The change to riposte is too much

Malamar1229

Suggestion to change to 8 seconds. Largely a backbar set for classes like magicka sorcs, this nerf completely removes it from the option table further pigeonholing the class into 1 of like 3 options. Horrible.

The debuff was OP for providing it on multiple targets at once and for the length of time...but 5 seconds doesn't even allow it enough to be active while setting up a burst rotation.
To front bar the set means I lose 2k magicka and 1k stamina( domi/grothdar) which is not a favorable loss at all, or the use of a 2pc monster set.

Further, rune cage is back to useless which means back to the Reach meta. This also means Masters inferno staff which in conjunction with the riposte adjustment just ruins my set up. But my bias reasons aside, the nerf was way too much...8 seconds and I would live with it.


Something to keep in mind is the stat loss and dmg loss using this set. I am already trading dmg for survivability and now that option is neutered.

Vapirko

Well ya know...ZOS....and balance....we’ve been here before.

Jhalin

Rune cage nerf was very justified, stam builds could and can still break free, mag builds now can choose to dodge roll it. Now we don’t have to hope to high hell the skill doesn’t bug out, as an unavoidable cc. But I agree wizards repost was too much a nerf. Just reduce the uptime slightly and keep the proc conditions.

casparian

I'll add that, from a perspective other than magsorcs', the Riposte change further pigeonholes magplar and magDK into heavy armor and/or permablock setups.

And of course, once you switch to a lower-damage setup like that, by far the most efficient way to get enough damage to kill players is to add in a proc set or two.

LA magplar/magDK aren't dead, but the practical effect of the Riposte nerf will be more heavy armor magplars and magDKs out there getting kills with proc sets. Yay.

SilverWF

What about that 'back bar'? You can have both sets active all the time...

Anyway, with THAT changes, this set becomes trash, unmatter back, front or even both bars and a cap above all of it.

TheYKcid

Not a Riposte user (prefer Lich on my Magsorc's backbar), but I'm gonna miss being able to sell jewelry and certain body pieces for decent gold. It was one of the few (two?) BG reward sets that were useful and in-demand.

15 secs may have been a bit too much, but 5 is just waaay too low.

Speed_Kills

Riposte is still good enough to double bar. Remember, maim reduces damage to all of your group members as well. Also, from a solo perspective, it is still one of the top damage-reducing sets in game.

mb10

I think the changes are great

People were overly reliant on the set and 5 seconds means you have to both bar the set or frequently switch bars

It was legit easy mode before and could have a whole Zerg doing 15% less damage forever practically

Jeezye

mb10 wrote: »

I think the changes are great

People were overly reliant on the set and 5 seconds means you have to both bar the set or frequently switch bars

It was legit easy mode before and could have a whole Zerg doing 15% less damage forever practically

Agree. I think its still worth for backbar/defensive bar and 5 seconds means if you switch to offensive again then you'll take more damage soon after too.

The change to direct critial damage is nice too, so you don't get it from your tons of ground aoes and secondary effect.

Well done imo.

Feanor

Jhalin wrote: »

Rune cage nerf was very justified, stam builds could and can still break free, mag builds now can choose to dodge roll it. Now we don’t have to hope to high hell the skill doesn’t bug out, as an unavoidable cc. But I agree wizards repost was too much a nerf. Just reduce the uptime slightly and keep the proc conditions.

Justified? Turning a skill into a version that just drops block and isn’t even a guarantee it does? For the cost of 3k+ mag and a GCD? No thanks. It’s a waste.

Do you think the change to Defensive Rune was justified also? Really?

kadar

Further, rune cage is back to useless which means back to the Reach meta.

Rune cage should be on par with fossilize and fear after the changes. Is a 35m unblockable CC that flows perfectly with the mSorc kit useless?

Mayrael

Defensive rune wasn't needed imho. But rune cage offered to much, it was almost guaranteed kill skill. When it goes to Wizards Riposte, I think that 5s duration and 10s cd would be perfectly fine. 100% uptime was bull$hit though.

psxfloh

A: "We need to do something about Wizard's Riposte, it's OP.. any suggestions?"
B: "We could lower the duration of the debuff..."
C: "Or we could change it from 'critical damage' to 'direct critical damage'"
A: "Ok, let's do that!"
B+C: "Which?"
A: "Both"

on an unrelated side note, "Wizard's Riposte" can be exchanged by any Set, Skill, Class or Mechanic in the game, "OP" can be exchanged with "UP" (underperforming), the list of "B+C" may be of arbitrary size... and still it seems to be the standard process at ZOS' that all of the suggestions will be applied at once, nerfing or buffing said Set, Skill, Class or Mechanic that it will switch directly from "OP" to "UP" or vice versa.

lucky_Sage

casparian wrote: »

I'll add that, from a perspective other than magsorcs', the Riposte change further pigeonholes magplar and magDK into heavy armor and/or permablock setups.

