Can we have a morph of Soul Assault that ignores damage shields?

WuffyCerulei

Not sure if this is nerf sorc thread or not...

Chibs

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

Wow you stamNBs will never stop.

As someone who plays Stamplar (not StamNB), if you get soul assaulted and you have no way to los it, it’s a death sentence. I have to choose whether I wanna die now or block and die in a few seconds when I have no Stam for defense. I’m so glad I don’t encounter many people using it, but when I do it’s usually RIP for me

CyrusArya

Two things:

1.) The parallel to shields is healing, not dodge roll. If soul assault somehow negated and nullified healing ticks, this post might make sense.

2.) I don’t know any stam player worth their salt that is a “free kill” to soul assault alone in a vacuum. Especially not Nightblades of all classes, that can cloak the channel after 2 seconds lol. The skill is a nuisance when fired in an outnumbered context, in which case 3/4ths of the skills in the game are oppressive. Which even still, in an open world scenario, you can just run out of the skills range or line of sight.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate soul assault. But this post screams l2p. Then I remember you’re the dude that plays a cloakless medium armor stamblade and why most of your balance concerns can be dismissed.

Strider__Roshin

CyrusArya wrote: »

Two things:

1.) The parallel to shields is healing, not dodge roll. If soul assault somehow negated and nullified healing ticks, this post might make sense.

2.) I don’t know any stam player worth their salt that is a “free kill” to soul assault alone in a vacuum. Especially not Nightblades of all classes, that can cloak the channel after 2 seconds lol. The skill is a nuisance when fired in an outnumbered context, in which case 3/4ths of the skills in the game are oppressive. Which even still, in an open world scenario, you can just run out of the skills range or line of sight.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate soul assault. But this post screams l2p. Then I remember you’re the dude that plays a cloakless medium armor stamblade and why most of your balance concerns can be dismissed.

Yes I intentionally play without cloak because I don't want to hide 24/7. If only stamblades had SOMETHING for survivability outside of stealth, but no the new Cloak morph just gives magblades another heal. Which is good, because they needed better healing /s

Killset

usmguy1234 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

@Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

You have cleanse. And surviving something once is no argument against it over performing.

Skander

You can block it, you know

Strider__Roshin

Skander wrote: »

You can block it, you know

You should read some of the previous posts.

usmguy1234

Killset wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

@Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

You have cleanse. And surviving something once is no argument against it over performing.

It's not the first or the last. I say that specific example because a lot of people take stam healing for granted. It can be strong and survive almost anything if done right.

Kadoin

If you hate soul assault so much, there is always the option of running SnB and slotting absorb magic. When you see the light, just spam absorb magic and soul assault will be a joke. Even outside of that case, you might actually come to understand that any stam build not running SnB in PvP is actually making life harder for themselves because its definitely the best in PvP, but it will all come down to your skill after you make the change since you won't be able to either crutch on bleeds, spin, or lethal arrow. You going to sacrifice something to get that defensive power, but it is definitely worth it in the end, even shield ult alone is worth it (And yet another counter to soul assault provided by the skill line...).

Otherwise, you going to have to not hold block and only partially block it. Heal -> Block -> let go -> heal -> block -> heal -> block -> block. If you can't take one tick every other second, consider switching builds and cutting your damage because that glass cannon stuff means nothing when you are dead

Brutusmax1mus

Lol da

Kadoin wrote: »

If you hate soul assault so much, there is always the option of running SnB and slotting absorb magic. When you see the light, just spam absorb magic and soul assault will be a joke. Even outside of that case, you might actually come to understand that any stam build not running SnB in PvP is actually making life harder for themselves because its definitely the best in PvP, but it will all come down to your skill after you make the change since you won't be able to either crutch on bleeds, spin, or lethal arrow. You going to sacrifice something to get that defensive power, but it is definitely worth it in the end, even shield ult alone is worth it (And yet another counter to soul assault provided by the skill line...).

Otherwise, you going to have to not hold block and only partially block it. Heal -> Block -> let go -> heal -> block -> heal -> block -> block. If you can't take one tick every other second, consider switching builds and cutting your damage because that glass cannon stuff means nothing when you are dead

Absorb magic? It does nothing to SA bc SA is a channel,
Not a projectile. Not sure you skills be giving advice....

Killset

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

@Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

You have cleanse. And surviving something once is no argument against it over performing.

It's not the first or the last. I say that specific example because a lot of people take stam healing for granted. It can be strong and survive almost anything if done right.

Ummm... I know all about stam healing. I also know I can run SA on my MagPlar that tool tips for over 80k (which isn’t even a lot). I will be happy to duel you in medium and show you exactly how balanced SA is. You are on Xbox right?

