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Shield Changes and Bastion

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So with the cap of 40% of Max Health, does this limit Bastions' usefulness?

If it's capped at 40% of your Max Health..that means my particular shield would 6.4k Is 6.4k All I can hope to achieve, or will bastion allow me to push that number higher than 6.4k?

  • Anken5
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    If one shield morph is still with cast and no hp cap, bastion is still usefull.
  • katorga
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    If the 40% cap applies to ALL shields, then bastion is a dead CP star, and you can put the points anywhere else. Damage reduction, crit resistance, increased resistances/armor all would reduce damage to shields. It also makes shattering blows a dead star, why increase damage just to shields when you can increase all damage and have the same effect?

    I think ZOS will be sulky about having to backtrack and apply the 40% cap to just the magicka shields, lol.

    Edited by katorga on September 27, 2018 3:31PM
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    So with the cap of 40% of Max Health, does this limit Bastions' usefulness?

    If it's capped at 40% of your Max Health..that means my particular shield would 6.4k Is 6.4k All I can hope to achieve, or will bastion allow me to push that number higher than 6.4k?

    They only said this was applying to the specific skills Conjured Ward and Annulment, those skills themselves being capped but still stackable.

    Other shields and stacking couldn't be capped or they would be rendered useless, but most are capped already as they are mostly based on max health or unable to be buffed by damage stats, like enchant shields.
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    Shattering Blows also need to be removed.
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    Doesn't take into consideration what dampen magicka vs. harness magicka is going to do lol.
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  • Biro123
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    So with the cap of 40% of Max Health, does this limit Bastions' usefulness?

    If it's capped at 40% of your Max Health..that means my particular shield would 6.4k Is 6.4k All I can hope to achieve, or will bastion allow me to push that number higher than 6.4k?

    They only said this was applying to the specific skills Conjured Ward and Annulment, those skills themselves being capped but still stackable.

    Other shields and stacking couldn't be capped or they would be rendered useless, but most are capped already as they are mostly based on max health or unable to be buffed by damage stats, like enchant shields.

    They didn't say that. All they said about cunjored and annulment was that they would lose their cast time.
    The 40% applies to the TOTAL value of all shields on you. Re-read the notes.
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  • Jhalin
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    So with the cap of 40% of Max Health, does this limit Bastions' usefulness?

    If it's capped at 40% of your Max Health..that means my particular shield would 6.4k Is 6.4k All I can hope to achieve, or will bastion allow me to push that number higher than 6.4k?

    They only said this was applying to the specific skills Conjured Ward and Annulment, those skills themselves being capped but still stackable.

    Other shields and stacking couldn't be capped or they would be rendered useless, but most are capped already as they are mostly based on max health or unable to be buffed by damage stats, like enchant shields.

    They didn't say that. All they said about cunjored and annulment was that they would lose their cast time.
    The 40% applies to the TOTAL value of all shields on you. Re-read the notes.

    Given the only abilities being discussed wer Annulment and Ward, I doubt it’s going to apply to every shield in the game
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    Why would they say TOTAL shield value then? That's a direct comment on stacking, and stacking involves all shields.

    Total = adding them all up. Shield = shield.

    = Adding all shield values up and capping at 40%

    Think of the reasoning too.. they want healers to have more of a role... If that's the case, why would they let ANY shields fully protect from a burst mechanic?

    Edited by Biro123 on September 28, 2018 10:03AM
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  • heng14rwb17_ESO
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    So with the cap of 40% of Max Health, does this limit Bastions' usefulness?

    If it's capped at 40% of your Max Health..that means my particular shield would 6.4k Is 6.4k All I can hope to achieve, or will bastion allow me to push that number higher than 6.4k?

    Zos is a "genius" when it comes to math!
    May be 6.4k. Or 3.2k or even 640
  • Flaminir
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    @Biro123 Thats incorrect... Rob Garret just posted and each shield can be 40% individually... you can stack as many as you like, its each individual shield thats 40%, not as a total.
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  • Biro123
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    Flaminir wrote: »
    @Biro123 Thats incorrect... Rob Garret just posted and each shield can be 40% individually... you can stack as many as you like, its each individual shield thats 40%, not as a total.

    Man, they really need to make their notes clearer.
    So does 40% only apply to those 2 shields, or can it apply to any shield?

    Edited by Biro123 on September 28, 2018 12:14PM
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  • Jsmalls
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    @Biro123

    For Barrier to make sense it would have to just be those two damage shields, but once again time will tell.

    Real question now is, are Harden Ward and dampen magicka now being changed? Because as is they are useless to run compared to their alternate morph.
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    Flaminir wrote: »
    @Biro123 Thats incorrect... Rob Garret just posted and each shield can be 40% individually... you can stack as many as you like, its each individual shield thats 40%, not as a total.

    And thus, I was right.
    It seemed pretty obvious to me, but people had to be Chicken Little.
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    Flaminir wrote: »
    @Biro123 Thats incorrect... Rob Garret just posted and each shield can be 40% individually... you can stack as many as you like, its each individual shield thats 40%, not as a total.

    And thus, I was right.
    It seemed pretty obvious to me, but people had to be Chicken Little.

    Even so, it's still an un-necessary nerf that makes sorcs ability to deal with burst damage un-necessarily difficult.

    Again, it becomes an issue of 'is it too much trouble to run magsorcs now'. And if the answer becomes yes, especially for trial setups, people will switch, and the people who dont will do it or leave.

    This is not a good choice to give people who are allready pissed about this pattern of behavior. Eventually something will need to give.
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