PSA: Don't bother using Tamriel Trade Centre (TTC) addon or app.

zaria

nryerson1025 wrote: »

A bit harsh for a rather useful addon considering the alternatives

This, you will not find the 1K biz weapon but its easy to find something 10% above marked price.
Its also nice to show prices of rarer stuff.

Recremen

I've found the TTC website very useful for finding stuff I need, just not for getting an exact price. I know how much I'm willing to pay for something and when it shows up in a search for that price I grab it.

Sange13

Indeed. Thanks again.

ChunkyCat

People actually rely on TTC for prices? Seriously?

Jameliel

Simple solution for the OP. Stop using it since you don't like it. Has worked well for me. Often items are sniped quickly so won't be there when you arrive. Still way better than the garbage system of randomly travelling to traders and blindly searching.

BigM

A lot of people aren't playing that much or have left the game for a break or quit.

The only way this type of Auction House would run reliably is if Zenimax would run it. That way they can update the AH more often. It wouldn't be the players doing the updating.

But the main problem I see is a lot of players just aren't logging in. My Guild stores just aren't selling anything, when a lot of players are in game playing you see items moving fast, right now there just isn't people playing. At least on PC NA is how I see it. Heck, my Guilds are pleading with players to buy tickets to raffles just to get money into the guild, so they can buy a Guild trader.

Maybe it's because school started up again.

f047ys3v3n

Sange13 wrote: »

(Looking for target dummy recipe)

I was simply not using TTC because it was unreliable and didn't update in real time, but now I have to actively discourage people from using it since there are so many false listings intended only to get them on the web site, then price hike (bait & switch, basically).

Over 5 pages listed for 50-60k, but I've been to all the traders in all the cities listed on those pages and most don't have the item at all; the ones that do are 100-150k each.

Save yourselves the headache and disappointment, skip TTC.

You are right about the bait and switching. TTC is clearly used as a tool by wall street types to manipulate prices. That is unfortunate but it is part an parcel of the no auction house, dispersed location, information inequality, economic system that ZOS has created. TTC is better than nothing and really the only good tool for determining value not to mention for finding unusual items without spending 3 hours visiting all the guild traders.

It is a poor trade system that lacks basic UI functionality and empowers some pretty antisocial behavior on the part of traders that often goes way beyond price manipulation and involves getting other guilds accounts banned for spurious reasons to prevent competitive bids from coming in. This is basically ZOS fault though. Don't blame TTC, it is the best tool we have and I sure appreciate having it.

Also, If I remember correctly, that recipe is around 125 vouchers so you really should know better than to think that your going to get it for 50k gold. If it seems too good to be true you can safely bet it is.

Reverb

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

And at that moment, he realised he was searching the EU server and not the NA server... DOH!

No, even better. He realised that he was searcing for the dummy itself and not the recipe. Dummies do go for 50-60k on both servers. You will not find a recipe under 90k.

You're both wrong.

Care to show me a target dummy praxis listing for 50-60k?

I double-checked it, and it turns out you were right. My apologies and thanks.

Please consider changing the opening post then, to indicate that your entire rant was based on a misunderstanding and user error, and not any failure of TTC.

Sange13

Reverb wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

And at that moment, he realised he was searching the EU server and not the NA server... DOH!

No, even better. He realised that he was searcing for the dummy itself and not the recipe. Dummies do go for 50-60k on both servers. You will not find a recipe under 90k.

You're both wrong.

Care to show me a target dummy praxis listing for 50-60k?

I double-checked it, and it turns out you were right. My apologies and thanks.

Please consider changing the opening post then, to indicate that your entire rant was based on a misunderstanding and user error, and not any failure of TTC.

It still has yet to help me find something I was looking for, at the listed price, when I looked for it. I still won't endorse it.

TheInfernalRage

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

TTC should be used in conjunction with MM or DD to advise your purchases and sales. Neither of them should be taken as word of god for the final sales price of any item in game, and anyone who expects them to is going to be wasting more time and gold with their failed listings than more savvy consumers and creators.

Use the tool, don't let it use you.

THIS IS HOW YOU USE TTC. You can Arkadius too with it.

Saucy_Jack

The main problem with TTC is that it's based off listing prices, not actual sales - meaning that someone can list for way over or under the market price, and TTC's data will be skewed because of it even if the items don't actually sell; people have used this to bring prices lower or higher as they see fit.

MM shows actual sales data, but it's only based off of sales from guilds you're in, so depending on which guilds people are a part of, MM data/prices can be and usually are wildly different.

