Endless Hail, Wall of elements (PvE main abilities).
At the same time I feel 6 pages is a bit less for an issue as big as this.

Koensol · October 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

Sadly the DS users are a minority nowadays sooo... good luck I'd say.

Aurielle wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

There is a way to know if this thread has been noticed by ZoS.

Start flooding with vulgar, rasistic, sexual, violent and Wrobel-insulting posts, and let's see if they react anyhow

We must draw their attention somehow.

somewhat worked for magsorcs though.

What do you mean “worked”? Magsorc is currently in the worst state it has been in for a LONG time.

deservedly so. old magsorc/magblade playstyle was extremely broken and was revolving around the shield spam crutch. I'm glad they buffed other things like c.frags and overload and nerfed the ez crutch shield spam. Now you'll have to actually give a damn about pressure, positioning, survival and build-play accordingly.

Thought I'm not saying don't buff sorcs ever, I don't care how good or bad sorcs are. I just want them to use their brains when they play instead of smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop.

*rolls eyes*

I use my brain plenty, thanks. The only shield I use is Hardened Ward. There are PLENTY of sorcs and other magicka users out there who rely on a single shield. If anyone is “smashing the shields for 20 minutes non stop” then they’re doing extremely little damage. When Murkmire goes live, I might as well just take Ward off my back bar. Waste of magicka.

Please, I'm sick of reading sorc QQ, there are special threads for that.

And I’m sick of reading claims that shields were “OP” and “broken.”

Fighting sorcs in CP with 21k stacked shields was a damn chore most of the time. Period. Especially if they also wore engine guardian to sustain it for even longer.

Anyway, that is not what this thread is about. So keep the sorc tears out of this thread please. There are some people on these forums that are attracted to these tears like bees to honey who'd love to jump on that bandwagon. Only thing I am trying to do here is to keep this thread under the attention of ZOS.

Immovablestone · October 2018

That they're not even moderating this thread when it gets derailed from the original topic like they do everything else is very telling about the situation, it's like the goofs who run this game are pissed off teenagers, this is pretty sad...

Has there been anything, anywhere, where they even acknowledge this yet?

Olupajmibanan · October 2018

I am sure they are aware of this thread, they just don't want to answer.

Parobro · October 2018

thats not how it works, "just dont wanna answer" as a company is poor, not right and moraly completly f'ed up.

they just show us they dont care, and thats not even good for their game, but who cares if 100 people leave the game for that, otehr will join and take it as it is.

nevertheless, they could say: were aware of it, if u have informations please let us know <- this is normal procedure, because if they would know what does that they had fixed it already.

Valykc · October 2018

I already cancelled my sub and uninstalled. Sick of being ignored.

Burtan · October 2018

Valykc wrote: »

I already cancelled my sub and uninstalled. Sick of being ignored.

+ Will follow very soon. PvP has never been in such a sorry state in terms of combat, which is a shame because the new changes to cyrodiil itself are awesome.

Aliyavana · October 2018

still no comment on this

xMauiWaui · October 2018

Comment from Zos on Forum? - i say no.

Sneaky comment next patch in 1-4 Weeks("Fixed a problem with Dizzy Swing") - i say yes : P

Salvas_Aren · October 2018

Numerikuu wrote: »

Yikes. I wonder what else is broken then

Templer's javelin is also broken. Both morphs, jabs and sweeps, now have a lag-type cast time or cool off. It is annoying as it can be.

Rukzadlithau · October 2018

This is out of control.

Immovablestone · October 2018

ZOS = release patch full of untested broken stuff, then head to twitchcon and ignore your playerbase. None of these kids will ever work anywhere else, lol.

rfennell_ESO · October 2018

Koensol wrote: »

ZOS, with the Murkmire patch, dizzy swing is now completely unreliable and broken. It was always a challenge to reliably it this ability, especially in lag and against mobile opponents that circle around you. Right now though, it is completely broken. And I think this has to do with what you changed in the aiming system, to make templar jabs hit more reliably.

