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Can we have a morph of Soul Assault that ignores damage shields?

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That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?
  • usmguy1234
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    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter soul assault and stillhave stamina afterwards since you have to block it.
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip.

    50k > 20k
    Edited by mr_wazzabi on August 25, 2018 5:22PM
    Bosmer Stamina NB
    Altmer Magicka TEMP
    Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
    Altmer Magicka NB
    Breton Magicka Sorc
    Redguard Stam Sorc
    Max CP
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    mr_wazzabi wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k

    50k?

    It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • Strider__Roshin
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    15k
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    Maybe zos should replace our weapons with sniper rifles and shotguns, so that we can actually one shot everything
  • mr_wazzabi
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    mr_wazzabi wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k

    50k?

    It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.

    Lol I rest my case :p
    Bosmer Stamina NB
    Altmer Magicka TEMP
    Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
    Altmer Magicka NB
    Breton Magicka Sorc
    Redguard Stam Sorc
    Max CP
  • usmguy1234
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

  • leepalmer95
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • usmguy1234
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.

    I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

  • leepalmer95
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.

    I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.

    You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • usmguy1234
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.

    I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.

    You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.

    I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

  • pteam
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    mr_wazzabi wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k

    50k?

    It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.

    Except that damage is cut in half in pvp
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    pteam wrote: »
    mr_wazzabi wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k

    50k?

    It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.

    Except that damage is cut in half in pvp

    And?

    so lets cut it in half. It's 35k pvp dmg then from 1 attack that always hits and doesn't cost resources.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
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    pteam wrote: »
    mr_wazzabi wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k

    50k?

    It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.

    Except that damage is cut in half in pvp

    So is the heal of vigor
    Bosmer Stamina NB
    Altmer Magicka TEMP
    Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
    Altmer Magicka NB
    Breton Magicka Sorc
    Redguard Stam Sorc
    Max CP
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.

    I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.

    You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.

    I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.

    The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.
  • mr_wazzabi
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    Daus wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.

    I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.

    You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.

    I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.

    The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.

    Soul assault is cheese. Which is why I use it on my stam nb lol. Easy kills in bg.

    If other players use sloads, zaan etc, soul assault cheese is justified. >:)

    But if all the above cheese is nerfed properly or removed, then yes, soul assualt should be interruptible
    Bosmer Stamina NB
    Altmer Magicka TEMP
    Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
    Altmer Magicka NB
    Breton Magicka Sorc
    Redguard Stam Sorc
    Max CP
  • usmguy1234
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    Daus wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.

    I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.

    You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.

    I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.

    The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.

    I understand your sentiment but honestly that should have been your argument from the begging. Counter play has left the game because Zos has decided to cater to causal players. In this game you literally have to gimp yourself to fight honorably. The question then becomes do you want to win or fight honorably?
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

  • Strider__Roshin
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    @Daus what is your vigor tooltip?

    Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.

    Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.

    You can literally purge the zaan.

    But 16k is out of stam?

    I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.

    I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.

    It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.

    Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.

    Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.

    So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k

    In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...

    But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.

    In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.

    This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.

    Yeah it's very balanced.

    I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.

    You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.

    I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.

    The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.

    I understand your sentiment but honestly that should have been your argument from the begging. Counter play has left the game because Zos has decided to cater to causal players. In this game you literally have to gimp yourself to fight honorably. The question then becomes do you want to win or fight honorably?

    The latter
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?
  • Strider__Roshin
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    Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

    Cheese and Scotch.
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    Daus wrote: »
    Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

    Cheese and Scotch.

    So you're a fat angry drunk?
  • Strider__Roshin
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    Daus wrote: »
    Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

    Cheese and Scotch.

    So you're a fat angry drunk?

    Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?
  • GrigorijMalahevich
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    Daus wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

    Cheese and Scotch.

    So you're a fat angry drunk?

    Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

    That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...
    PC/EU 800 CP.
    PvP MagSorc.
    Pedro Gonzales - Mag Sorc EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/CB6j6
    Valera Progib - Stam Sorc DC vMA Flawless Conqueror clear https://i.imgur.com/eYgpXG2.png
    Valera Pozhar - Mag DK EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/jrsuK
    Valera Podlechi - Mag Templar AD vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/N0BYq
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    Daus wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

    Cheese and Scotch.

    So you're a fat angry drunk?

    Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

    That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...

    Hahahaha
  • Strider__Roshin
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    Daus wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?

    Cheese and Scotch.

    So you're a fat angry drunk?

    Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?

    That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...

    Lol sure thing buddy
  • KingExecration
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    Give us a magic dawny instead of soul assault. The ultimate is such a rock paper scissors skill, you'll either get a fat burst, get losed mid channel, or target someone's pokemon build clanfear or something ridiculous.
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    Coming from someone who has pvped on every class mag and stam and mains a magden who uses it on the daily, soul assault is definitely overpowered against medium armor... while people don’t want to let it go because it gives them security against glass cannon stamblades, it absolutely deletes most medium armor builds when combined correctly or tears away their stam when they try and block because of how fast the damage ticks... that being said it’s not op against heavy armor stam or other mages and is one of the only good single target open world mag ults for warden and templar
  • ku5h
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    Daus wrote: »
    That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?

    Wow you stamNBs will never stop.

    Edited by ku5h on August 25, 2018 8:28PM
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