Both of these hiccups contribute to the price warriors in zone chat saying "WELL ACKSHYUALLY, the price for x item is THIS" even though you may be doing a WTS in zone chat that lines up just fine with the MM/TTC data you have.

Daedric_NB_187

Be thankful you even get addons to help with the trader system. Us on console are stuck in the dark ages.

Kanar

TTC is great, I use the website all the time and don't even have the add on installed. Just know that if it's an in-demand item or a cheap price, only the first 3 or 4 items in the listing have a chance of being present. Going to page 2? Waste of time.

starkerealm

Sange13 wrote: »

(Looking for target dummy recipe)

I was simply not using TTC because it was unreliable and didn't update in real time, but now I have to actively discourage people from using it since there are so many false listings intended only to get them on the web site, then price hike (bait & switch, basically).

Over 5 pages listed for 50-60k, but I've been to all the traders in all the cities listed on those pages and most don't have the item at all; the ones that do are 100-150k each.

Save yourselves the headache and disappointment, skip TTC.

So, you couldn't find the items below median price, so, we should all abandon it?

Because, I've make a killing with it.

If it's a high demand item, search by most recent, if it's more than an hour old, and way below the median price, it's probably gone.

Have the cheapest listing for something on the server, and it will be gone in minutes. No joke. I did this today with Bloodforged Helmets. 50k, sold within 10 minutes of listing. Search it on TTC now, and you can see it's still showing up as present. Even though I pocketed the gold hours ago.

Linaleah

Sange13 wrote: »

@Linaleah
I did read it, and no it doesn't.

no you didn't. you saw a bunch of cheap listings. but none of them were on the traders. given that... listings get updated even if the person who updated them was the same person who BOUGHT them.. and that there are people who go around and check every trader for DEALS and buy them to resell (and no , they don't scan TTC first, they just go to traders directly and scan every single one) - why is it so difficult to accept that its possible that every single bargain you saw.. was already sold by the time you got to those traders?

that said.. edited to add after reading more of a thread - looks like you were looking for a wrong item all together, so.. while my explanation is STILL valid in general, it doesn't explain your issue specifically, so /shrug. still something to keep in mind when looking for bargains.

Linaleah

BigM wrote: »

A lot of people aren't playing that much or have left the game for a break or quit.

The only way this type of Auction House would run reliably is if Zenimax would run it. That way they can update the AH more often. It wouldn't be the players doing the updating.

But the main problem I see is a lot of players just aren't logging in. My Guild stores just aren't selling anything, when a lot of players are in game playing you see items moving fast, right now there just isn't people playing. At least on PC NA is how I see it. Heck, my Guilds are pleading with players to buy tickets to raffles just to get money into the guild, so they can buy a Guild trader.

Maybe it's because school started up again.

you know... I have to wonder about this. becasue I'm selling like hotcakes on PC NA (mats sell in minutes, random furnishing blueprints and motifs can take a few hours to a day or two, which is expected. I still have to replenish listings daily). yes, the guild I'm in is also asking for raffle participation, but that's becasue competition for our trader location is very VERY fierce and trader fees are THAT expensive.

but the interesting thing is.. I'm also selling fairly well in my non trading guild that just happens to keep one of those middle of nowhere traders most of the weeks.

so my theory is... assuming that your guild is in a high traffic location - your trading guild guildies are habitually overpricing things compared to normal market values, so people who shop often, remember that and stop checking your guilds trader, becasue its a waste of time. or even if they ARE still checking the trader, they are not buying, cause prices are too high compared to other traders.

D0PAMINE

Linaleah wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

A lot of people aren't playing that much or have left the game for a break or quit.

The only way this type of Auction House would run reliably is if Zenimax would run it. That way they can update the AH more often. It wouldn't be the players doing the updating.

But the main problem I see is a lot of players just aren't logging in. My Guild stores just aren't selling anything, when a lot of players are in game playing you see items moving fast, right now there just isn't people playing. At least on PC NA is how I see it. Heck, my Guilds are pleading with players to buy tickets to raffles just to get money into the guild, so they can buy a Guild trader.

Maybe it's because school started up again.

you know... I have to wonder about this. becasue I'm selling like hotcakes on PC NA (mats sell in minutes, random furnishing blueprints and motifs can take a few hours to a day or two, which is expected. I still have to replenish listings daily). yes, the guild I'm in is also asking for raffle participation, but that's becasue competition for our trader location is very VERY fierce and trader fees are THAT expensive.

but the interesting thing is.. I'm also selling fairly well in my non trading guild that just happens to keep one of those middle of nowhere traders most of the weeks.

so my theory is... assuming that your guild is in a high traffic location - your trading guild guildies are habitually overpricing things compared to normal market values, so people who shop often, remember that and stop checking your guilds trader, becasue its a waste of time. or even if they ARE still checking the trader, they are not buying, cause prices are too high compared to other traders.