And of course, once you switch to a lower-damage setup like that, by far the most efficient way to get enough damage to kill players is to add in a proc set or two.

LA magplar/magDK aren't dead, but the practical effect of the Riposte nerf will be more heavy armor magplars and magDKs out there getting kills with proc sets. Yay.

it doesn't force my magdk into heavy I maybe 1 squishy dk but my dmg is on lvl as stamblade and in bgs Im always highest dmg

Feanor

The_Outsider wrote: »

Further, rune cage is back to useless which means back to the Reach meta.

Rune cage should be on par with fossilize and fear after the changes. Is a 35m unblockable CC that flows perfectly with the mSorc kit useless?

Yes because you still don’t kill tanks and the others just dodge it. It’s a waste of a bar space and a waste of a GCD. You don’t need a CC to kill bad players. You need it for the good ones.

Beardimus

Honestly I've always given the devs credit. I'm a fan of this game etc etc but these cycle changes to Sorc, Riposte etc just show how out of touch they are and how useless the rep program is as they clearly aren't being listened to.

weedgenius

I’m already planning to decon mine rofl. I can use the inventory space and maybe I’ll get some purple mats. RIP this set.

Malamar1229

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Riposte is still good enough to double bar. Remember, maim reduces damage to all of your group members as well. Also, from a solo perspective, it is still one of the top damage-reducing sets in game.

Yes at a pretty substantial stat loss though

Joy_Division

You're going to have to find a different set. We got a year out of it, which isn't too bad of a run.

Feanor

Joy_Division wrote: »

You're going to have to find a different set. We got a year out of it, which isn't too bad of a run.

At this point it would be better to delete 80% of the sets and start from scratch.

Waffennacht

How.... How can someone look at the available sets and go:

"Riposte, yeah, that's the one set that needs nerfing right now"

???

Baz

If they revert the proc to all crit damages like before, even with 5sec duration, instead of crit direct damages, It will be okay

kadar

Feanor wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Further, rune cage is back to useless which means back to the Reach meta.

Rune cage should be on par with fossilize and fear after the changes. Is a 35m unblockable CC that flows perfectly with the mSorc kit useless?

Yes because you still don’t kill tanks and the others just dodge it. It’s a waste of a bar space and a waste of a GCD. You don’t need a CC to kill bad players. You need it for the good ones.

Man, that logic... We might as well not slot Fossilize or Fear either. Cause you don't need a CC to kill bad players, only good ones. I mean I can't seem to land fear on the sprinting 1vX stamsorc hero, better delete fear from the game right.

Rohamad_Ali

They need to tune suit sets with a scalpel not a sledgehammer as grinding these sets is a huge coin and time expense .

Jsmalls

It still can have permanent uptime... What opponent isn't critting you once every 5 seconds...

As far as being only a back bar set, that's the choice that has to be made.

The fact that it can still have 100% uptime is still the problem in my opinion. No set should have 15% reduced damage for 100% of the time.

Galarthor

Jsmalls wrote: »

It still can have permanent uptime... What opponent isn't critting you once every 5 seconds...

As far as being only a back bar set, that's the choice that has to be made.

The fact that it can still have 100% uptime is still the problem in my opinion. No set should have 15% reduced damage for 100% of the time.

True, that's why I don't mind the duration reduction. I do mind however that it now is pretty useless against DoT builds and I think that's pretty weak for a 5 pc bonus that you pretty much will have to run on your front bar.

Kaysha

Galarthor wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

It still can have permanent uptime... What opponent isn't critting you once every 5 seconds...

As far as being only a back bar set, that's the choice that has to be made.

The fact that it can still have 100% uptime is still the problem in my opinion. No set should have 15% reduced damage for 100% of the time.

True, that's why I don't mind the duration reduction. I do mind however that it now is pretty useless against DoT builds and I think that's pretty weak for a 5 pc bonus that you pretty much will have to run on your front bar.

Dots cannot crit?

Mintaka5

Tried this set for all of one day in Cyrodiil. Dumped it. The damage reduction is marginal at best. Yet another mag build disappointment. Thanks, ZOS

Waffennacht

Didn't @paulsimonps show the math about how the cooldown matters little?

I remember him doing something like that ..

Anyway, I'm just flabbergasted that ZoS choose to Nerf Riposte over so many sets that have WAY more QQ over.

I really hope a "representative" didn't do this

usmcjdking

The destruction of Cyro's Light and the destruction of Wizard's Riposte have left my magplar in a really bad spot.

SilverWF

Jsmalls wrote: »

It still can have permanent uptime... What opponent isn't critting you once every 5 seconds...

As far as being only a back bar set, that's the choice that has to be made.

The fact that it can still have 100% uptime is still the problem in my opinion. No set should have 15% reduced damage for 100% of the time.

With direct damage?