Nightblade nerfs when?

MaxJrFTW

In PvE they parse 15-20% higher than everybody else. In PvP they hit consistently for 6k+ even if you're wearing impreg or brass they hit you for 10k+ at times. Cloak costs only like 3.5k so even stam NBs can use it 3-4 times in a fight taking regen into account. Needless to mention they always reach 1m dmg done bgs while next higher is usually around 600k.

There is a massive gap between nightblades and the rest of the classes. How can you possibly keep ignoring it? Any other team of devs would have addressed this a long time ago. This is not acceptable.

Gilvoth

they speak about nightblade nerfs here ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436712/now-maybe-you-guys-will-stop-trying-to-destroy-cloak/p1

Koronach

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE perspective.

Ozazz

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

In PvE they parse 15-20% higher than everybody else. In PvP they hit consistently for 6k+ even if you're wearing impreg or brass they hit you for 10k+ at times. Cloak costs only like 3.5k so even stam NBs can use it 3-4 times in a fight taking regen into account. Needless to mention they always reach 1m dmg done bgs while next higher is usually around 600k.

There is a massive gap between nightblades and the rest of the classes. How can you possibly keep ignoring it? Any other team of devs would have addressed this a long time ago. This is not acceptable.

omfg look they're already on to the next class.
you give a inch they take a mile.


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MaxJrFTW

Koronach wrote: »

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE prespective.

Pretty sad about people preferring a broken game, rather than a balanced one. Nightblades pull significantly more than the other classes. They are broken.

VaranisArano

MagSorc: "Quick! Maybe if we sacrifice nightblade class skills to the ZOS gods we can get these nerfs to our class skills reverted!"

Templars & DKs: "It doesn't work like that."

Koronach

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Koronach wrote: »

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE prespective.

Pretty sad about people preferring a broken game, rather than a balanced one. Nightblades pull significantly more than the other classes. They are broken.

You just want to be great at everything, tanking, dps, and healing. If someone does better than you, quck to the forums to qq. The way I see it, I'm setup to kill stuff, I can't tank and I can't heal, I kill stuff so I should do a lot of dmg. That's pretty much how it works on every other MMO I've played. Other classes are better tanks than NB, Other classes are better healers. All we are left with is damage, oh and we have to stand in melee range with a rotation that actually requires attention.

Ozazz

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Koronach wrote: »

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE prespective.

Pretty sad about people preferring a broken game, rather than a balanced one. Nightblades pull significantly more than the other classes. They are broken.

once again that is a subjective opinion. you say broken i say great.
i'm not trying to ruin classes in the name of social justice
further more i'm tired of seeing pve changes effect my pvp play so get out of here with that

Xajic

Ozazz wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Koronach wrote: »

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE prespective.

Pretty sad about people preferring a broken game, rather than a balanced one. Nightblades pull significantly more than the other classes. They are broken.

once again that is a subjective opinion. you say broken i say great.
i'm not trying to ruin classes in the name of social justice
further more i'm tired of seeing pve changes effect my pvp play so get out of here with that

but if it’s PvP changes affecting PvE play, that’s okay right?

VaranisArano

Fakyy wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Koronach wrote: »

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE prespective.

Pretty sad about people preferring a broken game, rather than a balanced one. Nightblades pull significantly more than the other classes. They are broken.

once again that is a subjective opinion. you say broken i say great.
i'm not trying to ruin classes in the name of social justice
further more i'm tired of seeing pve changes effect my pvp play so get out of here with that

but if it’s PvP changes affecting PvE play, that’s okay right?

ZOS generally does a pretty good job of balancing both PVE and PVP together.

The problem is that while PVP changes are often obvious, I find that PVE players often struggle to identify when a nerf is motivated by PVE as well. That's understandable - most PVE nerfs happe when DPS becomes too high, which isn't something players see as a problem but the devs do.

Add to that the devs' obsession with making us all chase the carrot of the meta, and you've got a recipe for constant PVP and PVE changes.

Maryal

Title of a fairly new Youtube vid:
"ESO - Who needs Stamblade? - Stamina Warden Rotation (57k+ on 6mil) - See Description - PTS 4.2.0"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dKsfSM1H4x0
Looks like stamblades have some serious competition in the dps department ... LOL!

DanteYoda

I own all classes and i can see a massive bias leaning towards Nighblades.. Honestly i'm all for sacrificing my two magblades to see the other classes get a leg up to NB levels..

