PSA: Don't bother using Tamriel Trade Centre (TTC) addon or app.

Linaleah

BigM wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

A lot of people aren't playing that much or have left the game for a break or quit.

The only way this type of Auction House would run reliably is if Zenimax would run it. That way they can update the AH more often. It wouldn't be the players doing the updating.

But the main problem I see is a lot of players just aren't logging in. My Guild stores just aren't selling anything, when a lot of players are in game playing you see items moving fast, right now there just isn't people playing. At least on PC NA is how I see it. Heck, my Guilds are pleading with players to buy tickets to raffles just to get money into the guild, so they can buy a Guild trader.

Maybe it's because school started up again.

you know... I have to wonder about this. becasue I'm selling like hotcakes on PC NA (mats sell in minutes, random furnishing blueprints and motifs can take a few hours to a day or two, which is expected. I still have to replenish listings daily). yes, the guild I'm in is also asking for raffle participation, but that's becasue competition for our trader location is very VERY fierce and trader fees are THAT expensive.

but the interesting thing is.. I'm also selling fairly well in my non trading guild that just happens to keep one of those middle of nowhere traders most of the weeks.

so my theory is... assuming that your guild is in a high traffic location - your trading guild guildies are habitually overpricing things compared to normal market values, so people who shop often, remember that and stop checking your guilds trader, becasue its a waste of time. or even if they ARE still checking the trader, they are not buying, cause prices are too high compared to other traders.

I guess I could agree with you, BUT. Bet you knew a BUT was coming. Other than my main Guild (Grievance) I have replaced the other 4 (more than once, but a few times) and get same results. Yet, all 5 Guilds act like no one is playing, other than a few people. Which is why the revolving Guilds are doing the same, asking for raffle gold to attempt to keep Guild Traders alive.

So maybe you could let us players on PC NA the names of Guilds you are in that have major positive selling so the rest of us can too.

I still believe to get a fair AH, Zenimax needs to be running the AH. Not only so updating is more reliable but also concerning security or cheating issues.

consider for a moment that your prices are too high. also a possibility - your sales expectations are much higher then mine? my typical sales numbers are between half a mil and 800k which for me is as much as I can handle. I'm not a super high volume trader, i just sell of excess of stuff I got from my regular play. there are many a week where i do not make it into top 25 traders list, and some weeks where I do. I tend to price competitively - either at most current MM price (a margin of a week or less for most recent sale) or something in between recent MM price and looking at TTC averages and eyeballing from there.

there was a point where my sales were slow, but that point has passed and they are back up again.

that said. TTC just collects data. if ZoS were running something similar? guess what - the only thing that would change is the speed of listing updates. there would STILL be people trying to manipulate listing averages. how do I know? becasue they do that in every single MMO with AH that I have personaly ever played.

Osteos

In my experience it's very hit or miss with a stronger emphasis on miss. I'm not in any trading guilds and I don't shop very often. More often than not the item is no longer there at multiple locations. It can be useful sure but overall it's best to just check traders you're nearby before porting all over Tamriel.

Merlin13KAGL

Sange13 wrote: »

(Looking for target dummy recipe)

I was simply not using TTC because it was unreliable and didn't update in real time, but now I have to actively discourage people from using it since there are so many false listings intended only to get them on the web site, then price hike (bait & switch, basically).

Over 5 pages listed for 50-60k, but I've been to all the traders in all the cities listed on those pages and most don't have the item at all; the ones that do are 100-150k each.

Save yourselves the headache and disappointment, skip TTC.

Uh, cause somebody probably showed up and purchased the item, beating you to the punch?

Some of those were likely duplicate posts, too, which is going to happen in things like this.

If you don't use it, you're gimping yourself. Actively discouraging other people to gimp themselves isn't likely to meet with much success.

You can't expect something like this to update in real time, from the client side, nor from the server side. While the owner might make some income from ad revenue, I sincerely doubt it's enough to pay for the server lease, let alone the bandwidth it would require to realtime update.

TTC works like a champ for almost everything. You must be doing it wrong.

MLGProPlayer

This thread is fake news. Don't listen to OP.

TTC is an incredible time saver and arguably the best community tool in this game. OP is just salty that someone else bought the good deal first.

Whenever you search on TTC, make sure to filter by "last seen". It greatly increases the likelihood of you finding the item when you get to the trader.

