PVP is dying, and will continue until we get campaign account locks.

Rittings

First time I've been into Vivec in a while, and now I understand why. The campaign was pretty empty all day... and even now it's not full and it's peak time to be getting on.

Every mini zerg has two opposite colors running with them. This is to stop nightblades or anyone in sneak approaching. The color swapping has gotten to the point that game mechanics are now nullified by players multiboxing, or just having their group rotate who jumps on the opposing colors.

Can I suggest, and it's been suggested many times - that once you commit to a faction in a particular campaign, you are LOCKED to that faction for at least 7 days?? Or until campaign ends.

Rittings

This would be account faction locking.

VaranisArano

PVP is going to continue losing players until ZOS fixes the lag and persistent performance issues.

Mazbt

This is a red herring. PVP's dying because of performance issues. Let's fix that first and then get into the account lock related stuff.

Dojohoda

VaranisArano wrote: »

PVP is going to continue losing players until ZOS fixes the lag and persistent performance issues.

This is the real problem.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF POP

Enkil

Mazbt wrote: »

This is a red herring.

It’s not a red herring to new and returning players. Play on Kyne and you will witness the astonishment first-hand when one realizes some enemy they just killed is now on a cross-faction alt less than 15 mins later asking for a group because their regular faction lost X keep/emp/___...

I recently returned to game in April after 3 year hiatus and had my own “WTF... I just can’t even” moment with this not long after.

Same goes for when some lametard logs his or her cross faction alt, picks up a scroll and delivers it to an enemy player on their “regular” faction.

If you think people don’t say “f*ck this sh*t” and go play either PvE or some other game you are sorely mistaken and/or incredibly naïve.

Faction lock for campaign duration is the reasonable common-sense expectation ALL players have until disabused of it. This free-for-all (FFA) loosey-goosey no-rules crap is a pathetic joke in an mmo of this size, scope and name.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler should know better, and do better.

Anrose

To be honest, being able to play any faction at will might be what’s helping this game keep any semblance of PvP population, for better or for worse.

Campaign locks won’t fix the PvP population. Hell, even fixing performance is probably a lost cause at this point.

Xsorus

Said it before, will say it again

remove factions in PvP similar to one tamriel; when you start a Campaign for a month you pick which campaign to play for.

Sarousse

We've been asking for campaign locking since day one, but ZoS hasn't this in their scope. They want you to be able to switch
if you wanna meet up with friends on another campaign.

Beardimus

They already said they looking at a solution for it, @ZOS_BrianWheeler in a thread earlier in the year.

Cheating ruins PvP. For new players and experienced alike. Alliance switching, AP boosting/feeding, scroll meddling. And just no one having an alliance identity for that campaign.

Lock it for the campaign duration. Simple. Play with mates? Just arrange to hit Shor with them on that alliance and commit your other to Vivec simple. Be healthy too to spread pop out.

But the cheaters love to defend how it is now as they control things.

Drdeath20

Pvp is just terrible anyways with or without an alliance lock. Lag, crashes, freezes, imbalances, OP sets/builds and just the overall cyrodil theme.

Would it help boost population at this point? Im not soo sure.

MipMip

Agree with those who say that performance is the problem.

If that can be fixed / improved perhaps population will increase to the point where a separate faction locked campaign can be introduced for those who absolutely want this (you won't find me there but I understand that there are different ways of enjoying the game)

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Performance is a problem for sure but it's not the only issue the game has the following changes would improve the pvp experience in ESO.

1) Seperate imperial city, have it with its own queue and a group size cap. Consolidate to one 'instance' with pop counter and expand only if required.

2) implement dynamic faction scoring to rebalanced population deficiency (weighted ratio system)

3) incentivize both campaign end result and daily results.

4) make rewards account wide along with faction 'pledge' system. (Not locks)

5) either increase population cap or reduce group sizes and return group queues.

6) re-incentivise keep capture based on amount of "fighting" and defense based on "duration of defense + fighting"

For more info on these suggestions you can see the below video:
https://youtu.be/Y8Vd5mNL8EI

Reverb

I don't really believe that people are multi boxing to get an advantage in cyrodiil. And while faction swapping within a campaign is a problem, it's maybe the 5th biggest issue driving people away.

Eirella

Yeah it's definitely because of no faction locks that is causing pvp to die. It's definitely not the horrible lag and performance problems, the bugs that go unfixed for months, the terrible balances changes, and lack of decent rewards and incentives to pvp.

Yep.

Beardimus

The point is guys above, its something they can do easily. Fixing code or servers is larger scale and costly.

Stopping folks cheat (or hindering them) with a low cost solution isn't a bad step even if its a small m quick win.

And as i said above. If pop was spread out it might help zergs / lag etc. You never know.

Defilted

Would like to see Alliance lock. This is a good idea IMO. Only the emp and AP farmers(and lets not forget the scroll spy's) do not like this idea.

