(Video)Asylum Sanctorium - Saint Llothis the Pious (Solo)

  • Grayfax
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    Good show, @Universe
    Reminds me of older days in WoW when as Hunters we would try to see how difficult a dungeon we could personally take on. It's not about balance. It's about skill and working with limitations and seeing if you can push yourself harder. Long tough fight, but kudos on your accomplishment!
  • Swomp23
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    Awesome music! Gj man!
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  • AlexTheLion
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    Not to be that guy, but soloing anything on a pet sorc isn’t really that impressive. Andy S soloed the final boss of this trial on a Stam NB a while back.
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    Exactly why they are doing it for most part. I don't feel bad for PvPers, but sooner or later they have to understand and accept PvP is a tacked on mini game essentially and basically all balance changes are done with PvP in mind.

    No class should be able to solo a vet dungeon I don't think let alone trial bosses.

    Slowly slinks into shadows with unspecified class that solo's almost any vet dungeon within reason not using shields....
  • Vahrokh
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    A boss on Normal. It's a Trial boss...it's designed to be fought by how many people? One class should not be able to put out the dps, reduce it's damage, and heal. You might as well just make a classless game and just give all skills to everyone and just make everything soloable, oh wait they do have that and it's the single player Elder Scroll games..

    Come on, it's since the beginning of the game that people of every class post solo trial boss kills. You have just to be good enough and have a lot of time.
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    nemvar wrote: »

    You can absolutely still do this without shields. It would just be even more tedious because your damage would suck. Even after the nerfs I am certain that we will still see videos like these.

    Hell, I can solo most non-DLC vet dungeons on a stamblade. It's just the nature of the game.


    Also, I sometimes feel like PVE is just a tacked on minigame. It just feels so unpolished at times. The real endgame appears to be writs, fashion and fishing. We should balance stuff around that.

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    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

    99.99999% of players with shields would get demolished in seconds by Llothis. This is a video of one of the absolute best players in the game performing a feat that very, very, very few other players can match. Saying this means shields need to be nerfed into the ground is like saying:

    1). It is too easy for Stephen Curry to make a 3-pointer. Move 3-pointer back to half court! Well, what about every other player in the league?

    2). It is too easy for Aaron Judge to hit a home run. Move fences back to 500 feet! Well, what about every other hitter in the league?

    3). It is too easy for Aaron Rodgers to throw the ball the length of the field. Make football field 150 yards long! Well, what about every other quarterback in the league?

    Balancing any kind of game around the extreme accomplishments of a handful of freakishly good players is bad design.

    QFT Glad someone finally pointed this out. Can't balance on the extremes.
  • Drummerx04
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    Sure it should be. 1 person should not be able, regardless of experience, to do what 12 do. This is exactly what the issue is and a reason why the shields are being nerfed.

    So you are saying it's unreasonable for 1 person to be able to do what 12 do REGARDLESS of experience? So a pro NFL player shouldn't be able to solo against a team of toddlers? Cause that's about the level of experience difference there is between the top players and the average ESO player.

    Do you want me to look up the video of the guy who soloed the final boss of nAS with a stamblade?



    So what now? Nerf literally everything? The guy in this video soloed final trials boss. You may now be outraged and demand massive nerfs because high end players on all classes can solo content meant for large groups.
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  • MasterSpatula
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    Honestly, it's downright irresponsible to post this. Just look at this thread and all the, ahem, individuals saying this proves the class to be OP. The vast majority of Sorcs would be dead in an instant.

    But then, the majority of players didn't have infinite sustain before Morrowind. But some players did. And ZOS acted like a bad schoolteacher, punishing the whole class for a couple of kids acting up.

    A lot of players right now are on the fence of whether to quit or not next update, and you're giving ZOS reasons to go through with their appallingly-bad change. Please don't.
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  • Bevik
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    Drummerx04 wrote: »

    So you are saying it's unreasonable for 1 person to be able to do what 12 do REGARDLESS of experience? So a pro NFL player shouldn't be able to solo against a team of toddlers? Cause that's about the level of experience difference there is between the top players and the average ESO player.

    Do you want me to look up the video of the guy who soloed the final boss of nAS with a stamblade?



    So what now? Nerf literally everything? The guy in this video soloed final trials boss. You may now be outraged and demand massive nerfs because high end players on all classes can solo content meant for large groups.

    Maybe nerf vigor also so you will need a healer in PvP and most of the PvE content also. Problem solved. Actually shield nerf was a good step but not with 1s cast time. I have a pet sorc for vMA. Can spam shield and heavy attack all the way. Definitely should not work this way.
    Edited by Bevik on September 26, 2018 11:35PM
  • dem0n1k
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    Good stuff Universe! very nice solo run mate.

