Solo Clear of nBRP [Pet Sorc Scrub]

codestripper

Not sure if I'm the first one to do it but, I'm pretty happy that normal is soloable. Loving the pet sorc changes btw.

RouDeR

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

ATomiX96

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

codestripper

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

Too many 1 shots on vet. Not possible to solo. I just wanted to see how soloing this compared to soloing nDSA. Like for instance if it was even possible lol.

Bevik

So the shield nerf is not enough to stop Pet Sorcs! Good, my Pet Sorc is ready then.

Chilly-McFreeze

ATomiX96 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

By your usual player of ordinary skills or By someone who can be counted as one of the best Players?

No offenes, I really dont know it. Just read that alcast was that guy and he isnt rally where I would set the balance bar at.

Turelus

ATomiX96 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

It was cleared by arguably top level players though. For most normal players it's probably the right challenge level.

OolongSnakeTea

Kick butt Code!

haelene

Turelus wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

It was cleared by arguably top level players though. For most normal players it's probably the right challenge level.

This. I wish this community would stop equating top performance as the norm. It's not. We shouldn't balance around it or expect content to be created around it.

That said, awesome job to the people who already cleared it!

Mystrius_Archaion

Oh hell! He did it with one of the nerfed shields!
This must be too easy. It can't be that he was actually skilled enough to use things available to him....
/sarcasm

Seriously, this seems like it is decently well balanced and the cast time on the shields isn't going to stop people who are good at playing the game.

codestripper

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Oh hell! He did it with one of the nerfed shields!
This must be too easy. It can't be that he was actually skilled enough to use things available to him....
/sarcasm

Seriously, this seems like it is decently well balanced and the cast time on the shields isn't going to stop people who are good at playing the game.

While I appreciate the compliment, I do not support the damage shield casting change. I never said the dungeon was not frustrating. Not only did the casting put me almost always on the defensive, it felt extremely inconsistent. I can recall several times I died due to the shield simply not going off after the cast. Also, in no way is the cast time only 1 second, and if it is, it's the longest second of my life.

Let me use this as an example. My build has 1 heal. A twilight matriarch. I have to actively use this skill to heal myself. Yes, I could use power surge, but my build is not very high crit, and therefore I don't like how inconsistent the healing feels. So in order to stay alive I have to cast a shield that takes, in my experience, about 2 seconds to come up (if it decides it wants to). In that time, I still take damage. A lot of damage if you're not experienced enough to time it correctly. So as soon as you get your shield up you also have to pop your matriarch (just in case mechanics instantly break your shield and you have to spend another 2 seconds recasting). Now just imagine trying to do damage while also micro-managing your survivability and paying attention to mechanics...

Now, picture a magblade....all you do is heal and do damage literally at the same time...enough said.

Edit: I also want to add that adds can interrupt your shield cast as well. This too happened on multiple occasions inside the arena causing me to die. Not by bashing you obviously but certain stuns from the adds and bosses can really mess up the general flow of your defense. Since you don't have hardly any stamina, if you get stuck in a curse with no shield up. you're dead.

TL;DR - The sorcerer skill cap has been raised massively, so you might as well just roll up a magblade if you want to solo content easily.

code65536

Normal is a *** joke. I'm not surprised at all that it's soloable. Vet, OTOH, is a cesspool of bad mechanics.

codestripper

code65536 wrote: »

Normal is a *** joke. I'm not surprised at all that it's soloable. Vet, OTOH, is a cesspool of bad mechanics.

Yeah I agree, most of the arena really isn't that bad. The stuns and 1 shots from most bosses and some adds make it a bit of a challenge without a tank though. You ought to give it a shot, it's pretty fun.

Merlin13KAGL

Another testament to the pathetic "difficulty level" that is "norm."

Also, I'm really starting to question whether or not a two pet build gets to qualify as "soloing." (And yes, this is coming from a Sorc).

codestripper

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Another testament to the pathetic "difficulty level" that is "norm."

Also, I'm really starting to question whether or not a two pet build gets to qualify as "soloing." (And yes, this is coming from a Sorc).

Well I mean....have you tried to solo it?

Edit: I can do it without the pets, or with my magblade if that would align more to your definition of solo?

Chilly-McFreeze

codestripper wrote: »

TL;DR - The sorcerer skill cap has been raised massively, so you might as well just roll up a magblade if you want to solo content easily.