Splattercat_83

leepalmer95 wrote: »

pteam wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

@Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k

50k?

It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.

Except that damage is cut in half in pvp

And?

so lets cut it in half. It's 35k pvp dmg then from 1 attack that always hits and doesn't cost resources.

Naw just costs ultimate.

SHADOW2KK

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Maybe zos should replace our weapons with sniper rifles and shotguns, so that we can actually one shot everything

With this lag? it is hardly gonna compete with Battlefield or CoD or PUBG or , well anything ever, considering the aimbot tab target and skill less heat seeking arrows/etc.

SHADOW2KK

Valera Progib wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

Cheese and Scotch.

So you're a fat angry drunk?

Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...

You kids wanna get a room?

Strider__Roshin

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

Cheese and Scotch.

So you're a fat angry drunk?

Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...

You kids wanna get a room?

I've got a few stalkers on these forums lol

Chibs

Daus wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

Cheese and Scotch.

So you're a fat angry drunk?

Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...

You kids wanna get a room?

I've got a few stalkers on these forums lol

I agree with you that soul assault is annoying but get over yourself nobody cares about you that much dude

Strider__Roshin

Chibs wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

Cheese and Scotch.

So you're a fat angry drunk?

Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...

You kids wanna get a room?

I've got a few stalkers on these forums lol

I agree with you that soul assault is annoying but get over yourself nobody cares about you that much dude

Not enough to follow my posts and take pictures of my comments and talk about me non-stop since June 12th? Yup must be a figment of my imagination lol

SHADOW2KK

Daus wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

Cheese and Scotch.

So you're a fat angry drunk?

Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...

You kids wanna get a room?

I've got a few stalkers on these forums lol

Hehe I see that, tell your stalker it is `faeces`, but he/she/it was probably sticking his tongue out while typing so fast like a try hard hater.

Kadoin

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lol da

Kadoin wrote: »

If you hate soul assault so much, there is always the option of running SnB and slotting absorb magic. When you see the light, just spam absorb magic and soul assault will be a joke. Even outside of that case, you might actually come to understand that any stam build not running SnB in PvP is actually making life harder for themselves because its definitely the best in PvP, but it will all come down to your skill after you make the change since you won't be able to either crutch on bleeds, spin, or lethal arrow. You going to sacrifice something to get that defensive power, but it is definitely worth it in the end, even shield ult alone is worth it (And yet another counter to soul assault provided by the skill line...).

Otherwise, you going to have to not hold block and only partially block it. Heal -> Block -> let go -> heal -> block -> heal -> block -> block. If you can't take one tick every other second, consider switching builds and cutting your damage because that glass cannon stuff means nothing when you are dead

Absorb magic? It does nothing to SA bc SA is a channel,
Not a projectile. Not sure you skills be giving advice....

Yeah it does, it does it tick by tick. You simply sit and use it, get healed use it again. You can try it yourself if you don't believe me. Absorb magic works on soul assault, templar ray, lightning channel, monster set DoT abilities, Bahranas Curse (yeah even though its ground-based, you know ZOS has no consistency), etc.

What it doesn't work on are ground DoTs, templar jabs (obvious reasons), AoE skills with ground effects like talons, AoE ults that have ground effects, etc. I also think DK whips don't proc it either.

KingJ

Kadoin wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lol da

Kadoin wrote: »

If you hate soul assault so much, there is always the option of running SnB and slotting absorb magic. When you see the light, just spam absorb magic and soul assault will be a joke. Even outside of that case, you might actually come to understand that any stam build not running SnB in PvP is actually making life harder for themselves because its definitely the best in PvP, but it will all come down to your skill after you make the change since you won't be able to either crutch on bleeds, spin, or lethal arrow. You going to sacrifice something to get that defensive power, but it is definitely worth it in the end, even shield ult alone is worth it (And yet another counter to soul assault provided by the skill line...).

Otherwise, you going to have to not hold block and only partially block it. Heal -> Block -> let go -> heal -> block -> heal -> block -> block. If you can't take one tick every other second, consider switching builds and cutting your damage because that glass cannon stuff means nothing when you are dead

Absorb magic? It does nothing to SA bc SA is a channel,
Not a projectile. Not sure you skills be giving advice....

Yeah it does, it does it tick by tick. You simply sit and use it, get healed use it again. You can try it yourself if you don't believe me. Absorb magic works on soul assault, templar ray, lightning channel, monster set DoT abilities, Bahranas Curse (yeah even though its ground-based, you know ZOS has no consistency), etc.

What it doesn't work on are ground DoTs, templar jabs (obvious reasons), AoE skills with ground effects like talons, AoE ults that have ground effects, etc. I also think DK whips don't proc it either.