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  • Troneon
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    Didn't even need to read anything to know it was a Mag Sorc :D
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  • Dymence
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    Drummerx04 wrote: »

    So you are saying it's unreasonable for 1 person to be able to do what 12 do REGARDLESS of experience? So a pro NFL player shouldn't be able to solo against a team of toddlers? Cause that's about the level of experience difference there is between the top players and the average ESO player.

    Do you want me to look up the video of the guy who soloed the final boss of nAS with a stamblade?



    So what now? Nerf literally everything? The guy in this video soloed final trials boss. You may now be outraged and demand massive nerfs because high end players on all classes can solo content meant for large groups.

    Oh no, someone solo'd Saint Olms on a stamblade. Exactly why shields are getting nerfed amirite
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    Troneon wrote: »
    Didn't even need to read anything to know it was a Mag Sorc :D

    Yeah, stamblades can solo the last boss, not just the first!
  • Armatesz
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    Exactly why they are doing it for most part. I don't feel bad for PvPers, but sooner or later they have to understand and accept PvP is a tacked on mini game essentially and basically all balance changes are done with PvP in mind.

    No class should be able to solo a vet dungeon I don't think let alone trial bosses.

    Yet my counter to this is no one should be one shotted by basic ads, yet I see enough glass canon builds that are like this... then they get surprised someone can solo the same group of enemies they tried to fight.
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  • Girl_Number8
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    Exactly why they are doing it for most part. I don't feel bad for PvPers, but sooner or later they have to understand and accept PvP is a tacked on mini game essentially and basically all balance changes are done with PvP in mind.

    No class should be able to solo a vet dungeon I don't think let alone trial bosses.

    People have been soloing vet dungeons for a long time to challenge themselves and they work hard to do so. Leave the salt on your meal ffs~

    Other classes can do it too, that are far better then a sorcy~ lol

    He didn't solo all of Asylum Sanctorium, just one of the mini bosses~

    Nice vid OP, glad you are having fun ~ :blush:

    Which I thought was the whole point of a video game.
  • bottleofsyrup
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    Exactly why they are doing it for most part. I don't feel bad for PvPers, but sooner or later they have to understand and accept PvP is a tacked on mini game essentially and basically all balance changes are done with PvP in mind.

    No class should be able to solo a vet dungeon I don't think let alone trial bosses.

    Shields were nerfed because of PvE more than PvP.
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    Shields were nerfed because of PvE more than PvP.

    Ouh....I didn't see all those nerf sorcy threads and shield stackers by people playing PvE~

    Though I did see quite a lot of nerf threads from bad PvP players that suffer from butthurt, boo hoo, I died syndrome~ :)
    Edited by Girl_Number8 on September 27, 2018 1:17AM
  • Armatesz
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    People have been soloing vet dungeons for a long time to challenge themselves and they work hard to do so. Leave the salt on your meal ffs~

    Other classes can do it too, that are far better then a sorcy~ lol

    He didn't solo all of Asylum Sanctorium, just one of the mini bosses~

    Nice vid OP, glad you are having fun ~ :blush:

    Which I thought was the whole point of a video game.

    He did do the easier of the 3 bosses from personal experience, I can't do the one to the right solo but I can do the one op vid they posted.
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  • Universe
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    Grayfax wrote: »
    Good show, @Universe
    Reminds me of older days in WoW when as Hunters we would try to see how difficult a dungeon we could personally take on. It's not about balance. It's about skill and working with limitations and seeing if you can push yourself harder. Long tough fight, but kudos on your accomplishment!

    Thanks!
    I enjoy challenging myself B)
    Swomp23 wrote: »
    Awesome music! Gj man!

    Thank you!
    This music is one of my favorites :)
    Not to be that guy, but soloing anything on a pet sorc isn’t really that impressive. Andy S soloed the final boss of this trial on a Stam NB a while back.

    Andy S is an exceptional player :)
    I didn't find a single video of a player soloing Saint Llothis the Pious in Youtube except for my video.
    I can't claim that me soloing Saint Llothis the Pious is a world's first, but there is a good chance that it is a world's first.
    Also, the pet wasn't the only ability I used xD, the pet damage was only a part of my total dps.
    Honestly, it's downright irresponsible to post this. Just look at this thread and all the, ahem, individuals saying this proves the class to be OP. The vast majority of Sorcs would be dead in an instant.

    But then, the majority of players didn't have infinite sustain before Morrowind. But some players did. And ZOS acted like a bad schoolteacher, punishing the whole class for a couple of kids acting up.