You can go ahead and spend 2 hours searching for an item manually across Tamriel or you can find it in 5 minutes with TTC. The choice is yours.

zaria

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This thread is fake news. Don't listen to OP.

TTC is an incredible time saver and arguably the best community tool in this game. OP is just salty that someone else bought the good deal first.

Whenever you search on TTC, make sure to filter by "last seen". It greatly increases the likelihood of you finding the item when you get to the trader.

You can go ahead and spend 2 hours searching for an item manually across Tamriel or you can find it in 5 minutes with TTC. The choice is yours.

This, TTC has two uses one is to get an price estimate on rarer stuff with few or none items in guild stores or even master merchant making it easy to get an price estimate.
The other is finding rare items, anything from overland sets to blueprints and furniture.

Another obvious use it to play the marked but has not done that myself, only buying some stuff who are very under-priced.

mojomood

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Sange13

Numerikuu wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

And at that moment, he realised he was searching the EU server and not the NA server... DOH!

No, even better. He realised that he was searcing for the dummy itself and not the recipe. Dummies do go for 50-60k on both servers. You will not find a recipe under 90k.

You're both wrong.

Care to show me a target dummy praxis listing for 50-60k?

I double-checked it, and it turns out you were right. My apologies and thanks.

Please consider changing the opening post then, to indicate that your entire rant was based on a misunderstanding and user error, and not any failure of TTC.

It still has yet to help me find something I was looking for, at the listed price, when I looked for it. I still won't endorse it.

Yikes... doubling down despite you being the one at fault in the end... You could at least add in that you screwed up with the original search, you know. Nothing to be ashamed about. We've all done that at first, or at some point in time.

Regardless, TTC has been a massive time saver for me once I learned how to properly utilize it. Couldn't recommend it enough

There's nothing "doubling down" about saying that it has never saved me any hassle that simply going to those traders in the first place wouldn't have. The addon and app carry deficiencies that keep it from being useful to me. People want the placebo, they can have it. I simply don't.

NupidStoob

Learn to use it then. If you run for the cheapest item like everybody else you obviously won't get it unless it's something undesired.

Simply add a max price you are willing to pay and search by highest price. You won't pay more than you want to even if you probably won't get the cheapest, but you save yourself a whole bunch of headache and running around.

coop500

TTC has saved me SO MUCH TIME searching for stuff so....

BigM

coop500 wrote: »

TTC has saved me SO MUCH TIME searching for stuff so....

See where I think it is costing me and a lot of others gold. It is getting to where the 5 Guild option in the game really isn't very important right now. I can't keep changing Guilds just to try and find the right ones that could start making me gold again.

Maybe if we could get the addon author to let us know the five Guilds he uses. This shouldn't be all about finding what we need to buy, but the selling is the big issue going on here.

For me, there is just no reason for me to play the game anymore if I can't make Gold like I would before this addon was allowed.

I love the game and for the first time playing, I can honestly say there is just no reason for me to keep supporting and playing it any longer. 😢

BigM

I also would like to say I have and could deal with the bots running wild in the game. Also the other little bugs we have had to live through from beta on. I could always calm down and keep supporting the game. In the long run, I had to admit I started to see the direction the developers were going to fix the game. I also admit it isn't easy once a game of this type was created. It just isn't your run of the mill MMO. But if I can't make my Gold through the Guild Stores any longer that creates the biggest hole we have seen in the game.

So I really wish Zenimax would open up and have a dialogue with us about this addon and issues it is causing in the game.

So I'm reaching out to,

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_MattFiror

To allow us to open this discussion.

Thank you.

Danikat

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

The main problem with TTC is that it's based off listing prices, not actual sales - meaning that someone can list for way over or under the market price, and TTC's data will be skewed because of it even if the items don't actually sell; people have used this to bring prices lower or higher as they see fit.

MM shows actual sales data, but it's only based off of sales from guilds you're in, so depending on which guilds people are a part of, MM data/prices can be and usually are wildly different.

Both of these hiccups contribute to the price warriors in zone chat saying "WELL ACKSHYUALLY, the price for x item is THIS" even though you may be doing a WTS in zone chat that lines up just fine with the MM/TTC data you have.

