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Increase the range of Uppercut to 40 meters.
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To match it's bow cousin, Snipe. They do about the same damage, with the same cast time and targeting requirements so I see no reason why they shouldn't have the same range.
Balance.
Balance.
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✭✭✭They could even give it a cool animation like werewolf howl.
Which brings in my next post.
Increase the range of WW Howl to 40 meters.0331
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✭In cyrodiil, 2h/bow isn't that bad. You can use the 40m dizzy swing from bow AND FM/rally from 2h.0 -
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✭✭This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!8 -
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✭✭You get an "Awesome" just for asking for an actual buff during the Nerfmire patch, though
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Only if they also add in a healing component too. Honestly Slice needs a buff so that people will start using it more.0 -
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✭✭✭✭This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.0 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.0331
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✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
Yeah... no.
This is Dizzying Swing in a min-max'd Onslaught build in noCP. Note that I'd get even more tooltip damage with something other than Balorgh (and I haven't transmuted the jewelry to Infused yet on that build to add another 500'ish to tooltip).
...and here's a min-max'd bow build (again in noCP):
Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
If I were to nitpick I'd point out that Dizzying Swing also benefits from the bosmer/khajiit stealth damage & NB +10% weapon dmg passives as unlike with bow you actually land the hardest hitting ability first (where as bow typically lands the light attack before Lethal Arrow).Edited by DDuke on October 1, 2018 11:41PM1 -
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✭This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
I haven't tested this, buy I would imagine the appeal to use Snipe in the melee gank is tied to the slight flight time delay. This would align the Snipe hit better with the Incap, at least that is the only thing I can think of. Because yeah, otherwise there really is no reason not to Uppercut.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..0 -
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✭✭✭✭This thread makes me giggle but one thing is for sure, the day is coming where different skills will no longer be different skills.1 -
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✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
Yeah... no.
This is Dizzying Swing in a min-max'd Onslaught build in noCP. Note that I'd get even more tooltip damage with something other than Balorgh (and I haven't transmuted the jewelry to Infused yet on that build to add another 500'ish to tooltip).
...and here's a min-max'd bow build (again in noCP):
Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
If I were to nitpick I'd point out that Dizzying Swing also benefits from the bosmer/khajiit stealth damage & NB +10% weapon dmg passives as unlike with bow you actually land the hardest hitting ability first (where as bow typically lands the light attack before Lethal Arrow).
Builds aren't even remotely the same.
In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.Edited by usmcjdking on October 2, 2018 12:15AM0331
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✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
Yeah... no.
This is Dizzying Swing in a min-max'd Onslaught build in noCP. Note that I'd get even more tooltip damage with something other than Balorgh (and I haven't transmuted the jewelry to Infused yet on that build to add another 500'ish to tooltip).
...and here's a min-max'd bow build (again in noCP):
Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
If I were to nitpick I'd point out that Dizzying Swing also benefits from the bosmer/khajiit stealth damage & NB +10% weapon dmg passives as unlike with bow you actually land the hardest hitting ability first (where as bow typically lands the light attack before Lethal Arrow).
Builds aren't even remotely the same.
In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
Obviously.
There's different things you slot to min-max bow & different things you slot to min-max 2H melee dmg.usmcjdking wrote: »In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
If you bothered to read:DDuke wrote:Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
You could add a flat +12% (which Long Shots isn't - it's bundled up with every other % modifier) to that Lethal Arrow tooltip & it wouldn't surpass the Dizzying Swing one.0 -
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✭✭✭✭dont forget to make sure u can land 3 to 4 uppercuts in the same instant with no chance for counterplay! and defile! it needs defile!
You mean something like this?
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✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
Yeah... no.
This is Dizzying Swing in a min-max'd Onslaught build in noCP. Note that I'd get even more tooltip damage with something other than Balorgh (and I haven't transmuted the jewelry to Infused yet on that build to add another 500'ish to tooltip).
...and here's a min-max'd bow build (again in noCP):
Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
If I were to nitpick I'd point out that Dizzying Swing also benefits from the bosmer/khajiit stealth damage & NB +10% weapon dmg passives as unlike with bow you actually land the hardest hitting ability first (where as bow typically lands the light attack before Lethal Arrow).
Builds aren't even remotely the same.
In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
Obviously.
There's different things you slot to min-max bow & different things you slot to min-max 2H melee dmg.usmcjdking wrote: »In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
If you bothered to read:DDuke wrote:Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
You could add a flat +12% (which Long Shots isn't - it's bundled up with every other % modifier) to that Lethal Arrow tooltip & it wouldn't surpass the Dizzying Swing one.
I didn't say they would deal the same damage, but that puts it at ~ 92% of the damage of a melee, 1 second channel that is significantly less forgiving in executing and far more dangerous to execute as it puts you in range of melee & ranged attacks.
So what entirely is your point?0331
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✭✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
Yeah... no.
This is Dizzying Swing in a min-max'd Onslaught build in noCP. Note that I'd get even more tooltip damage with something other than Balorgh (and I haven't transmuted the jewelry to Infused yet on that build to add another 500'ish to tooltip).
...and here's a min-max'd bow build (again in noCP):
Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
If I were to nitpick I'd point out that Dizzying Swing also benefits from the bosmer/khajiit stealth damage & NB +10% weapon dmg passives as unlike with bow you actually land the hardest hitting ability first (where as bow typically lands the light attack before Lethal Arrow).
Builds aren't even remotely the same.
In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
Obviously.