Agreed. Thats one of the drawbacks of being in a well known trader. You make bank, but if you buy anything it's usually over priced.

Seri

Linaleah wrote: »

you know... I have to wonder about this. becasue I'm selling like hotcakes on PC NA (mats sell in minutes, random furnishing blueprints and motifs can take a few hours to a day or two, which is expected. I still have to replenish listings daily). yes, the guild I'm in is also asking for raffle participation, but that's becasue competition for our trader location is very VERY fierce and trader fees are THAT expensive.

but the interesting thing is.. I'm also selling fairly well in my non trading guild that just happens to keep one of those middle of nowhere traders most of the weeks.

so my theory is... assuming that your guild is in a high traffic location - your trading guild guildies are habitually overpricing things compared to normal market values, so people who shop often, remember that and stop checking your guilds trader, becasue its a waste of time. or even if they ARE still checking the trader, they are not buying, cause prices are too high compared to other traders.

I'm tempted to only partially agree with that theory. People shop from the high-traffic traders in cities when they're convenient (which is why the bids are so high). But it's TTC and it's advertising of 'hey, this out of the way trader in the middle of nowhere had that item you want an hour ago' (or the resellers if it's well priced) that means the low-traffic traders still make sales.

Datthaw

Sange13 wrote: »

(Looking for target dummy recipe)

I was simply not using TTC because it was unreliable and didn't update in real time, but now I have to actively discourage people from using it since there are so many false listings intended only to get them on the web site, then price hike (bait & switch, basically).

Over 5 pages listed for 50-60k, but I've been to all the traders in all the cities listed on those pages and most don't have the item at all; the ones that do are 100-150k each.

Save yourselves the headache and disappointment, skip TTC.

Ok so the problem your having.

TTC updates from info sent by the user, so chances are whoever was the one that searched for the item and saw it for that cheap price, probably bought it.

sevomd69

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

And at that moment, he realised he was searching the EU server and not the NA server... DOH!

No, even better. He realised that he was searcing for the dummy itself and not the recipe. Dummies do go for 50-60k on both servers. You will not find a recipe under 90k.

You're both wrong.

Care to show me a target dummy praxis listing for 50-60k?

I double-checked it, and it turns out you were right. My apologies and thanks.

LOL...what a fail...

BigM

Linaleah wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

A lot of people aren't playing that much or have left the game for a break or quit.

The only way this type of Auction House would run reliably is if Zenimax would run it. That way they can update the AH more often. It wouldn't be the players doing the updating.

But the main problem I see is a lot of players just aren't logging in. My Guild stores just aren't selling anything, when a lot of players are in game playing you see items moving fast, right now there just isn't people playing. At least on PC NA is how I see it. Heck, my Guilds are pleading with players to buy tickets to raffles just to get money into the guild, so they can buy a Guild trader.

Maybe it's because school started up again.

you know... I have to wonder about this. becasue I'm selling like hotcakes on PC NA (mats sell in minutes, random furnishing blueprints and motifs can take a few hours to a day or two, which is expected. I still have to replenish listings daily). yes, the guild I'm in is also asking for raffle participation, but that's becasue competition for our trader location is very VERY fierce and trader fees are THAT expensive.

but the interesting thing is.. I'm also selling fairly well in my non trading guild that just happens to keep one of those middle of nowhere traders most of the weeks.

so my theory is... assuming that your guild is in a high traffic location - your trading guild guildies are habitually overpricing things compared to normal market values, so people who shop often, remember that and stop checking your guilds trader, becasue its a waste of time. or even if they ARE still checking the trader, they are not buying, cause prices are too high compared to other traders.

I guess I could agree with you, BUT. Bet you knew a BUT was coming. Other than my main Guild (Grievance) I have replaced the other 4 (more than once, but a few times) and get same results. Yet, all 5 Guilds act like no one is playing, other than a few people. Which is why the revolving Guilds are doing the same, asking for raffle gold to attempt to keep Guild Traders alive.

So maybe you could let us players on PC NA the names of Guilds you are in that have major positive selling so the rest of us can too.

I still believe to get a fair AH, Zenimax needs to be running the AH. Not only so updating is more reliable but also concerning security or cheating issues.

AcadianPaladin

Decided to go shopping for divines Mother's Sorrow belt & shoes yesterday. Went to TTC website, found both items at good price. Went directly to the guild traders listed and bought both items. Worked wonderfully for me. My limited experiences with the site in the past have also been helpful.