I agree that it's a bad way to get a price check on an item you're selling, but that's a separate issue to the one most people in this topic have been discussing. Because TTC goes off current listings (which will inevitably include some absurdly over-priced ones which are never going to sell, and probably has fewer lower end prices because those will sell quicker) it's never going to have accurate prices. For price data I still use Master Merchant.

But as far as I'm aware there is no other addon, or in fact any other way at all, to find out where an item is being sold.

Until I found out about TTC I pretty much just avoided trying to buy from other players because it simply isn't worth the hassle. Occasionally I'd go looking for an item in whatever town I happened to be in, get reminded that most of what I (a low level, casual player) want to buy isn't what makes a lot of gold so hardcore trading guilds who can hold those spots don't stock much. I'd think about trawling the wilderness for random traders hoping to stumble across a useful item and just give up.

Now I can go to a trader and at least know they had the item recently, and how much it's going to cost, and if it's not there I have a list of other options.

Sange13

@Danikat
Honestly, it would have to be a pretty rare item for me to think about using TTC at this point. I find everything just fine in the major cities (faction capitols, Vivec, Alinor, etc) and what I consider "secondary" cities, like those of Marbruk, Daggerfall, Skywatch, etc. Most the items I've ever searched for had multiple false listings (not present at trader), and the update deficiencies are still enough to see TTC as a waste of time for most things since I have more success just going to common traders.

Hal_Moore

I read this as "TTC is not an easy button"

It works great just have to be aware of the time of listing...after all you aren't the only one looking to buy an item geez.

Also most people don't scan the traders so the info isn't always up to date.

coop500

BigM wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

TTC has saved me SO MUCH TIME searching for stuff so....

See where I think it is costing me and a lot of others gold. It is getting to where the 5 Guild option in the game really isn't very important right now. I can't keep changing Guilds just to try and find the right ones that could start making me gold again.

Maybe if we could get the addon author to let us know the five Guilds he uses. This shouldn't be all about finding what we need to buy, but the selling is the big issue going on here.

For me, there is just no reason for me to play the game anymore if I can't make Gold like I would before this addon was allowed.

I love the game and for the first time playing, I can honestly say there is just no reason for me to keep supporting and playing it any longer. 😢

I'll be honest and say I have zero idea what you're talking about

BigM

coop500 wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

TTC has saved me SO MUCH TIME searching for stuff so....

See where I think it is costing me and a lot of others gold. It is getting to where the 5 Guild option in the game really isn't very important right now. I can't keep changing Guilds just to try and find the right ones that could start making me gold again.

Maybe if we could get the addon author to let us know the five Guilds he uses. This shouldn't be all about finding what we need to buy, but the selling is the big issue going on here.

For me, there is just no reason for me to play the game anymore if I can't make Gold like I would before this addon was allowed.

I love the game and for the first time playing, I can honestly say there is just no reason for me to keep supporting and playing it any longer. 😢

I'll be honest and say I have zero idea what you're talking about

Okay, the simple answer is, we don't need the 5 Guild setup anymore. Just use TTC to only find what you need to buy at the cheapest price. Right now it's impossible to scan all Guilds to see what you should be pricing items for. Which if you don't do a complete scan of ALL Guilds you will never be able to post items to sell at a faster pace. Because the majority of players just use TTC to buy the cheapest price they can get. So it affects how you can make GOLD from the items you put up for sale.

We need to be able to scan the whole market if TTC is allowed to stay in the game. If they take TTC out then most players will stick more with their 5 Guild setup.

Get it now???

starkerealm

Osteos wrote: »

In my experience it's very hit or miss with a stronger emphasis on miss. I'm not in any trading guilds and I don't shop very often. More often than not the item is no longer there at multiple locations. It can be useful sure but overall it's best to just check traders you're nearby before porting all over Tamriel.

It's a quirk of how the system works. There's no direct API access to every publicly listed trader. So the Addon compiles data from searches while you're running around. Except, there's no API access to allow an addon to connect to a remote server. (A pretty obvious security feature; keeps people from pushing malware addons to harvest data from your system.)

TTC gets around this by harvesting the data from an external .exe, and that uploads data out to the TTC server. Now... if someone buys something, they need to have the .exe running to update the server. If they're not using TTC at all, or simply not running the client, the server never gets updated until someone who IS running the client searched for that item in that store.

There's some other quirks, because of how it works, which can result in multiple clients reporting the same item as present multiple times. And, stuff can stick around after it's sold.