Than the ability is broken and shouldn't work like that.

Kadoin

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lol da

Kadoin wrote: »

If you hate soul assault so much, there is always the option of running SnB and slotting absorb magic. When you see the light, just spam absorb magic and soul assault will be a joke. Even outside of that case, you might actually come to understand that any stam build not running SnB in PvP is actually making life harder for themselves because its definitely the best in PvP, but it will all come down to your skill after you make the change since you won't be able to either crutch on bleeds, spin, or lethal arrow. You going to sacrifice something to get that defensive power, but it is definitely worth it in the end, even shield ult alone is worth it (And yet another counter to soul assault provided by the skill line...).

Otherwise, you going to have to not hold block and only partially block it. Heal -> Block -> let go -> heal -> block -> heal -> block -> block. If you can't take one tick every other second, consider switching builds and cutting your damage because that glass cannon stuff means nothing when you are dead

Absorb magic? It does nothing to SA bc SA is a channel,
Not a projectile. Not sure you skills be giving advice....

Yeah it does, it does it tick by tick. You simply sit and use it, get healed use it again. You can try it yourself if you don't believe me. Absorb magic works on soul assault, templar ray, lightning channel, monster set DoT abilities, Bahranas Curse (yeah even though its ground-based, you know ZOS has no consistency), etc.

What it doesn't work on are ground DoTs, templar jabs (obvious reasons), AoE skills with ground effects like talons, AoE ults that have ground effects, etc. I also think DK whips don't proc it either.

Than the ability is broken and shouldn't work like that.

I don't know if its broken or not, but its been like that for over two years and I'm sure I'm not the only one that complained about it, yet it has never changed in any of the recent patches...So I would guess its intended? Who really knows since ZOS never comments about what's intended and what is not. But definitely its more "OP" than people think. Use it and you will see what I mean. If you have enough stam regen you can just spam that skill against most mag builds and they can't do anything if they know how it works, or if they don't they will keep healing you and you can kill them with a hand tied behind your back.

And no, I don't use that skill because I think its stupid and will get nerfed soon. I do the partial block + heal spam and prepare to kill the person when its over. I save a tripot when its over (dont use any pots usually in Cyrodil, so if I need it then its always available to be used). Most people take very predictable actions after soul assaulting and assume you won't go on the offense or be able to do anything. That's the best time to go on the offense, especially against magplars that follow it up with radiant.

idk

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

Cannot recall dying to it often on stam or mag. Mitigate the damage.

Ariades_swe

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Neoauspex

Nerf all the things. Especially if it killed anybody ever.

IZZEFlameLash

And so it begins...

Joy_Division

leepalmer95 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

@Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

You can literally purge the zaan.

But 16k is out of stam?

I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

Yeah it's very balanced.

And after all this, experienced and skilled players, on all specs, typically don't die to soul assault.

I main a templar, which means I've used this a lot because my ultimate options are terrible. I've soul assaulted many many people. If it was half as deadly and good as you and others say it was, I would not have spent the past 2 years badgering ZOS to give Templars a legit ultimate.

You can come onto these forums and list out 100 reasons why this ultimate is in your estimation OP and that's fine. But being the user and the target of this ultimate time and again, I know it's not near the death sentence you're making it out to be, so if you're struggling against it, that tells me you're either biased or ought to get better at defending against it.

Strider__Roshin

Joy_Division wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

@Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

You can literally purge the zaan.

But 16k is out of stam?

I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

Yeah it's very balanced.

And after all this, experienced and skilled players, on all specs, typically don't die to soul assault.

I main a templar, which means I've used this a lot because my ultimate options are terrible. I've soul assaulted many many people. If it was half as deadly and good as you and others say it was, I would not have spent the past 2 years badgering ZOS to give Templars a legit ultimate.

You can come onto these forums and list out 100 reasons why this ultimate is in your estimation OP and that's fine. But being the user and the target of this ultimate time and again, I know it's not near the death sentence you're making it out to be, so if you're struggling against it, that tells me you're either biased or ought to get better at defending against it.

Defending this Ult is just as bad as defending Shield Breaker. No set nor ability should be a free win against particular specs.

Waffennacht

Because there is no snare I just use LoS to break it

Edit: wait, you have cloak, yet complain because you don't use the best counter provided to you? Smh

mr_wazzabi

Waffennacht wrote: »

Because there is no snare I just use LoS to break it

Edit: wait, you have cloak, yet complain because you don't use the best counter provided to you? Smh

Sa negates cloak.

Waffennacht

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mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Because there is no snare I just use LoS to break it

Edit: wait, you have cloak, yet complain because you don't use the best counter provided to you? Smh

Sa negates cloak.

Cloak breaks SA after 2 sec...