    A lot of players right now are on the fence of whether to quit or not next update, and you're giving ZOS reasons to go through with their appallingly-bad change. Please don't.

    ZOS won't nerf an entire class because a few players manage to solo trial bosses.
    As long as dungeons and trials remain open to solo players ZOS presents the possibility for them to be soloed.
    It is quite possible they left all this content open for the solo players so they can try their luck :D
    It isn't veteran trial mode, it's normal trial mode.
    If I were to solo a veteran trial boss, then it could have raised some legit concerns to combat balance.

    dem0n1k wrote: »
    Good stuff Universe! very nice solo run mate.

    Thanks! :)

    People have been soloing vet dungeons for a long time to challenge themselves and they work hard to do so. Leave the salt on your meal ffs~

    Other classes can do it too, that are far better then a sorcy~ lol

    He didn't solo all of Asylum Sanctorium, just one of the mini bosses~

    Nice vid OP, glad you are having fun ~ :blush:

    Which I thought was the whole point of a video game.

    Thank you!
    It was fun but also tiring due to the long fight :)
    It required a lot of concentration, one mistake and that's it xD
    Edited by Universe on September 27, 2018 3:07PM
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  • ProfessorKittyhawk
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    Universe wrote: »

    Not only the sorcerer class can solo a trial boss, other classes are capable of that too :)
    Though only a few players are capable of doing this and it shouldn't be an indicator if there is a need for nerfs.
    Shields are fine xD, if you will watch the entire video you may notice that I dodge roll, block and change positions too, a lot.
    I had to block, dodge roll and change positions in order to survive.

    Ssh. They might nerf dodge rolling, blocking, and moving in general.
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    Ssh. They might nerf dodge rolling, blocking, and moving in general.

    and the ability to draw out weapons ROFL :D;)
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    Sure it should be. 1 person should not be able, regardless of experience, to do what 12 do. This is exactly what the issue is and a reason why the shields are being nerfed.

    Is that the reason? Because I'm pretty sure the first person to solo this trial did it on a stamblade, and since then stamblades have become the strongest dps.

    I do agree that one person should be able to do what 12 can, but there's nothing that can be done if people don't care how good they are.
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  • Universe
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    Danksta wrote: »

    Is that the reason? Because I'm pretty sure the first person to solo this trial did it on a stamblade, and since then stamblades have become the strongest dps.

    I do agree that one person should be able to do what 12 can, but there's nothing that can be done if people don't care how good they are.

    I rarely participate in a group trial run btw xD, but I play PVP much more :)
    The ZOS combat team probably doesn't care if a few players solo hard content, such as trials and it does not influence their combat balance decisions.
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  • Soundso
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    As usual i am impressed with your talent.
    Especially because i know you rarely do group trial runs.
    Cool video and nice music too! :)
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  • Universe
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    Soundso wrote: »
    As usual i am impressed with your talent.
    Especially because i know you rarely do group trial runs.
    Cool video and nice music too! :)

    Thank you :)
    I have to relearn each boss mechanics since I rarely do group trial runs.
    It is completely different when soloing since I must take everything into account and it all matters: champion passives, resistances, healing, what sorts of damage abilities to use, valid evasive maneuvers, offense tactics etc.
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  • code65536
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    Um, anyone who can do vet Asylum can solo the side bosses in normal Asylum--they're a joke to anyone who's used to the damage on vet. And as already stated, someone last year already soloed the whole trial on a stamina toon.
    Edited by code65536 on September 28, 2018 5:35PM
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  • What_In_Tarnation
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    I'm just wondering how many attempts did you try on this boss? This is indeed impressive.
  • Universe
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    code65536 wrote: »
    Um, anyone who can do vet Asylum can solo the side bosses in normal Asylum--they're a joke to anyone who's used to the damage on vet. And as already stated, someone last year already soloed the whole trial on a stamina toon.

    You are exaggerating xD :D
    Most players who did vet Asylum wouldn't be able to solo this.
    It looks easy when you're in group, but soloing it is an entirely different story.

    As for the exceptional stam nb, he only posted a video of the final boss, there are no videos of the first bosses on Youtube except for my recent video of Saint Llothis the Pious.
    Also, you can notice he was in group in the video so he probably had help from his group with the first 2 bosses.

    I'm just wondering how many attempts did you try on this boss? This is indeed impressive.
    Thanks :)
    I didn't do it flawless xD
    I was able to defeat the boss on the 7th attempt.
    I had to adapt to the mechanics and change the character's stats and abilities accordingly.
    Edited by Universe on September 28, 2018 6:27PM
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