There's different things you slot to min-max bow & different things you slot to min-max 2H melee dmg.usmcjdking wrote: »In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
If you bothered to read:DDuke wrote:Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
You could add a flat +12% (which Long Shots isn't - it's bundled up with every other % modifier) to that Lethal Arrow tooltip & it wouldn't surpass the Dizzying Swing one.
I didn't say they would deal the same damage, but that puts it at ~ 92% of the damage of a melee, 1 second channel that is significantly less forgiving in executing and far more dangerous to execute as it puts you in range of melee & ranged attacks.
So what entirely is your point?
His point is his sarcasm radar stopped working in an obvious joke thread lol. Except are we joking
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✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
Yeah... no.
This is Dizzying Swing in a min-max'd Onslaught build in noCP. Note that I'd get even more tooltip damage with something other than Balorgh (and I haven't transmuted the jewelry to Infused yet on that build to add another 500'ish to tooltip).
...and here's a min-max'd bow build (again in noCP):
Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
If I were to nitpick I'd point out that Dizzying Swing also benefits from the bosmer/khajiit stealth damage & NB +10% weapon dmg passives as unlike with bow you actually land the hardest hitting ability first (where as bow typically lands the light attack before Lethal Arrow).
Builds aren't even remotely the same.
In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
Obviously.
There's different things you slot to min-max bow & different things you slot to min-max 2H melee dmg.usmcjdking wrote: »In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
If you bothered to read:DDuke wrote:Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
You could add a flat +12% (which Long Shots isn't - it's bundled up with every other % modifier) to that Lethal Arrow tooltip & it wouldn't surpass the Dizzying Swing one.
I didn't say they would deal the same damage, but that puts it at ~ 92% of the damage of a melee, 1 second channel that is significantly less forgiving in executing and far more dangerous to execute as it puts you in range of melee & ranged attacks.
So what entirely is your point?
Point is thatusmcjdking wrote:Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
...is fake news and only serves to cause more people to QQ about the damage of snipe (which isn't the issue - bugs/exploits are).1 -
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✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »This thread is ridiculous...
Obviously what they should do is reduce to range of Snipe to 7 meters, to match Uppercut. You have it totally backwards!
I see people already do those melee snipes when ganking with Incaps & whatnot.
Shame they haven't realized yet they could use Uppercut for much more damage (yes, it deals more damage) since they're in melee range anyway.
Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
Yeah... no.
This is Dizzying Swing in a min-max'd Onslaught build in noCP. Note that I'd get even more tooltip damage with something other than Balorgh (and I haven't transmuted the jewelry to Infused yet on that build to add another 500'ish to tooltip).
...and here's a min-max'd bow build (again in noCP):
Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
If I were to nitpick I'd point out that Dizzying Swing also benefits from the bosmer/khajiit stealth damage & NB +10% weapon dmg passives as unlike with bow you actually land the hardest hitting ability first (where as bow typically lands the light attack before Lethal Arrow).
Builds aren't even remotely the same.
In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
Obviously.
There's different things you slot to min-max bow & different things you slot to min-max 2H melee dmg.usmcjdking wrote: »In addition to not adding the multiplicative longshots passive.
If you bothered to read:DDuke wrote:Same buffs etc, you can see that even with Long Shots you won't be dealing more damage with Lethal Arrow (except with Asylum Bow).
You could add a flat +12% (which Long Shots isn't - it's bundled up with every other % modifier) to that Lethal Arrow tooltip & it wouldn't surpass the Dizzying Swing one.
I didn't say they would deal the same damage, but that puts it at ~ 92% of the damage of a melee, 1 second channel that is significantly less forgiving in executing and far more dangerous to execute as it puts you in range of melee & ranged attacks.
So what entirely is your point?
Point is thatusmcjdking wrote:Uppercut will only deal more damage in the event you aren't getting anything significant out of longshots.
...is fake news and only serves to cause more people to QQ about the damage of snipe (which isn't the issue - bugs/exploits are).
Same build or don't bother responding.0331
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Myux✭✭✭dont forget to make sure u can land 3 to 4 uppercuts in the same instant with no chance for counterplay! and defile! it needs defile!
You mean something like this?https://youtu.be/ohJ91nRKFe0
yeah! but the thing about that it its a rare occurance for any channeled/cast time skills. unless you use them from cloak, and use a projectile, where its much more consistent. snipe doesnt uncloak you until the projectile lands. that factor alone causes a *** of buggy behaviour that results in the accidental exploiting thats so common among zerglings and casual players who just wanna play a stealth archer.
theres nothing wrong with wanting to play a stealth archer, but in pvp theres no *** gameplay involved! its range is too far, it does too much damage and utility, and its too buggy in favor of the sniper. absolutely no danger involved for all of the advantage. as in every other videogame with a sniper archetype, its weakness should be line of sight, except if you play mag you CANT. MOVE. EVER if youre under attack by at least 1 other person. and also the whole "it will literally oneshot you if the game decides to queue up the shots" thing too. also stealth in this game means you literally cant see them until they hit you. if a shot is queued up and youre already being attacked by a dude you are already dead.0 -
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✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »To match it's bow cousin, Snipe. They do about the same damage, with the same cast time and targeting requirements so I see no reason why they shouldn't have the same range.
Balance.
I'm pretty sure the people that don't like getting sniped won't be happy until snipe is 1 meter range to target and heals the target and permanently puts a revealing flare on the sniper and then displays LOL in bright red capital letters in the middle of their screen.1 -
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✭ZOS plz. My Stamblade would appreciate this change.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0