Alliance lock would make it harder for them to collaborate with each other but not impossible.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Performance is a problem for sure but it's not the only issue the game has the following changes would improve the pvp experience in ESO.

1) Seperate imperial city, have it with its own queue and a group size cap. Consolidate to one 'instance' with pop counter and expand only if required.

2) implement dynamic faction scoring to rebalanced population deficiency (weighted ratio system)

3) incentivize both campaign end result and daily results.

4) make rewards account wide along with faction 'pledge' system. (Not locks)

5) either increase population cap or reduce group sizes and return group queues.

6) re-incentivise keep capture based on amount of "fighting" and defense based on "duration of defense + fighting"

For more info on these suggestions you can see the below video:
https://youtu.be/Y8Vd5mNL8EI

This is fantastic and I wish that someone from ZOS watched this and had a buget to make these changes.

jaws343

Enkil wrote: »

Mazbt wrote: »

This is a red herring.

It’s not a red herring to new and returning players. Play on Kyne and you will witness the astonishment first-hand when one realizes some enemy they just killed is now on a cross-faction alt less than 15 mins later asking for a group because their regular faction lost X keep/emp/___...

I recently returned to game in April after 3 year hiatus and had my own “WTF... I just can’t even” moment with this not long after.

Same goes for when some lametard logs his or her cross faction alt, picks up a scroll and delivers it to an enemy player on their “regular” faction.

If you think people don’t say “f*ck this sh*t” and go play either PvE or some other game you are sorely mistaken and/or incredibly naïve.

Faction lock for campaign duration is the reasonable common-sense expectation ALL players have until disabused of it. This free-for-all (FFA) loosey-goosey no-rules crap is a pathetic joke in an mmo of this size, scope and name.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler should know better, and do better.

90% of the players can barely keep track of the names of players they are fighting against. The only time I remember GTs is if I have been killed or killed a player repeatedly. Or if they are a keyboard warrior spouting off in chat instead of actually playing the game.

DeadlyRecluse

The idea that faction locking would revitalize PvP is pure speculation. I know more people who would leave or be upset by faction locks than I know people who would come back.

Wizunas

Agreed! Cannot lock people out of PvP. Can't block people from playing where they want. Can't block people from leveling skills on their different toons. Can't force people to join other campaigns when they are members of 5 guilds with members from all alliances. People bought and pay for the game so they can play whatever character they want, otherwise they would leave the game. We can see how people quit guilds that are exclusive to 1 alliance. For example Swtor has 2 alliances and nobody is locked from joining either, whenever.

Make 2 similar Vivec independent from each other! 1 locked and 1 unlocked, maybe that would solve the problem. After all this is a game to be played and Not a political institution

NyassaV

VaranisArano wrote: »

PVP is going to continue losing players until ZOS fixes the lag and persistent performance issues.

^ This

Faction locking is a very small issue when you consider all the other factors. Yeah it would help but I feel like there are more pressing matters to attend to

PemPem

There are many things that will fix PvP but this isn't it. How about fixing lag?

olsborg

VaranisArano wrote: »

PVP is going to continue losing players until ZOS fixes the lag and persistent performance issues.

This is the main and possibly the only reason why Im thinking hard about just shelfing the game. Emtpy servers except in prime time, but by then its laggy af so youre up shiits creek either way.

caeliusstarbreaker

You nailed it, it’s definitely not that skills don’t work anytime after 6pm EST. It’s that people aren’t faction locked.

Solariken

Yes, at least provide one campaign that is locked and disallows cross-faction chat.

greenmachine

Just eliminate Cyrodiil. BGs are better.

Mintaka5

Lock it down, please. There is no reason to faction swap. The only reason that people do it is to exploit AP gains (looking at you @Elong )

Syhae

Faction locks are the last thing this game needs.
The population is already small, locking campaigns will not solve any "imbalance" issues that exist. Factions win campaigns by organization via guilds and coverage. Having 1 or 2 different guilds running covering NA prime time, Oceanic prime time, etc.
The other thing is, generally the people swapping factions are the people that are going to the underpopulated faction in search of good fights. They tend to be good players that a faction would want on their faction when times are tough.
Faction locks would not solve any of these issues. It would potentially worsen any imbalance that may exist right now.

Enkil

They can offer at least one locked campaign and people can play where they like. Going from one extreme where everything is FFA to the other and locking them all wouldn’t be sensible.

Y’all can keep the FFA campaign for your zergin’ scroll trollin’ & AP farmin’ habits.

VaranisArano

Solariken wrote: »

Yes, at least provide one campaign that is locked and disallows cross-faction chat.

There isnt a cross faction chat, just whispers or guild chat, and you can't really disallow whispers between accounts. Though Cyrodiil would be a lot nicer if they did.