Patch 4.2.2 - Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic morphs

joaaocaampos

Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic morphs.

Someone explains to me ... How will it work?

"Hardened Ward (morph): This morph now only ranks up the damage shield strength, instead of shield strength and caster self-shield bonus."
"Dampen Magic (morph): Fixed an issue where this morph was not scaling in size based on how many pieces of Light Armor your character was wearing."

So... No "60% of caster's max health" choosing these morphs?

And... Bastion CP?

In my opinion, the cap should be increased to over 40% with Bastion and both morphs.

• +20% of caster's max health for Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic morphs.
• +25% of caster's max health for Bastion CP.
• That is, a sorcerer using Hardened Ward and 100 CPs in Bastion = cap the total shield amount to 85% of your character’s maximum health.

BTW, what is going on?

Anken5

Yes its not very clear... What is the purpose of these morphs with a hp cap ?

Syiccal

I have no idea what they are talking about in regards to hardend ward

joaaocaampos

Anken5 wrote: »

Yes its not very clear... What is the purpose of these morphs with a hp cap ?

Exactly! If I choose Empowered Ward or Harness Magicka, even then I'll hit the 40% cap easily.

And BASTION! Any word?

codestripper

Can someone hop on the PTS real quick and look? I'm at work right now or else I would.

SammyFable

Hardened Ward is now completely useless, because a mag sorc will generally have enough Magicka to get Empowered Ward to the 40% Max Health Cap. So Hardened Ward will no longer grant the morph bonus of a stronger shield, it will just be a Morph that gives nothing. Obiously that applies for characters, that have enough Magicka to get Empowered Ward to hit the cap.

This screenshot shows, that this happens to a Mag Sorc in PvE Gear.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Please pass that issue along and get some changes to Hardened Ward (and probably Dampen Magic as well, but that's hard to test with the current bug on Harness Magic) to keep it a worthwile morph choice. Maybe increase the potency of the resistances that apply to them, or give them another passive buff.

codestripper

SammyFable wrote: »

Hardened Ward is now completely useless, because a mag sorc will generally have enough Magicka to get Empowered Ward to the 40% Max Health Cap. So Hardened Ward will no longer grant the morph bonus of a stronger shield, it will just be a Morph that gives nothing. Obiously that applies for characters, that have enough Magicka to get Empowered Ward to hit the cap.

This screenshot shows, that this happens to a Mag Sorc in PvE Gear.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Please pass that issue along and get some changes to Hardened Ward (and probably Dampen Magic as well, but that's hard to test with the current bug on Harness Magic) to keep it a worthwile morph choice. Maybe increase the potency of the resistances that apply to them, or give them another passive buff.

So what about bastion? any help there?

Apherius

Yup, now the choice in PVE is not even interesting between both conjured ward morphs, both give me the same strength cause low health and high magicka pool....

Dampen and hardened should not increase the shield strenght but the health based cap, make it 60% for hardened and dampen should increase the cap by 2,5% for each piece of light armor worn.

Syiccal

Apherius wrote: »

Yup, now the choice in PVE is not even interesting between both conjured ward morphs, both give me the same strength cause low health and high magicka pool....

Dampen and hardened should not increase the shield strenght but the health based cap, make it 60% for hardened and dampen should increase the cap by 2,5% for each piece of light armor worn.

with shields susseptable to penetration/crits I would take the increase in strength as opposed to a larger shield from more health. What's an extra 1-2k when a crit will wipe it any way

Apherius

Syiccal wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Yup, now the choice in PVE is not even interesting between both conjured ward morphs, both give me the same strength cause low health and high magicka pool....

Dampen and hardened should not increase the shield strenght but the health based cap, make it 60% for hardened and dampen should increase the cap by 2,5% for each piece of light armor worn.

with shields susseptable to penetration/crits I would take the increase in strength as opposed to a larger shield from more health. What's an extra 1-2k when a crit will wipe it any way

There is not crit in PVE, maybe it could increase the potency of the resistances that apply to them like said Sammy ? It would help in PVE and PVP.