Are we bound for "magblade is easymode" comments in the future? I mean, after all it's what we always heared to justify the power gap between these two + nerf requests.

codestripper

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

TL;DR - The sorcerer skill cap has been raised massively, so you might as well just roll up a magblade if you want to solo content easily.

Are we bound for "magblade is easymode" comments in the future? I mean, after all it's what we always heared to justify the power gap between these two + nerf requests.

Pretty much, I've been a hardcore pet sorc main since launch, and my fourth time through vMA with my magblade in un-optomized gear I was able to get flawless. No shield, no sigils, it's just a lot easier than most other classes. I'm not going to deny in any way that pet sorc is also very easy at the moment, but with this new patch I'm just pointing out that it will be a lot easier to survive going forward as a class who's main damage ability is also a very powerful self heal.

To put it in easier terms, as a pet sorc in order to get over 40k dps you can't waste time weaving in a shield anymore, whereas with a magblade you literally do not need to weave in a shield to survive. Therefore you can achieve much greater damage output.

Granted, with all of this talk on the forums I highly doubt that the damage shield change will go live, so I think the whole argument is pretty irrelevant. That TL;DR was a joking way to say "if this shield change goes live, it will become much harder to survive and do damage at the same time as a sorc, so you might as well just switch to a magblade, which can do both with rather ease."

ATomiX96

Turelus wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

It was cleared by arguably top level players though. For most normal players it's probably the right challenge level.

still pathetic it got cleared by whoever, for example mythic uldir in WOW is out for 2 weeks and hasnt been cleared by the top guilds yet, thats how endgame should be ... world first races and such and not just clearing it within few hours of release...
you are getting more and more cp for content that is scaled around 300 cp ... its just sad and nothing else.

profundidob16_ESO

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Oh hell! He did it with one of the nerfed shields!
This must be too easy. It can't be that he was actually skilled enough to use things available to him....
/sarcasm

Seriously, this seems like it is decently well balanced and the cast time on the shields isn't going to stop people who are good at playing the game.

nerfed shields ? OMG you mean completely gone....gone as if playing a stamina char ??

nerfed shields ? OMG you mean healing become part of this game again ?

jaws343

Do the non perfected weapons drop on Normal? Because if so, knowing that it can be soloed means the weapons are going to be easy to farm.

codestripper

jaws343 wrote: »

Do the non perfected weapons drop on Normal? Because if so, knowing that it can be soloed means the weapons are going to be easy to farm.

Yes indeed they do. If you look in the bottom right of screenshot #2 I got the bow in this run. Sorry if it's a little hard to see, the image compression is real.

jaws343

codestripper wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Do the non perfected weapons drop on Normal? Because if so, knowing that it can be soloed means the weapons are going to be easy to farm.

Yes indeed they do. If you look in the bottom right of screenshot #2 I got the bow in this run. Sorry if it's a little hard to see, the image compression is real.

Missed it. Good to know.

ruikkarikun

So? Someone did Maelstorm Arena naked run etc.

codestripper

ruikkarikun wrote: »

So? Someone did Maelstorm Arena naked run etc.

That's awesome for them. I've also seen vMA runs done with no CP and another with no skills. Actually i've done a vMA run with no CP. myself

The thing is though, vMA is a solo arena, also completely unrelated to this arena. This is simply a post to show other people that it is possible, and to encourage them to give it a shot themselves. I love solo content and I love to see others challenge themselves to do it. I'm sure you could also do a naked vMA run if you put your mind to it.

Chilly-McFreeze

ATomiX96 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

It was cleared by arguably top level players though. For most normal players it's probably the right challenge level.

still pathetic it got cleared by whoever, for example mythic uldir in WOW is out for 2 weeks and hasnt been cleared by the top guilds yet, thats how endgame should be ... world first races and such and not just clearing it within few hours of release...
you are getting more and more cp for content that is scaled around 300 cp ... its just sad and nothing else.

Finest example of elitism.

Ydrisselle

ATomiX96 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

It was cleared by arguably top level players though. For most normal players it's probably the right challenge level.

still pathetic it got cleared by whoever, for example mythic uldir in WOW is out for 2 weeks and hasnt been cleared by the top guilds yet, thats how endgame should be ... world first races and such and not just clearing it within few hours of release...
you are getting more and more cp for content that is scaled around 300 cp ... its just sad and nothing else.

Go and try to do it yourself. If you can do it easily, okay. I'm sure there will be many players who won't be able to do it.

idk

code65536 wrote: »

Normal is a *** joke. I'm not surprised at all that it's soloable. Vet, OTOH, is a cesspool of bad mechanics.