You can test this on any mob, player or dummy. Try 3 different things:
1. Stand still in front of the dummy, and cast dizzy swing, while aiming at the dummy. It will will not cancel.
2. Use dizzy swing while moving backwards and forwards, aiming at the dummy. It will not cancel.
3. Use dizzy swing while circling around the dummy, while trying to aim at the dummy. You will notice that it will sometimes cancel.

When I repeatedly tested scenario 3, I found out that the moment you take your reticule off the target just one tiny bit, the animation will cancel. This practically makes dizzy swing useless for pvp where the target will be moving around, and through you, and where you will be snared very often. This was always a problem, but with this change to the aiming system or w/e it was that you did, it just doesn't work at all anymore.

What I often used to do to force a hit on dizzy swing was activate dizzy swing, move through/past the opponent, turn around and hit your opponent while moving towards him. This now isn't possible anymore because by moving through/past the opponent your reticule will be off the target for a fraction of a sec. It is unrealistic to be able to keep the reticule on target 100% of the time in a pvp battle. I can guarantee you the skill will be useless if it stays like this.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you please bring this issue to the attention of the devs? Dizzy swing always was a very unreliable ability as it was, and it took skill and coördination to land it. Please don't let this playstyle stay in this broken state.

EDIT: Just tried it in a duel and it is impossible to land a hit. Well done ZOS!!

The fact they haven't even replied made me check when the current billing on my sub is... They have until then, I guess.

Aliyavana · October 2018

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

ZOS, with the Murkmire patch, dizzy swing is now completely unreliable and broken. It was always a challenge to reliably it this ability, especially in lag and against mobile opponents that circle around you. Right now though, it is completely broken. And I think this has to do with what you changed in the aiming system, to make templar jabs hit more reliably.

You can test this on any mob, player or dummy. Try 3 different things:
1. Stand still in front of the dummy, and cast dizzy swing, while aiming at the dummy. It will will not cancel.
2. Use dizzy swing while moving backwards and forwards, aiming at the dummy. It will not cancel.
3. Use dizzy swing while circling around the dummy, while trying to aim at the dummy. You will notice that it will sometimes cancel.

When I repeatedly tested scenario 3, I found out that the moment you take your reticule off the target just one tiny bit, the animation will cancel. This practically makes dizzy swing useless for pvp where the target will be moving around, and through you, and where you will be snared very often. This was always a problem, but with this change to the aiming system or w/e it was that you did, it just doesn't work at all anymore.

What I often used to do to force a hit on dizzy swing was activate dizzy swing, move through/past the opponent, turn around and hit your opponent while moving towards him. This now isn't possible anymore because by moving through/past the opponent your reticule will be off the target for a fraction of a sec. It is unrealistic to be able to keep the reticule on target 100% of the time in a pvp battle. I can guarantee you the skill will be useless if it stays like this.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you please bring this issue to the attention of the devs? Dizzy swing always was a very unreliable ability as it was, and it took skill and coördination to land it. Please don't let this playstyle stay in this broken state.

EDIT: Just tried it in a duel and it is impossible to land a hit. Well done ZOS!!

The fact they haven't even replied made me check when the current billing on my sub is... They have until then, I guess.

Burtan · October 2018

Well there is a patch on Monday so lets hope its not just wolf mounts being added into the crown store.

templesus · October 2018

Uninstalled and unsubbed. The fact this thread has gotten no response is just flat out disrespectful. Especially when you factor in that usually the people using Dizzying are higher tiered players. Just ridiculous.

Koensol · October 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Wrobel Just look at the amount of (longtime) players in this thread that are already unsubbing, simply because of a lack of communication. There are a couple of major issues like this in this patch that require just a simple comment saying "we are aware of the issue". Just a simple comment like that would have been enough, but it seems you simply don't care. This is not just dumb, but also extremely neglectful towards players that have supported this game for years now, some even loyal beta testers.

Honestly, if there is nothing about this issue in the patch notes... I'm just gonna say screw you and screw this game. You can edit my comment or close this thread. I don't give a frak anymore. I'm sure there are others that would instantly make a new thread anyway.