#Weeknights (Grats AD VIVEC!!)

IZZEFlameLash

Ghostbane wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Next patch's map should be more balanced. As is, it is still a bit unfavorable due to easy back keep access. Whether you like it or not, it does happen. It is much easier to do an incursion into AD back keeps for EP than it is for AD to do the same to EP.

But there isn't just two factions on the map though.

EP can get to ADs easy.
AD can to DCs easy.
DC can get to EPs easy.

Which is why the following is common sight,

Kingscrest 17/20 DC siege
Bloodmayne 10/20 EP siege
Rayles 10/20 AD siege ( not so much these days )

Haven't seen Rayles siege that often. It's probably because AD is constantly stuck in back keeps. Now, if all 3 guilds of AD from post-NA prime time runs, it is a different story. But *** Rayles ride. Kinda glad that I don't have to haul my lazy arse too much to find fights as AD. Alessia or Roe FD is just fine.

jaime1982

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

Sacredx

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

Anrose

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Next patch's map should be more balanced. As is, it is still a bit unfavorable due to easy back keep access. Whether you like it or not, it does happen. It is much easier to do an incursion into AD back keeps for EP than it is for AD to do the same to EP.

But there isn't just two factions on the map though.

EP can get to ADs easy.
AD can to DCs easy.
DC can get to EPs easy.

Which is why the following is common sight,

Kingscrest 17/20 DC siege
Bloodmayne 10/20 EP siege
Rayles 10/20 AD siege ( not so much these days )

Haven't seen Rayles siege that often. It's probably because AD is constantly stuck in back keeps. Now, if all 3 guilds of AD from post-NA prime time runs, it is a different story. But *** Rayles ride. Kinda glad that I don't have to haul my lazy arse too much to find fights as AD. Alessia or Roe FD is just fine.

One of the reason AD gets stuck at back keeps is because they don’t pressure Rayles/Warden or Farragut/KC.

No one is taking the pressure off the front lines so they end up turtling with poor defenses in their own back keeps against most of an entire faction.

Soul_Demon

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

VV runs NA prime time- Not 4am-8am NA I am sure you could see a few here and there in off times- but not the guild running.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

VV runs NA prime time- Not 4am-8am NA I am sure you could see a few here and there in off times- but not the guild running.

No im sorry but you are wrong. EP guilds are like ninjas. They are all playing even if you don't see them there.

Sacredx

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

VV runs NA prime time- Not 4am-8am NA I am sure you could see a few here and there in off times- but not the guild running.

Not here to argue about details. The point was to show that we have oceanic presence to someone who asked.

Soul_Demon

Sacredx wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

VV runs NA prime time- Not 4am-8am NA I am sure you could see a few here and there in off times- but not the guild running.

Not here to argue about details. The point was to show that we have oceanic presence to someone who asked.

And I definitely wasn't starting one up- just clearing up something you mentioned that needed clarification. VV runs NA prime time and the 4 am to 8 am timeframe on NA we are not running as a guild. I do know many of our people play as much as possible- so surely you saw some, but not the guild.

Sacredx

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

VV runs NA prime time- Not 4am-8am NA I am sure you could see a few here and there in off times- but not the guild running.

Not here to argue about details. The point was to show that we have oceanic presence to someone who asked.

And I definitely wasn't starting one up- just clearing up something you mentioned that needed clarification. VV runs NA prime time and the 4 am to 8 am timeframe on NA we are not running as a guild. I do know many of our people play as much as possible- so surely you saw some, but not the guild.

ok cool. I have seen a group with VV tags running around on some nights, otherwise would not have included it. But sure, not official.

ellahellabella

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

Not so much quit as our faithful leader has been at sea and none of us cbf making a group so most of zdm is just playing other stuff. Should be doing more groups soon.
The only real oc guild for ep atm is The Dawning.

MaximillianDiE

ellahellabella wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

Not so much quit as our faithful leader has been at sea and none of us cbf making a group so most of zdm is just playing other stuff. Should be doing more groups soon.
The only real oc guild for ep atm is The Dawning.

Oceanic = Australia, NZ and the Pacific Islands NOT Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_Oceania ).