Natas013

Don’t hold your breath on the health cap increase, you’re more likely to get them to make harden and dampen increase the shields resistance. If they do that then it should be a flat increases on hardened, not percentage based, and based on light armor pieces worn on dampen

Anken5

So the cast time was finally better.

At least with the cast time shields were stronger. Its was a buff and a nerf at the same time.

Now with the hp cap its just a huge nerf. My hardened ward is 30k+ now, and will be just 7k after the patch.

Its sad. People should have accept the cast.

codestripper

Anken5 wrote: »

So the cast time was finally better.

At least with the cast time shields were stronger. Its was a buff and a nerf in the same time.

Now with the hp cap its just a huge nerf. My hardened ward is 30k+ now, and will be just 7k after the patch.

Its sad. People should have accept the cast.

No, the cast time is much worse. I can still pull 45k with an instant cast shield, I can hardly hit 34k with the cast time shield. (factoring it into my rotation as I would in a dungeon)

Would you like a survivability nerf or a huge damage nerf? I'll take the survivability nerf thank you.

Syiccal

Apherius wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Yup, now the choice in PVE is not even interesting between both conjured ward morphs, both give me the same strength cause low health and high magicka pool....

Dampen and hardened should not increase the shield strenght but the health based cap, make it 60% for hardened and dampen should increase the cap by 2,5% for each piece of light armor worn.

with shields susseptable to penetration/crits I would take the increase in strength as opposed to a larger shield from more health. What's an extra 1-2k when a crit will wipe it any way

There is not crit in PVE, maybe it could increase the potency of the resistances that apply to them like said Sammy ? It would help in PVE and PVP.

yea I should clarify, that is what I ment an increase in resistance would be more of a benifit. I was just using the 1-2k as an example that it wouldn't benifit in pvp

Galarthor

Anken5 wrote: »

So the cast time was finally better.

At least with the cast time shields were stronger. Its was a buff and a nerf in the same time.

Now with the hp cap its just a huge nerf. My hardened ward is 30k+ now, and will be just 7k after the patch.

Its sad. People should have accept the cast.

40% is crap I agree, but cast time is even worse. Dead people don't cast shields anymore. PvE it might have worked, but in PvP it would never have.

And fyi: the cast time was not a buff and a nerf, it was a flat nerf unless you we wearing full heavy armor.

Anken5

codestripper wrote: »

Anken5 wrote: »

So the cast time was finally better.

At least with the cast time shields were stronger. Its was a buff and a nerf in the same time.

Now with the hp cap its just a huge nerf. My hardened ward is 30k+ now, and will be just 7k after the patch.

Its sad. People should have accept the cast.

No, the cast time is much worse. I can still pull 45k with an instant cast shield, I can hardly hit 34k with the cast time shield. (factoring it into my rotation as I would in a dungeon)

Would you like a survivability nerf or a huge damage nerf? I'll take the survivability nerf thank you.

They could let us choose. Why play a max magicka build now ?

SammyFable

codestripper wrote: »

SammyFable wrote: »

Hardened Ward is now completely useless, because a mag sorc will generally have enough Magicka to get Empowered Ward to the 40% Max Health Cap. So Hardened Ward will no longer grant the morph bonus of a stronger shield, it will just be a Morph that gives nothing. Obiously that applies for characters, that have enough Magicka to get Empowered Ward to hit the cap.

This screenshot shows, that this happens to a Mag Sorc in PvE Gear.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Please pass that issue along and get some changes to Hardened Ward (and probably Dampen Magic as well, but that's hard to test with the current bug on Harness Magic) to keep it a worthwile morph choice. Maybe increase the potency of the resistances that apply to them, or give them another passive buff.

So what about bastion? any help there?

Bastion doesn't do anything for these shields, as long as you're at the cap. But I wouldn't ask for a change to bastion, as it still buffs (or should buff) the shields, that don't have a cap.

joaaocaampos

So... Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic morphs, and Bastion are useless now, right?

Xvorg

Typical ZoS... fixing what's not broken

Galarthor

Xvorg wrote: »

Typical ZoS... fixing what's not broken

and in the process breaking it.