Sounds like Zos has continued the downhill spiral of raid content since MoL was added to the game. Now I just fondly recall how much better that trial was designed compared to everything since it.

codestripper

Just curious of anyone else has tried this yet? It's pretty fun!

Mystrius_Archaion

ATomiX96 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Now try it on vet, you will be tearing your Hear off on the second arena )))

vet has already been cleared within 3 hours of first PTS, seems very challenging doesnt it?

It was cleared by arguably top level players though. For most normal players it's probably the right challenge level.

still pathetic it got cleared by whoever, for example mythic uldir in WOW is out for 2 weeks and hasnt been cleared by the top guilds yet, thats how endgame should be ... world first races and such and not just clearing it within few hours of release...
you are getting more and more cp for content that is scaled around 300 cp ... its just sad and nothing else.

That's stupid endgame. That's how you get players to give up on endgame and give up on new DLC and just kill the game and why WoW has lost subscribers down from 11 million to 7 million last figure I heard over 2 years ago.
It's why ESO has higher, allegedly, customer numbers.

If a piece of content has a reset timer on rewards then it needs to be able to be completed within that reset timer, like the WoW raids having a 1 week reset so 2 weeks and no completion would be stupidly too difficult especially for a tank-n-spank game like WoW.


The best players should be clearing the content on test server within a week.
1) They're the best players. If they don't beat it then nobody will and what's the point of the content?
2) In order to test every mechanic, they need to experience every mechanic, including winning and reward mechanics. That means it needs to be completed before launch to live servers. Somebody needs to complete it for proper testing.

Seriously, common sense says this is to be expected and a very good thing when the best players can complete the content, and solo on normal difficulty by the best players out there is just "par for the course". To continue the golf analogy, it would have been bad if they were "20 under par" but they were really just "at par or above" and managed to complete.
This is not "everybody can solo it now" and more of a "you can die a lot and sweat a lot and solo it taking hours and hours if you're really good" but most people will not have a chance of soloing it but should be able to complete it in a group.

SirDopey

but I thought Sorc's were unplayable on the PTS?

Mystrius_Archaion

codestripper wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

So? Someone did Maelstorm Arena naked run etc.

That's awesome for them. I've also seen vMA runs done with no CP and another with no skills. Actually i've done a vMA run with no CP. myself

The thing is though, vMA is a solo arena, also completely unrelated to this arena. This is simply a post to show other people that it is possible, and to encourage them to give it a shot themselves. I love solo content and I love to see others challenge themselves to do it. I'm sure you could also do a naked vMA run if you put your mind to it.

Honestly, when I want to challenge myself, I prefer to solo content even if it is meant for a group.
It actually "puts me out" when group content forces groups with gimmicky "simultaneously activate things" or other forced additional body mechanics or just "numbers are too high to ever possibly solo" things like "enrage timers". That just doesn't make it possible to solo if you are good.

I really enjoy when I go to something in a game that says "for 4 players" and I know "I'm probably going to fail but...YOLO!" and try it anyway and fight tooth and nail and actually succeed because I learned the mechanics and prioritized the right targets.
That's how I soloed Shada's Tear on my crap-geared templar with 5k-dps(on target dummy) over a year plus ago despite one-shot mechanics in there and the completely unique to craglorn group content enemies that shout "TAKING AIM!" and the skeleton versions that sneakily do it without the yell. I'm still proud of that accomplishment even if I don't do it solo anymore because I don't like to sweat that much that often.

Also, I don't feel that group content should be more difficult than solo.
1) Group content actually is easier anyway because there are other players to pick up the slack for others, especially if somebody dies and is forced to sit out the fight watching because mechanics don't let a res happen. That just proves that player was unnecessary to win.
2) The true difficulty of group content is just getting competent players, which really just puts people off grouping anyway because nobody wants to "carry" another person.

City of Heroes is the only MMO I ever played that designed correctly. Solo was the challenge and group was "for fun" because group buffs made it easier to do group content and group content was forgiving without being too easy to be fun.
I would quit this game and go back to City of Heroes in a heartbeat if they brought it back to life in all its exactly the same glory even with 10+ year old graphics.

ESO developers, please learn from our collective video gaming past and change your design goals to brings us better than we have seen and bring back the fun we have lost. Learn from the mistakes of the past and the successes. Design group content to be easy to group up with anybody in the group, no "CP 700+ or kick", so we can just group up and make friends with anybody and have a blast fighting "big ass monsters" and "one vs an army" just because that is fun.