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MagNB PvP Healer 'BGs Specialized' - UPDATED FOR SCALEBREAKER
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brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »That’s funny I’ve been running almost this same build on my magblade for healing / support. I have a set I swap for shacklebreaker on body that works about twice as good but I’m not ready to share quite yet
glad someone else is finding the versatility of a magblade healer as well.
Eh whatever I’m feeling nice and been running it long enough, I’m share. Try out heavy tavas on your body over shacklebreaker and see what you think. I’ve been running heavy tavas, trans/lich + willpower 2h front bar for forward momentum. Been having a blast with this build with crazy support and ulti uptime + ~30k health in cyro lol.
Nothing secret about that really. Most nb healers have considered it. For bg / no cp tavas is medicore and doesnt help with any type of offensive pressure. In cp tavas trans is nice but it hardly game changing. If you really wanted to neck beard it and drop all forms of offense, you just go frost front, with tavas and trans + blood spawn.
I still think most of the builds here lack too much pressure for my liking.
I take pressure but with swift jewelry, forward momentum, a plethora of stamina, cloak, and area denial cc, very few players are locking me down. It's just not happening.
But I also don't believe I take as much pressure as I should. Even some of the more dedicated groups get lax and don't focus me like they would a templar or warden throwing out heals.
It's very underestimated and I'm very happy with that.
@HEBREWHAMMERRR
I will look into that set thanks!1 -
HEBREWHAMMERRR✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »That’s funny I’ve been running almost this same build on my magblade for healing / support. I have a set I swap for shacklebreaker on body that works about twice as good but I’m not ready to share quite yet glad someone else is finding the versatility of a magblade healer as well.
Eh whatever I’m feeling nice and been running it long enough, I’m share. Try out heavy tavas on your body over shacklebreaker and see what you think. I’ve been running heavy tavas, trans/lich + willpower 2h front bar for forward momentum. Been having a blast with this build with crazy support and ulti uptime + ~30k health in cyro lol.
Nothing secret about that really. Most nb healers have considered it. For bg / no cp tavas is medicore and doesnt help with any type of offensive pressure. In cp tavas trans is nice but it hardly game changing. If you really wanted to neck beard it and drop all forms of offense, you just go frost front, with tavas and trans + blood spawn.
I still think most of the builds here lack too much pressure for my liking.
https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/o-polecat/video/59783366
This was a 4 man that I kept healed while we continuously wiped red and blue zergs for about 2+ hours. I was kicking way more dawnbreakers than resto ultis and just spamming springs for mag regen. The offensive pressure isn’t eye popping but you help and easily keep your squad up with healing ult “oh sh*t” button if needed. I found much more value in tavas over trans personally having ran trans riposte skoria since day 1 morrowind for BGs. Trans feels underwhelming in non-CP where it isn’t insane crit damage going around due to the CP tree multiplied being taken away. Just my two cents but I’ve pretty much tried it all on magblade.0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »That’s funny I’ve been running almost this same build on my magblade for healing / support. I have a set I swap for shacklebreaker on body that works about twice as good but I’m not ready to share quite yet glad someone else is finding the versatility of a magblade healer as well.
Eh whatever I’m feeling nice and been running it long enough, I’m share. Try out heavy tavas on your body over shacklebreaker and see what you think. I’ve been running heavy tavas, trans/lich + willpower 2h front bar for forward momentum. Been having a blast with this build with crazy support and ulti uptime + ~30k health in cyro lol.
Nothing secret about that really. Most nb healers have considered it. For bg / no cp tavas is medicore and doesnt help with any type of offensive pressure. In cp tavas trans is nice but it hardly game changing. If you really wanted to neck beard it and drop all forms of offense, you just go frost front, with tavas and trans + blood spawn.
I still think most of the builds here lack too much pressure for my liking.
I take pressure but with swift jewelry, forward momentum, a plethora of stamina, cloak, and area denial cc, very few players are locking me down. It's just not happening.
But I also don't believe I take as much pressure as I should. Even some of the more dedicated groups get lax and don't focus me like they would a templar or warden throwing out heals.
It's very underestimated and I'm very happy with that.
@HEBREWHAMMERRR
I will look into that set thanks!
I should have clarified i meant offensive pressure as in the nb healer possessing it not receiving it.0 -
HEBREWHAMMERRR✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »That’s funny I’ve been running almost this same build on my magblade for healing / support. I have a set I swap for shacklebreaker on body that works about twice as good but I’m not ready to share quite yet glad someone else is finding the versatility of a magblade healer as well.
Eh whatever I’m feeling nice and been running it long enough, I’m share. Try out heavy tavas on your body over shacklebreaker and see what you think. I’ve been running heavy tavas, trans/lich + willpower 2h front bar for forward momentum. Been having a blast with this build with crazy support and ulti uptime + ~30k health in cyro lol.
Nothing secret about that really. Most nb healers have considered it. For bg / no cp tavas is medicore and doesnt help with any type of offensive pressure. In cp tavas trans is nice but it hardly game changing. If you really wanted to neck beard it and drop all forms of offense, you just go frost front, with tavas and trans + blood spawn.
I still think most of the builds here lack too much pressure for my liking.
I take pressure but with swift jewelry, forward momentum, a plethora of stamina, cloak, and area denial cc, very few players are locking me down. It's just not happening.
But I also don't believe I take as much pressure as I should. Even some of the more dedicated groups get lax and don't focus me like they would a templar or warden throwing out heals.
It's very underestimated and I'm very happy with that.
@HEBREWHAMMERRR
I will look into that set thanks!
I should have clarified i meant offensive pressure as in the nb healer possessing it not receiving it.