Don't mix SEA in there which Sacred always does as most of those DC guilds, and the Dawning for EP are Japanese and Asian and log on 4-6 hours after NZ and 2-4 hours after Australia. The answer if we are actually honest is that for at least the 4 hour Oceanic timezone there are literally no organised DC and without ZDM, no EP grps around. Even most of our small man grps have quit and its not uncommon for there to be one bar DC getting pushed back to our gates while AD sits in our keeps and sits on 3 bar population quickly rising to pop lock after this timeframe as the Japanese start logging on. There is a huge difference between Asian primetime and ANZ primetime. In Oceanic (i.e. ANZ) primetime Vivec is pretty much AD running rampant with no real opposition with TKG, Lolizerg/Venatus and RAM blobbing with a newly revitalised AD pug zerg including less organised guilds following them all the way to our rear keeps and scroll temples.

Oceanic is so lopsided and stuffed now it reminds me of Auriel's Bow... Personally, I'm not sure it there's any way to fix this now this late in the life cycle of a game which is clearly at its tail end for the Oceanic pvp population when the last remaining server with any population in our timezone starts to get as unbalanced as this is now. Hopefully the next decent pvp game isn't too far away now.

maxjapank

@MaximillianDiE You're right about Oceanic covering a big time zone, but when I think of Oceanic, I include Japan and SEA. Maybe it's not wikipedia correct, but I consider myself a part of Oceanic timezone and I live in Japan.

Vilestride

Prime time is not a subjective term. There is no my prime time or your prime time.

Prime time isnt defined as "the hours I like to play" its defined as the hours in which the server is busiest.

Let’s just make sure we're not confused about this one fellas.

Sacredx

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Oceanic = Australia, NZ and the Pacific Islands NOT Asia

When I said oceanic I meant time wise, not the actual region. It's the timezone that's important here, the location is irrelevant. These include all countries say between +8 and +11 UTC including Japan, Korea, most of Indonesia and a whole bunch of other ones, not just the ones you listed.

Correctness gone wrong. Nothing to see here people, back to the usual thread discussion.

frozywozy

The best point in all the threads regarding Oceanic presence on Vivec NA has been some AD guilds claiming that EP forces give them quite the challenge and that they proudly and strongly won the campaign.

Keep it coming guys! You make me smile every morning

Sacredx

Speaking of EP, how many times have they won in the last year??

ellahellabella

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Great job to all this campaign. EP was 2k in the lead when TKG decided to play the map. AD ended up winning by 1k, a 3k turnaround!

EP has been winning campaigns month after month so we decided to test the theory of what happens if we play for points instead of pvping guilds.

The result speaks for itself.

Lol which guilds do you pvp against at 6am US central time?

We have oceanic guilds.

On DC we have Vivace, Wormhole, Rats, Anpan's group.
On EP we have Vae Victus, Dawnings, ZDM (although they seems to have quit more recently).
On AD we have TKG, RAM.

Probably a few more in there that I missed.

Not so much quit as our faithful leader has been at sea and none of us cbf making a group so most of zdm is just playing other stuff. Should be doing more groups soon.
The only real oc guild for ep atm is The Dawning.

Oceanic = Australia, NZ and the Pacific Islands NOT Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_Oceania ).

Don't mix SEA in there which Sacred always does as most of those DC guilds, and the Dawning for EP are Japanese and Asian and log on 4-6 hours after NZ and 2-4 hours after Australia. The answer if we are actually honest is that for at least the 4 hour Oceanic timezone there are literally no organised DC and without ZDM, no EP grps around. Even most of our small man grps have quit and its not uncommon for there to be one bar DC getting pushed back to our gates while AD sits in our keeps and sits on 3 bar population quickly rising to pop lock after this timeframe as the Japanese start logging on. There is a huge difference between Asian primetime and ANZ primetime. In Oceanic (i.e. ANZ) primetime Vivec is pretty much AD running rampant with no real opposition with TKG, Lolizerg/Venatus and RAM blobbing with a newly revitalised AD pug zerg including less organised guilds following them all the way to our rear keeps and scroll temples.

Oceanic is so lopsided and stuffed now it reminds me of Auriel's Bow... Personally, I'm not sure it there's any way to fix this now this late in the life cycle of a game which is clearly at its tail end for the Oceanic pvp population when the last remaining server with any population in our timezone starts to get as unbalanced as this is now. Hopefully the next decent pvp game isn't too far away now.