It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Yea, just tested it with a pet sork on almost 19k hp. got 7600 shield. Basteon does nothing to it. So basically it is 7600 shield +20% resistances = 9120 if the old shield value. so its gonna hit hard. and this 7k shield will just melt in trials when some bosses do bleed damage like Felms as it will ignore resistance (not that they will give that much to its value at its current state)

They should make the shield cap to be applied before basteon so that we get something out of it. Plus they need to make Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic morphs to give additional shield percentage to the max cap.

At this state this shield is useless. Better just run lightning form and take a stamina DD space or dont do trials at all. The only people that wont be bothered that much with this change are the ones that dont cast shields and can do hard modes without dieing which are very few.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

So basically people will be better off applying lightning form and putting CP into resistances than casting shields. Which means healers will need to focus ranged DDs more so stamina DDs will need to heal themselves more instead of going glass cannon. Otherwise the group is dead.

idk

With 38k magicka and 17,156 Health No CP into Bastion

Conjured Ward and both morphs are 7088

Annulment is 7088
Dampen Magic is only 6862
Harness Magicka shields for 19,928

23 points into Bastion (10% increase)

Conjured Ward and both morphs are 7089

BUG with Hardened Ward - If the 23 points was placed into Bastion after the morph was selected the shield tooltip increased to 7789 but the shield itself remained 7089. Logging out and back in did not correct this discrepancy.

Annulment - 7089
Dampen Magicka is only 6863
Harness Magicka is 19,929

Clearly Bastion is no longer worth placing any points into for magicka shields.

Hardened Ward is a useless morph as it provides nothing over the base skill. It also has the tooltip bug listed above.

Harness Magicka is certainly overperforming.

I would expect Dampen Magicka to be at least on par with the base skill on PTS. It is performing worse even though the patch notes say it is perfoming better. Even if both morphs were working properly I would expect we would see a similar situation as with Conjured Ward morphs in that the hard cap on the shield does not make it worth selecting the morph that says it shields more.

NinchiTV

... just leave the shields critable.

Irylia

Wards shouldn’t be this difficult to alter.
Honestly just give us different mitigation skills

idk

Morphs are bugged, except one of the Sorc shield morphs. Batstion is bugged as well.

It seems Zos rushed these changes and basically did not get anything right about them.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Don't look at Harnes Magicka morph its bugged. It currently gives live server value, but it should be 40% like the others which is too low.

Based on testing they should make it 60% and they should make this cap harder to achieve as there is no incentive in going for high magicka build. Also they should make bastion to buff the shield strength after it is applied and not before as it currently does nothing.

But who knows they might just adjust Harnes to their planned values and leave the rest untouched. My guild was doing Immortal redeemer practice and most of the trial group that plays magicka toons only in PvE will just quit doing trials me inclusive.

joaaocaampos

Morphs are bugged, but bugs can be fixed (or not).

There is no difference between Hardened Ward and Empowered Ward, or Dampen Magic and Harness Magicka. The cap is the same for both morphs. And even if Bastion is fixed, the cap will remain the same. This is the point!

If they don't change anything, it is not worth investing in Bastion, or choose Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic.

MehVahdJukaar

So basically next patch there will be no difference between shield morphs, infact annullment and ward will be exactly the same, providing a shield just as big as bone shield. Bastion cps will be useless to. Why not just deleting these shields and adding just one with a mag ans a stam morph?

joaaocaampos

MehVahdJukaar wrote: »

So basically next patch there will be no difference between shield morphs, infact annullment and ward will be exactly the same, providing a shield just as big as bone shield. Bastion cps will be useless to. Why not just deleting these shields and adding just one with a mag ans a stam morph?

We can choose Empowered Ward (Reduced cost, increased duration and Minor Intellect) and Harness Magicka (Absorb Magicka)!

Minalan

Hardened ward needs additional resistances or minor protection or something added to it.

It's supposed to be the PVP morph... Additional armor resists, critical resist, or minor protection would make it more useful in PVP.