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Can we have a morph of Soul Assault that ignores damage shields?
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Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭1) I agree on your first point. I should have be more specific. But medium armor is build around evading damage rather than countering (heal), absorbing (shield), or diminishing (resis) it. So if you decide to play a medium armor build without evading damage then you have no right to come to the forums and call for nerfs to other classes. That's like light armor sorcs running around without shields or tanks refusing to slot taunt and then complaining how dungeon bosses need fixing. Nobody would have any sympathy for them either.
You may call for changes to your class to allow for more build variaty, but not for nerfs to other classes that are balanced around you playing your class the intended way.
And as stated before, Cloak is broken in many ways and should honestly be redesigned. Against many builds it's OP b/c they simply lack access to viable counterplay. Against other builds it is basically useless. But again, that's a different issue and does not warrant you calling for nerfs to other classes b/c you are not using a broken ability. The only way this was warranted is if you were to also demand the removal of the broken ability and thus creating a new balance in the game. But nerfing other classes and retaining the broken skill will only give your class an unfair advantage ... and there is a pattern when it comes to nerf threads started by stamBlades.
2) At the same time you (stamina players) expect magicka builds to have a large stamina pool and high regen in order to be able to afford to continuously break free, sprint, dodge, block. That's a double standard I have been critizing for a while now.
When I argued that sloads is still OP and dodge shouldn't be the counter since it basically makes uncounterable for magicka players the reply from stamina players was: just get more stamina and stam regen.
When I argued that it is imbalanced that stamina builds can build for high speeds and continuously sprint and dodge with objects such as the relics in BGs or the scroll in Cyro, I was told I simply should also sprint on my magicka build suggesting to add more stamina and stam regen.
When I argued that dodge is far superior to shields in both outnumbered scenarios and in laggy environments (b/c it ignores the lag) I was told to simply dodge more.
The list goes on.
And magicka builds would run out of stamina a lot faster than 3 Soul Assault cycles. And espcially NBs shouldn't have any issue with that. Cloak after 2 sec. Shade immediately. Shade + cloak. And yet it is (as always) primarily NBs complaining about it.2 -
Haquor✭✭✭✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.
The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.
Yeah cause it completely made sense you could spend a few k magicka or stamina to basically fire an ultimate back at someone. I enjoyed doing it...but still.0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.
The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.
Yeah cause it completely made sense you could spend a few k magicka or stamina to basically fire an ultimate back at someone. I enjoyed doing it...but still.
I didn't even use reflect, but watching a meteor return to its owner was not only awesome, but hilarious to watch.2 -
Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah cause it completely made sense you could spend a few k magicka or stamina to basically fire an ultimate back at someone. I enjoyed doing it...but still.
This! It was essentially OP, that's why it got removed.
You have an expensive ulti which effects cannot only be negated but inverted for something that only cost a bit of magicka. And the fact that pretty much only 1 class could do that made it so much more OP.
But I agree in general a lot of fun was taken out of the PvP as the classes (some more than others) get stripped of their identities.
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heavier✭✭✭KingExecration wrote: »Give us a magic dawny instead of soul assault. The ultimate is such a rock paper scissors skill, you'll either get a fat burst, get losed mid channel, or target someone's pokemon build clanfear or something ridiculous.KingExecration wrote: »or target someone's pokemon build clanfear
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Weisstag✭✭✭How is soul assault killing you on stamina ? its same as comet
in other words wasted ult, never died of soul assault or comet on any of my character Iam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How is soul assault killing you on stamina ? its same as comet in other words wasted ult, never died of soul assault or comet on any of my character
If you’re almost out of stam and can’t LOS (esp in a no-CP environment where you don’t have as much regen or block cost reduction) it’s quite possible to die to Soul Assault.
Anyway, I love it when people use Soul Assault on any char of mine that has Absorb Magic slotted.
Free heals! 1 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭55k tooltip
46,5k magicka 2400SD (unbuffed)
Where is 100k??
Its dodgeable,blockable and sometimes even cloak can interrupt it
It has more counters than 20k incap strike. Its mostly only skill that works against cloaking stamblades with strike-run build. Give us magicka dawnbreaker that boosts spell damage and then you can delete Soul AssaultEdited by Anyron on March 6, 2019 5:16PM1 -
Pdoherty4637_ESO✭✭✭First of all, I love killing stam bois in battlegrounds who think they "never die to soul assault'. Really though the ultimate itself isn't very effective and most of my kills with it would have been kills whether or not I cast it. I use shatter soul because its just so viscerally satisfying to see your target die in a huge explosion (which i'm fairly sure they reduced the animation size and screen shake, sadly) Properly set up with curse/endless fury the first two tics of a shatter soul is a decent burst tool but the only reason I use it is because it's fun. If the ultimate lasts more than 1.5 seconds and the target isn't dead, they usually aren't going to die. without the snare it's insanely easy to block and LoS and light attacks do so much damage now that stopping them for a 2.9 second channel is a net dps loss and is only good against targets who dodge frequently. Dawnbreaker is a much more effective ultimate and I use it frequently. In fact, it would be my primary/only ultimate if ZOS ever made ultimates scale off of the higher penetration value which seems like a no brainier to me.
TL:DR quote soul assault tooltips all you want but it really isn't an OP or even great ultimate choice after the snare removal/ light attack buffs, and doesn't really even do more damage than a normal non-ultimate combo.0 -
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✭If zos fixed the soul shatter morph of soul strike so that it actually did it’s aoe even when an ally or even one of your own dots lands the killing blow I have the feeling that far less people would run soul assault which would be a win for anyone not running shadowy disguise or not in a tightly packed group0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭But my current thoughts of this ult is that if you don't die to it you'll die shortly afterwards because you'll be out of Stam. It's a pretty unfair ult honestly since there isn't any real counterplay unless you're a Nightblade using Cloak.3 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
Hmm fear is balanced? Seems soul assault and immovable pot combo is a good counter to the utter horse manure that fear is.
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Because there is no snare I just use LoS to break it
Edit: wait, you have cloak, yet complain because you don't use the best counter provided to you? Smh
Sa negates cloak.
Good thread necro. I’ve been trying to cloak to break assault (which doesn’t work). Good to know harness magicka is the best counter.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Sy1ph5✭✭✭✭People still die to soul assault in 2019. Yikes. If soul assault kills you in the current state of the game you were gonna die anyway4
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PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why waste resources building up ultimate when you have shieldbreaker, knight slayer, and sloads which do exactly what you want just at the expense of a mouse click?0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wow, Daus is advocating more damage that bypasses some mitigation like Oblivion bypasses shields?
Block, LoS, all great means to mitigate the damage.1