On the whole? It's useful as a quick guide. But, it's not a panacea or simple fix.

Sange13

BigM wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

TTC has saved me SO MUCH TIME searching for stuff so....

See where I think it is costing me and a lot of others gold. It is getting to where the 5 Guild option in the game really isn't very important right now. I can't keep changing Guilds just to try and find the right ones that could start making me gold again.

Maybe if we could get the addon author to let us know the five Guilds he uses. This shouldn't be all about finding what we need to buy, but the selling is the big issue going on here.

For me, there is just no reason for me to play the game anymore if I can't make Gold like I would before this addon was allowed.

I love the game and for the first time playing, I can honestly say there is just no reason for me to keep supporting and playing it any longer. 😢

I'll be honest and say I have zero idea what you're talking about

Okay, the simple answer is, we don't need the 5 Guild setup anymore. Just use TTC to only find what you need to buy at the cheapest price. Right now it's impossible to scan all Guilds to see what you should be pricing items for. Which if you don't do a complete scan of ALL Guilds you will never be able to post items to sell at a faster pace. Because the majority of players just use TTC to buy the cheapest price they can get. So it affects how you can make GOLD from the items you put up for sale.

We need to be able to scan the whole market if TTC is allowed to stay in the game. If they take TTC out then most players will stick more with their 5 Guild setup.

Get it now???

The relies on TTC being dependable and up to date in real time. It isn't. However, trade guilds aren't the only reason to have more than one guild, so even if I agreed with your premise, I disagree with your conclusion.

BigM

Sange13 wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

TTC has saved me SO MUCH TIME searching for stuff so....

See where I think it is costing me and a lot of others gold. It is getting to where the 5 Guild option in the game really isn't very important right now. I can't keep changing Guilds just to try and find the right ones that could start making me gold again.

Maybe if we could get the addon author to let us know the five Guilds he uses. This shouldn't be all about finding what we need to buy, but the selling is the big issue going on here.

For me, there is just no reason for me to play the game anymore if I can't make Gold like I would before this addon was allowed.

I love the game and for the first time playing, I can honestly say there is just no reason for me to keep supporting and playing it any longer. 😢

I'll be honest and say I have zero idea what you're talking about

Okay, the simple answer is, we don't need the 5 Guild setup anymore. Just use TTC to only find what you need to buy at the cheapest price. Right now it's impossible to scan all Guilds to see what you should be pricing items for. Which if you don't do a complete scan of ALL Guilds you will never be able to post items to sell at a faster pace. Because the majority of players just use TTC to buy the cheapest price they can get. So it affects how you can make GOLD from the items you put up for sale.

We need to be able to scan the whole market if TTC is allowed to stay in the game. If they take TTC out then most players will stick more with their 5 Guild setup.

Get it now???

The relies on TTC being dependable and up to date in real time. It isn't. However, trade guilds aren't the only reason to have more than one guild, so even if I agreed with your premise, I disagree with your conclusion.

Which is why I love debates. 😃

weg0

Sange13 wrote: »

Over 5 pages listed for 50-60k, but I've been to all the traders in all the cities listed on those pages and most don't have the item at all; the ones that do are 100-150k each.

You're doing it wrong. Don't filter by price...filter by time and find the lowest in the last 30 minutes. If it looks like a steal then likely someone else felt the same way...

Edit: Maybe I'm doing it wrong. How did I necro this thread when i found it in recent discussions?

Vapirko

I find master merchant to be very accurate if you have at least two good sized trade guilds to go off of. Never liked TTC.

HaruKamui

weg0 wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Over 5 pages listed for 50-60k, but I've been to all the traders in all the cities listed on those pages and most don't have the item at all; the ones that do are 100-150k each.

You're doing it wrong. Don't filter by price...filter by time and find the lowest in the last 30 minutes. If it looks like a steal then likely someone else felt the same way...

Edit: Maybe I'm doing it wrong. How did I necro this thread when i found it in recent discussions?

I thought we weren't getting Necromancers until the next chapter???

ZOS_AntonioP

Hello everyone,

This post is to let you know that we've felt it necessary to put this thread down, as it seemed to have died some time ago. At this time we'd like to try and keep Draugr threads from roaming around front page, pushing down newer and more lively threads. Please feel free to continue this discussion on a recent thread under the same subject, or create one if a recent one is not available.

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