BigM

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Decided to go shopping for divines Mother's Sorrow belt & shoes yesterday. Went to TTC website, found both items at good price. Went directly to the guild traders listed and bought both items. Worked wonderfully for me. My limited experiences with the site in the past have also been helpful.

Have to ask, are you in 5 Guilds or none and just use TTC as your only buying search engine? Buying and selling are two different issues in the game.

TheCyberDruid

TTC is horrible for anything price related. it is still useful (as in better than nothing) to find specific items at guild traders though.

nordmarian

i think TTC have a bug problem somewehere as some items on the site were listed as being listed to nearby trade guilds or totally another trading guilds.

AcadianPaladin

BigM wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Decided to go shopping for divines Mother's Sorrow belt & shoes yesterday. Went to TTC website, found both items at good price. Went directly to the guild traders listed and bought both items. Worked wonderfully for me. My limited experiences with the site in the past have also been helpful.

Have to ask, are you in 5 Guilds or none and just use TTC as your only buying search engine? Buying and selling are two different issues in the game.

I'm in no trading guilds and only use the site occasionally to help me buy something specific. I happily yield judgement on the site to those who use it extensively for setting prices and such. That's why I simply relayed my own limited happy experience with it.

Kolache

There have been plenty of times where I didn't find something on a trader that was showing on TTC very recently/now.

There have also been plenty of times where I've found exactly what I was looking for as listed on TTC.

TBH I'd take 2/3 false positives over simply searching every trader in the game.

BigM

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Decided to go shopping for divines Mother's Sorrow belt & shoes yesterday. Went to TTC website, found both items at good price. Went directly to the guild traders listed and bought both items. Worked wonderfully for me. My limited experiences with the site in the past have also been helpful.

Have to ask, are you in 5 Guilds or none and just use TTC as your only buying search engine? Buying and selling are two different issues in the game.

I'm in no trading guilds and only use the site occasionally to help me buy something specific. I happily yield judgement on the site to those who use it extensively for setting prices and such. That's why I simply relayed my own limited happy experience with it.

Which is exactly the problem with allowing this addon in game. It can only work fairly and not be used by people who will jack prices up for their own gain in the game. Which has been my concern from the start and the ones who created this addon?

@ZOS_GinaBruno I would hope one day we could have a discussion about making this addon put into the game and only controlled by Zenimax.

Numerikuu

Sange13 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sange13 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

And at that moment, he realised he was searching the EU server and not the NA server... DOH!

No, even better. He realised that he was searcing for the dummy itself and not the recipe. Dummies do go for 50-60k on both servers. You will not find a recipe under 90k.

You're both wrong.

Care to show me a target dummy praxis listing for 50-60k?

I double-checked it, and it turns out you were right. My apologies and thanks.

Please consider changing the opening post then, to indicate that your entire rant was based on a misunderstanding and user error, and not any failure of TTC.

It still has yet to help me find something I was looking for, at the listed price, when I looked for it. I still won't endorse it.

Yikes... doubling down despite you being the one at fault in the end... You could at least add in that you screwed up with the original search, you know. Nothing to be ashamed about. We've all done that at first, or at some point in time.

Regardless, TTC has been a massive time saver for me once I learned how to properly utilize it. Couldn't recommend it enough

Linaleah

Seri wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

you know... I have to wonder about this. becasue I'm selling like hotcakes on PC NA (mats sell in minutes, random furnishing blueprints and motifs can take a few hours to a day or two, which is expected. I still have to replenish listings daily). yes, the guild I'm in is also asking for raffle participation, but that's becasue competition for our trader location is very VERY fierce and trader fees are THAT expensive.

but the interesting thing is.. I'm also selling fairly well in my non trading guild that just happens to keep one of those middle of nowhere traders most of the weeks.

so my theory is... assuming that your guild is in a high traffic location - your trading guild guildies are habitually overpricing things compared to normal market values, so people who shop often, remember that and stop checking your guilds trader, becasue its a waste of time. or even if they ARE still checking the trader, they are not buying, cause prices are too high compared to other traders.

I'm tempted to only partially agree with that theory. People shop from the high-traffic traders in cities when they're convenient (which is why the bids are so high). But it's TTC and it's advertising of 'hey, this out of the way trader in the middle of nowhere had that item you want an hour ago' (or the resellers if it's well priced) that means the low-traffic traders still make sales.

even high traffic traders have variety of prices though, I'm in Mournhold guild and i usually just make the rounds through all the traders, not just ours and I've seen a VERY wide range of prices. even found deals on occasion that were JUST listed.

even if a lot of people won't bother with going to that out of the way trader, they might at least check every trader in the area they are already in.