The Dawning are sometimes on when tkg is (weekends mainly, and right before tkg log). That's why I included them as OC. I know my geography thank you very much.

Sarcasm aside yeah, rip AU/NZ guilds not AD. I'm not even playing at that hour anymore. It's not fun with all that yellow. You can't even take a resource without 20+ coming.

Minnesinger

Just a reminder AD won 30 days campaign so instead of this petty talk about guilds and zones, the cycle lasted full day. AD is often facing hard opposition from the enemy. This time Ad did well but I can say DC and EP tried their best. And they did well. Very good competition.

VaranisArano

Sacredx wrote: »

Speaking of EP, how many times have they won in the last year??

In 2018, minus January which I don't have the info for unfortunately:
EP: 5
AD: 2
DC:1

Out of the total campaigns in Vivec, minus Dec 2017 and Jan 2018 due to lack of info:
EP: 9
AD: 3
DC: 2

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/423940/a-year-of-pc-na-vivec-victories-need-help-filling-in-the-blanks

jaime1982

frozywozy wrote: »

The best point in all the threads regarding Oceanic presence on Vivec NA has been some AD guilds claiming that EP forces give them quite the challenge and that they proudly and strongly won the campaign.

Keep it coming guys! You make me smile every morning

Lol, dont forget. They stopped fighting against (guilds) and decided to play the map.

Mintaka5

EP here. Running solo, zerg surfing last campaign, there was one instance, a big battle outside Alessia, where EP went for the wall, and TKG pushed us hard, coming from all directions. That's when I noticed your blueberry friends hanging out with some other TKG guildies back behind EP lines. I don't think those hate tells your team received were unwarranted, but if you don't like the dirty talk, then TKG should clean up their dirty play. It's one thing to claim victory, it's another to claim victory without giving DC some credit for aiding you every step of the way. And btw, we wiped you guys at that Alessia battle, and took the keep even with DC at our backs. So slow clap for team green.

IxSTALKERxI

It's worth pointing out that the balance between the 3 factions is constantly changing. AD currently has a strong presence in the off-hours, and has done for the past 40ish days. Prior to that though, before double AP event, EP often had more back when orgalord and zerg surfers were playing regularly.

Back when TKG and Vehemence were playing on DC, and Panda Force didn't exist, and I wasn't actively playing, I made some 'RIP AD' comments, but those comments were no longer valid once we got those 3 guilds. (although some AD pugs still do my head in)

At the moment I actually think DC is the worst off faction, and i'm surprised they are doing so well in the campaigns. This will all probably change again though in a few months.

Elong

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

It's worth pointing out that the balance between the 3 factions is constantly changing. AD currently has a strong presence in the off-hours, and has done for the past 40ish days. Prior to that though, before double AP event, EP often had more back when orgalord and zerg surfers were playing regularly.

Back when TKG and Vehemence were playing on DC, and Panda Force didn't exist, and I wasn't actively playing, I made some 'RIP AD' comments, but those comments were no longer valid once we got those 3 guilds. (although some AD pugs still do my head in)

At the moment I actually think DC is the worst off faction, and i'm surprised they are doing so well in the campaigns. This will all probably change again though in a few months.

DC has some good people in the off hours who just needed some confidence and direction. We're getting there, but won't ever compete with AD when it moves in one direction. Been fun all the same!

maxjapank

Actually, DC Oceanic is not so bad off, Stalker. At 9pm Japan time, Vivace and crew log on. And they tend to have a pretty sizable force. And at 10pm Japan time, Wormhole will log on. I think Wormhole purposely went back to DC before last campaign because EP was fielding so many numbers when they logged on. You’d have to ask them, but I know during the brief time that tkg we’re giving Bless online a go, wormhole actually began to lvl AD toons.

I know from experience that Oceanic guilds, tkg, Ram, wormhole, have all changed factions to help balance the campaign in our time zone. I have much respect for all of the Japanese guilds and players, and not just because I live here. They never give up. No matter what, they keep fighting. And they are all getting much much better, too. Respect to them.

frozywozy

maxjapank wrote: »

Actually, DC Oceanic is not so bad off, Stalker. At 9pm Japan time, Vivace and crew log on. And they tend to have a pretty sizable force. And at 10pm Japan time, Wormhole will log on. I think Wormhole purposely went back to DC before last campaign because EP was fielding so many numbers when they logged on. You’d have to ask them, but I know during the brief time that tkg we’re giving Bless online a go, wormhole actually began to lvl AD toons.

