That way one morph is a free kill against stamina and the other is a free kill against magicka?
usmguy1234 wrote: »
usmguy1234 wrote: »
usmguy1234 wrote: »
mr_wazzabi wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k
leepalmer95 wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k
50k?
It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.
leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
leepalmer95 wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k
50k?
It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.
leepalmer95 wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k
50k?
It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.
Except that damage is cut in half in pvp
leepalmer95 wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Vigor at most has a tooltip of 20k. Soul assault can easily have a 50k tooltip. 50k > 20k
50k?
It's at near 70k on my mag sorc and i've got like 5% into dot cp.
Except that damage is cut in half in pvp
usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.
usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.
The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.
usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.
The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.
usmguy1234 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »
Not enough to counter potential 100k tooltips.
Obviously but that paired with rally should be enough in most cases. Block cost is roughly 16k without any blocking passives. That is definitely high but if you are playing on the ragged edge of being out of stam you are asking to be popped. I survived a templar's soul assault with a zaan proc on my stamplar so it is possible.
You can literally purge the zaan.
But 16k is out of stam?
I usually find that people defending the obviously intentionally OP skills used by bad players to secure ez kills are in fact bad players.
I've got to stand there and block for 4s while mitigating 70-100k tooltip while hoping my heals somehow work.
It's 8 ticks over 4s. Ignoring any dots on you which will make it cost up to double.
Then you add in the lost regen ticks which is 2 ticks worth which is usually 4-6k stamina lost.
Then you add in the heals costs, which is vigor which is expensive and a rally hoping you have rally and that it'll actually heal you noticeably.
So in the minimum end it's 16k + 4k + 4k (vigor) = 24k
In the maximum end its 32k (a block cost every 0.25s) + 6k (e.g. 3k regen) + 4k vigor + 3.5k rally.. ...
But still 1 cheap ultimate which is ranged and always hits will at the very least drain 20k stamina from someone.
In addition have a 70-100k tooltip which even in blocked in pvp is stil 17.5k- 25k dmg without armour/ cp.
This is all without including any dot dmg already on you or dmg of likelihood of the group behind the soul assault user because people who use this skill are never solo/ small scalers.
Yeah it's very balanced.
I've never slotted this ultimate nor am I defending it. What I am defending against is the asinine notion that this skill needs a morph that ignores shields just because the skill over performs on medium builds. I don't whine on the forums because dawnbreaker nukes my vampire characters in pvp. I adapt, overcome and get gud as people notoriously say on the forums.
You know the OP's suggestion was completely sarcastic right.
I'm not so sure. He was one of the most adamant voices behind the rune cage nerf and most recently posted a thread about shield nerfs. If it was sarcasm, it has no constructive value and is baiting. We'll let @Daus clarify so either the mods can close it or we can have a conversation around it.
The devil is in the details. Yeah I'm being sarcastic about the Stam morph. But I'm quite serious about the free AP against stam with Soul Assault in its current form. This ult needs to be interruptible. I have no idea why so much counter-play has been removed from the game. I miss the days when you were able to reflect meteor. PvP was so much more enjoyable back then.
I understand your sentiment but honestly that should have been your argument from the begging. Counter play has left the game because Zos has decided to cater to causal players. In this game you literally have to gimp yourself to fight honorably. The question then becomes do you want to win or fight honorably?
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Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?
Cheese and Scotch.
Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?
Cheese and Scotch.
So you're a fat angry drunk?
Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?
Cheese and Scotch.
So you're a fat angry drunk?
Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?
Valera Progib wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?
Cheese and Scotch.
So you're a fat angry drunk?
Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?
That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...
Valera Progib wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Dude, get a life. Do you like anything?
Cheese and Scotch.
So you're a fat angry drunk?
Lol 1-3 drinks a week doesn't make me a drunk, and I'm definitely not fat. I workout 6 days a week, 4 days at the gym, 1 5k run, and 2 days where I do body weight exercises such as pushups, situps, and pullups. Any other guesses?
That is faker than your posts. You are too busy posting fecies on forums regarding magsorc to have any time left to workout...