Honestly the sorc nerfs will wipe sorc from the game, wardens will be even worse off and still be non existent bar a few diehard sadists..

Templars are in a slightly better spot now, DK just got shafted nastily for no reason at all..

The nerfs to NB are nothing compared to the wardens and sorc nerfs, why destroy two classes and make customers time and effort they've spent months and years on pointless?

Get gud? L2P no people will just leave when you invalidate everything they've been doing for years, and i'm not even a sorc main, i just know when you ruin something people leave.

Facefister

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Koronach wrote: »

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE prespective.

Pretty sad about people preferring a broken game, rather than a balanced one. Nightblades pull significantly more than the other classes. They are broken.

Then also nerf DK tanks and Templar healers since they perform their respective roles way better than other classes.

Heimpai

Tank/healer nerfs when? DK‘s need a nerf so do templars..also taking dmg should remove all shields

DanteYoda

Heimpai wrote: »

Tank/healer nerfs when? DK‘s need a nerf so do templars..also taking dmg should remove all shields

DKs just got a nasty nerf as well lost stun on their whips.. That hurts their class a heap.

WreckfulAbandon

I already am seeing more heavy stamblades running around Cyrodiil getting ready to be indisputable #1 meta class come Murkmire. They're basically already there too, which is why ZOS's recent decisions are so baffling.

max_only

1 hour cast times on threads when?

Sanctum74

At least in pvp you are no longer going to see dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, but I guess that's a nerf that's going to affect all stam classes.

Should be interesting to see how op some of these nb's still are when they can no longer dodge 5 attacks in a row with the press of a button.

Savos_Saren

While I do not believe that Cloak necessarily needs the Streak treatment- I do think there's a small fix that will align with ZOS's current mindset. This is my solution from a different post:

"So, I have three nightblades: A bosmer stamblade A dunmer magblade and an argonian saptank (doesn't use stealth)

I can honestly say that it wouldn't surprise me if ZOS came after our cloaking next. I can see a nerf to cloak where we'd take damage from previously applied DOTs (without pulling us from stealth, of course).

ZOS's direction is to make a player choose between constant engagement in combat vs having to turtle/shield up (or in our case cloak away) to regen/heal before reengaging quickly.

Currently- yeah, our cloak is either OP (because we can pop a heal before cloaking, ignore previously applied DOTs, and then reengage at full health quickly) or our cloak is useless (if DOTs pull us out of stealth).

ZOS's best bet is to allow only previously applied DOTs to tick (without pulling us from stealth) while we stealth away to heal. It gives a little longer reengagement time between combatants. Our NBs will have to choose between quickly reengaging at partial health or reengaging at full health... but at a delayed time."

max_only

Nightblades are getting a nerf, no more passive dodge. Evasion is RIP.

MaxJrFTW

max_only wrote: »

Nightblades are getting a nerf, no more passive dodge. Evasion is RIP.

Not sure how exactly losing 15% dodge chance brings their dps to balance with the other classes.

Tommy_The_Gun

Koronach wrote: »

Pretty sad when people cry about a dps doing it's job. This is purely a PVE perspective.

Yeah, exactly. DPS this, DPS that... omg some one did 2 - 3 % more DPS ! ! NEERRRFFF ! !

This is how It feels to me: dmg, dmg, dmg... as if was the ONLY thing that matters. I have yet seen no one complaining about some one being too good at Tanking or too good at healing... DPS, only DPS, DPS, DPS... Seriously, is it just peoples mentality or what ? ? ?

Imperial_Voice

You know, Ive been more or less in favor if our shields being nerfed since the beginning but now seeing Nightblades become aggressively confrontational at the mere implication that their FotM class be brought into balance when just yesterday they were trolling salty sorcerors? Holy crap you guys. Come on. We all take our turn with the nerf bat. Sorceror shields were due but Nightblades are way overdue for their turn at home plate here.

Strider__Roshin

Their sustain and off-healing was nerfed, and other classes got their sustain and/or DPS buffed. So this thread is pointless for the time being. Once this update goes live it'll be time to reevaluate the overall class balance in PvE.

Apherius

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they speak about nightblade nerfs here ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436712/now-maybe-you-guys-will-stop-trying-to-destroy-cloak/p1

Finnaly, NBs see how annoying it is when people create bunch of nerf thread about the same issue.

usmguy1234

Apherius wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they speak about nightblade nerfs here ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436712/now-maybe-you-guys-will-stop-trying-to-destroy-cloak/p1

Finnaly, NBs see how annoying it is when people create bunch of nerf thread about the same issue.