I know from experience that Oceanic guilds, tkg, Ram, wormhole, have all changed factions to help balance the campaign in our time zone. I have much respect for all of the Japanese guilds and players, and not just because I live here. They never give up. No matter what, they keep fighting. And they are all getting much much better, too. Respect to them.

Yeah. I agree with what you said. Now I wish EP would get a japanese or australian guild to give you guys a proper fight. I believe that having Wormhole, TKG and RAM in different factions would be amazing!

Even if they don't specifically play at the same time, I believe that we could adjust and make this work for the best

IxSTALKERxI

Ah yeah, I was fighting wormhole the other night. Was fun.

And yeah, I also liked fighting TKG back when they were on DC because we were friends/allies on AD prior so it was really fun getting to fight someone who is usually on your side.

Sacredx

Good point Alchuri raised. There are guilds that change factions to even the odds. TKG have done this, we use to be DC. We spent considerable effort to move alliances. Make no mistake we play to pvp to push ourselves to face difficult opposition. I myself would choose the lowest side any day. More opponents = more challenge and less downtime spent looking for it.

Xsorus

Sacredx wrote: »

Good point Alchuri raised. There are guilds that change factions to even the odds. TKG have done this, we use to be DC. We spent considerable effort to move alliances. Make no mistake we play to pvp to push ourselves to face difficult opposition. I myself would choose the lowest side any day. More opponents = more challenge and less downtime spent looking for it.

Yea I hear doors on DC and EP are a lot stronger then doors on AD and EP; so it’s good you’re challenging yourself.

Sacredx

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Speaking of EP, how many times have they won in the last year??

In 2018, minus January which I don't have the info for unfortunately:
EP: 5
AD: 2
DC:1

Out of the total campaigns in Vivec, minus Dec 2017 and Jan 2018 due to lack of info:
EP: 9
AD: 3
DC: 2

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/423940/a-year-of-pc-na-vivec-victories-need-help-filling-in-the-blanks

Thanks for the stats. It would be good to keep track of which guilds are active for each faction as well.

A lot of people are oblivious to what happens outside NA which then creates confusion and false accusations. Would be great to set something up so that people can see the real story.

VaranisArano

Sacredx wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Speaking of EP, how many times have they won in the last year??

In 2018, minus January which I don't have the info for unfortunately:
EP: 5
AD: 2
DC:1

Out of the total campaigns in Vivec, minus Dec 2017 and Jan 2018 due to lack of info:
EP: 9
AD: 3
DC: 2

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/423940/a-year-of-pc-na-vivec-victories-need-help-filling-in-the-blanks

Thanks for the stats. It would be good to keep track of which guilds are active for each faction as well.

A lot of people are oblivious to what happens outside NA which then creates confusion and false accusations. Would be great to set something up so that people can see the real story.

In June, I went back to track wins because I was curious, and found out I'd actually misrembered the number of wins for different factions. I probably ought to ask the devs for the data on December 2017 and Jan 2018 or something, because I can't find that info on the forums. Anyways, it was a personal project I started when I realized I'd misrembered DC winning a bunch more campaigns at the start of Vivec. Probably because I spent a lot of time fighting VE that summer,

I suspect something similar happens with guilds. I can tell you the guild tabards I see during prime time, or the guild tabards I see in the early morning, but I can't speak for those guilds. What I see/perceive during my playtime isn't always accurate.

Even in this thread, it was pointed out that there's a difference between a small group of guildies running together and the guild's full organized raid. So I would very much hesitate to speak for any guild, even if I see their tabards.

If someone wanted to track guild participation across campaigns and time slots, I think they'd have to ask the guild leaders who can speak for their own guilds in order to get an accurate picture. Otherwise I'm afraid we'd end up with the same misremembering that happened to me trying to recall campaign wins from a year ago or the misunderstandings about guild raids/guildie groups that happened in this thread.