The change to riposte is too much

exeeter702

Kaysha wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

It still can have permanent uptime... What opponent isn't critting you once every 5 seconds...

As far as being only a back bar set, that's the choice that has to be made.

The fact that it can still have 100% uptime is still the problem in my opinion. No set should have 15% reduced damage for 100% of the time.

True, that's why I don't mind the duration reduction. I do mind however that it now is pretty useless against DoT builds and I think that's pretty weak for a 5 pc bonus that you pretty much will have to run on your front bar.

Dots cannot crit?

It no longer procs off dots or aoes, only direct damage now.

exeeter702

SilverWF wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

It still can have permanent uptime... What opponent isn't critting you once every 5 seconds...

As far as being only a back bar set, that's the choice that has to be made.

The fact that it can still have 100% uptime is still the problem in my opinion. No set should have 15% reduced damage for 100% of the time.

With direct damage?

Are light attacks not direct damage?

Grabmoore

I am a Magplar and I support this change. One more step into the right direction. Sick of players equipping certain sets and autoactivate ez mode. Wish they did the same with sloads though....

Riposte was not madatory at all. It was too ez to keep up the buff. Im happy peole actually have to do something now.

Jhalin

Feanor wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Rune cage nerf was very justified, stam builds could and can still break free, mag builds now can choose to dodge roll it. Now we don’t have to hope to high hell the skill doesn’t bug out, as an unavoidable cc. But I agree wizards repost was too much a nerf. Just reduce the uptime slightly and keep the proc conditions.

Justified? Turning a skill into a version that just drops block and isn’t even a guarantee it does? For the cost of 3k+ mag and a GCD? No thanks. It’s a waste.

Do you think the change to Defensive Rune was justified also? Really?

What part of “Rune Cage” did you read as “Defensive Rune”? Have you really been crutching on Rune Cage so much you can’t function without a ridiculously overtuned, Snipe range, unblockable, undodgeable, 5 second stun, that half the time bugs out and becomes unbreakable? Making it dodgeable is the least ZOS could do to make it bearable for everyone else.

KingExecration

Set gets annoying because it's always up in most fights. On my dk I always have the debuff because of its ridiculous uptime. I think it's a bland set on my magplar aswell, overall glad the nerf happened.

Feanor

Jhalin wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Rune cage nerf was very justified, stam builds could and can still break free, mag builds now can choose to dodge roll it. Now we don’t have to hope to high hell the skill doesn’t bug out, as an unavoidable cc. But I agree wizards repost was too much a nerf. Just reduce the uptime slightly and keep the proc conditions.

Justified? Turning a skill into a version that just drops block and isn’t even a guarantee it does? For the cost of 3k+ mag and a GCD? No thanks. It’s a waste.

Do you think the change to Defensive Rune was justified also? Really?

What part of “Rune Cage” did you read as “Defensive Rune”? Have you really been crutching on Rune Cage so much you can’t function without a ridiculously overtuned, Snipe range, unblockable, undodgeable, 5 second stun, that half the time bugs out and becomes unbreakable? Making it dodgeable is the least ZOS could do to make it bearable for everyone else.

The point is that it would have been better to not bring this version live at all, as ZOS was told before Summerset. I didn’t want three months of broken “fun” but a lasting useful change. What upsets me is that the class is now worse off than in CWC in regard to class skills. That’s the point.

Mureel

Stop people 1-2 shotting us from base too, and also, defensive rune did not need a nerf.

leepalmer95

Mayrael wrote: »

Defensive rune wasn't needed imho. But rune cage offered to much, it was almost guaranteed kill skill. When it goes to Wizards Riposte, I think that 5s duration and 10s cd would be perfectly fine. 100% uptime was bull$hit though.

It was a kill skill when you run around with 20k hp in light or medium in cp with no defensive sets/

Same as getting burst by pretty much anything when you are that squishy.

TheValar85

Waffennacht wrote: »

How.... How can someone look at the available sets and go:

"Riposte, yeah, that's the one set that needs nerfing right now"

???

thats a good question but i gues i can answer it Literally speaking the truth btw. here is your answer.

Som mele players lets name just one class lets say (just for expamle) NB can't deal with the fact that he can't one hitt killing a sorcerer instantly with one skill usage, whats comming from this? they come up to teh forum and start cry about the sorcerers inclduing tehir skills and their sets, like childs and complaining about how over performing the sorcerers... clearly it wouldn't take long to step aside a bit from teh fights and got to thinking my maybe the Nb having some issues wih hes fighting including missing logical thinking, lacking of creativity, not looking throuh the weekness of the class, not even considering to look up every posible tactical ways what to do in those kind of encounters. and so nooo they just cry for nerfs and @ZOS is so blinded by those demands they dont even look it up what could couse that issue, no they just simply administrating the issue as a player or players said its over performing so they nerf it while lcearly most of those players who demands those kind of things clearly they can't realy play and have no clue about their own classes. Reguardless if they say i know god damn well my class i play as (for example said above) NB sience beta and i know everything about that class. Well it seems like they dont realy. becasue if they sure do know their class they can actualy find what cosues the issue. wich in this case and in many other cases (wich comes from sorceres) it is 99.99% not the sorcerers skills or sets fault. So here is your answer. Sorry about my grammar and spelling English is not my natiev langugae, but i hope you udnerstood what im tried to say. The End conclusion basicly a bunch of players who cant play with their classes and they use this as a disadvantage as a balme uppon sorcerers stuffs, like their skills and sets. While clearly the issue is them and their lack of skills how to play as an Nb. (the classe was subjectivly used as an example, but that dosent mean that couldn't be true about that class users)

Millz

Sets a carry shouldnt have been introduced. ZoS promotes high defense / big heals more than actually doing damage on a dps.... wizards riposte on a magsorc? Like you need it.... most magsorcs now are running shadowrend and necro

Twohothardware

The change is warranted. You shouldn't be able to back bar a debuff this strong that gets applied to entire groups. If you want to use it give up something and put it on both bars just like you would other defensive sets like Impregnable.

JPcrazysquirrel3

Only ZOS would claim this update would make less desirable sets desirable,...but do so by nerfing the sets that people do use.

Gg, ZOS. You sure trolled us hard on that one!

Zelos

This isnt that bad of a change at all if you are a magicka sorc using it like I see 90% of the time you are on your backbar every 6 seconds anyway.