Exactly. That's why I warned them to help push back against shield nerfs because if those go live nightblade will ultimately be next in line.

rfennell_ESO

Pvp Nightblades got a bigger nerf than the proposed shield nerf last time around.

The change to make shadowy disguise no longer be able to make heals crit was totally crippling to nightblades ability to heal.

If you don't believe me, make a nightblade and see how terribad your healing is, particularly self healing.

VaranisArano

Apherius wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they speak about nightblade nerfs here ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436712/now-maybe-you-guys-will-stop-trying-to-destroy-cloak/p1

Finnaly, NBs see how annoying it is when people create bunch of nerf thread about the same issue.

Finally? Nightblades have been dealing with "nerf cloak" threads since the first PVPer got killed from stealth.

Splattercat_83

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

In PvE they parse 15-20% higher than everybody else. In PvP they hit consistently for 6k+ even if you're wearing impreg or brass they hit you for 10k+ at times. Cloak costs only like 3.5k so even stam NBs can use it 3-4 times in a fight taking regen into account. Needless to mention they always reach 1m dmg done bgs while next higher is usually around 600k.

There is a massive gap between nightblades and the rest of the classes. How can you possibly keep ignoring it? Any other team of devs would have addressed this a long time ago. This is not acceptable.

"Mooooom, little Jimmy has a shiney toy that is better than mine, please take it from himmmmmm, whaaaaaa"

That's what you sound like. Here, let me hand you some tissues.

Juju_beans

DanteYoda wrote: »

I own all classes and i can see a massive bias leaning towards Nighblades.. Honestly i'm all for sacrificing my two magblades to see the other classes get a leg up to NB levels..

Honestly the sorc nerfs will wipe sorc from the game, wardens will be even worse off and still be non existent bar a few diehard sadists..

Templars are in a slightly better spot now, DK just got shafted nastily for no reason at all..

The nerfs to NB are nothing compared to the wardens and sorc nerfs, why destroy two classes and make customers time and effort they've spent months and years on pointless?

Get gud? L2P no people will just leave when you invalidate everything they've been doing for years, and i'm not even a sorc main, i just know when you ruin something people leave.

Nah..there will still be one sorc and one warden playing the game...ME !

TheRealSniker

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

In PvE they parse 15-20% higher than everybody else. In PvP they hit consistently for 6k+ even if you're wearing impreg or brass they hit you for 10k+ at times. Cloak costs only like 3.5k so even stam NBs can use it 3-4 times in a fight taking regen into account. Needless to mention they always reach 1m dmg done bgs while next higher is usually around 600k.

There is a massive gap between nightblades and the rest of the classes. How can you possibly keep ignoring it? Any other team of devs would have addressed this a long time ago. This is not acceptable.

In PvE they only Parse 8% higher on Dummies because they have access to Minor Berserk, anywhere else (Dungeons, Trials, Groupplay) that difference becomes minimal
The DPS difference between a Top Tier Stamplar and Stamblade on a static bossfight is about 2-3k
Trial Parses you see on Youtube are groups who build specially just to buff that one Stamblade in their group, throwing him all the Attros etc... Thats the only reason you would see a big DPS difference between classes in High End groups

In PvP we dont consantly hit 6k, good players with good and reliable 1vX builds usually see 5k Incaps and 3k Surprise Attacks on their Death Recaps if they ever die to one, Impreg basically makes you immune to a high critting Stamblade

Obviously there are 2 sides of the Story with Impreg, ive seen people who wear Impreg and are still squishy af and Ive seen people who wear Impreg and their HP bars never drop against a Nightblade
I guess thats just your L2P issue then

Cloak is one of the Blessings ZoS introduced into the game that makes the game just a little bit more diverse when it comes to PvP Builds, with Cloak being too weak you would only see Heavy Armor berserker Stamblades running around... And when it comes to Magblades they dont even get a huge advantage over anyone just by having Cloak on their bar
Actually Magblades are pretty bad when it comes to open world, even by having access Cloak
And in duels, Magblades dont even use Cloak....


Your BG damage number argument is plain stupid cause nobody even tries to get the highest damage number in a match lmao
And if a nightblade has a high damage number in a BG that could only mean that they threw their spells recklessly and basically everything that ever moved