Are you primarily focusing on BGs or what? You should be able to find a sweet spot of 6-700k damage and 3-400k healing if you’re not trying to be a primary healer but more support
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brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »That’s funny I’ve been running almost this same build on my magblade for healing / support. I have a set I swap for shacklebreaker on body that works about twice as good but I’m not ready to share quite yet glad someone else is finding the versatility of a magblade healer as well.
Eh whatever I’m feeling nice and been running it long enough, I’m share. Try out heavy tavas on your body over shacklebreaker and see what you think. I’ve been running heavy tavas, trans/lich + willpower 2h front bar for forward momentum. Been having a blast with this build with crazy support and ulti uptime + ~30k health in cyro lol.
Nothing secret about that really. Most nb healers have considered it. For bg / no cp tavas is medicore and doesnt help with any type of offensive pressure. In cp tavas trans is nice but it hardly game changing. If you really wanted to neck beard it and drop all forms of offense, you just go frost front, with tavas and trans + blood spawn.
I still think most of the builds here lack too much pressure for my liking.
I take pressure but with swift jewelry, forward momentum, a plethora of stamina, cloak, and area denial cc, very few players are locking me down. It's just not happening.
But I also don't believe I take as much pressure as I should. Even some of the more dedicated groups get lax and don't focus me like they would a templar or warden throwing out heals.
It's very underestimated and I'm very happy with that.
@HEBREWHAMMERRR
I will look into that set thanks!
I should have clarified i meant offensive pressure as in the nb healer possessing it not receiving it.
Got ya! Yep you are correct that I don't have much offensive pressure.
This build definitely relies on teammates to take enemies down. If I get caught on my own I'm usually just an annoyance to enemies until someone shows up to start "pew-pewing".0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »That’s funny I’ve been running almost this same build on my magblade for healing / support. I have a set I swap for shacklebreaker on body that works about twice as good but I’m not ready to share quite yet glad someone else is finding the versatility of a magblade healer as well.
Eh whatever I’m feeling nice and been running it long enough, I’m share. Try out heavy tavas on your body over shacklebreaker and see what you think. I’ve been running heavy tavas, trans/lich + willpower 2h front bar for forward momentum. Been having a blast with this build with crazy support and ulti uptime + ~30k health in cyro lol.
Nothing secret about that really. Most nb healers have considered it. For bg / no cp tavas is medicore and doesnt help with any type of offensive pressure. In cp tavas trans is nice but it hardly game changing. If you really wanted to neck beard it and drop all forms of offense, you just go frost front, with tavas and trans + blood spawn.
I still think most of the builds here lack too much pressure for my liking.
I take pressure but with swift jewelry, forward momentum, a plethora of stamina, cloak, and area denial cc, very few players are locking me down. It's just not happening.
But I also don't believe I take as much pressure as I should. Even some of the more dedicated groups get lax and don't focus me like they would a templar or warden throwing out heals.
It's very underestimated and I'm very happy with that.
@HEBREWHAMMERRR
I will look into that set thanks!
I should have clarified i meant offensive pressure as in the nb healer possessing it not receiving it.
Are you primarily focusing on BGs or what? You should be able to find a sweet spot of 6-700k damage and 3-400k healing if you’re not trying to be a primary healer but more support
No, as a primary healer in bgs, i believe you still benefit your team with some damage. Esp as nb.
Scenarios like these should be an ideal objective
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Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭Lol its funny cuz I got so frustrated with my saptank that I switched it to healing too with amazing results. Two days later, I discover this post, seems like I'm not the only nightblade healer after all. It's actually insanly strong, mutagen path and offering on their own provide enough healing to keep the group alive, and bursting them soul siphons puts everyone immortal for 5 seconds. Its insane, and the best part is you can still dish out some decent damage with funnel and sap. Really fell in love with the playstyle, I'll see if I can minmax my build and will posts results here.
For now, my highest healing in Deathmatch was 1,7 mil and 600 k damage, really nice stats 0 -
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✭About to just heal on mag warden for bgs. Mag warden is in such a shytty spot right now....0 -
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✭It's not a secret to anyone that Nightblades are the best raw healers. They have the best passives and the best kit to work with it. Soul Tether healing morph is busted. (There's a reason ball-groups run 1 or 2 NB healers by now..) NB heals are busted. Been sicne they changed healthy offering.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »It's not a secret to anyone that Nightblades are the best raw healers. They have the best passives and the best kit to work with it. Soul Tether healing morph is busted. (There's a reason ball-groups run 1 or 2 NB healers by now..) NB heals are busted. Been sicne they changed healthy offering.
Well it's got to be a secret on Xbox NA lol. I'm getting messages several times a week with people wanting to verify I'm healing on a NB.
And I've yet to see another NB running something like this on my platform in BGs (where I mostly dwell).
As far as Soul Siphon goes, I actually prefer the Resto ultimate. I find myself really trying to like it but when I need it lag usually wins and I die before getting it off.
I would say NB heals are out-performing expectations, but not necessarily busted. That being said, they are unfortunately easily exploitable. I'll leave it at that.0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »It's not a secret to anyone that Nightblades are the best raw healers. They have the best passives and the best kit to work with it. Soul Tether healing morph is busted. (There's a reason ball-groups run 1 or 2 NB healers by now..) NB heals are busted. Been sicne they changed healthy offering.
Well it's got to be a secret on Xbox NA lol. I'm getting messages several times a week with people wanting to verify I'm healing on a NB.
And I've yet to see another NB running something like this on my platform in BGs (where I mostly dwell).
As far as Soul Siphon goes, I actually prefer the Resto ultimate. I find myself really trying to like it but when I need it lag usually wins and I die before getting it off.
I would say NB heals are out-performing expectations, but not necessarily busted. That being said, they are unfortunately easily exploitable. I'll leave it at that.
Yeah its hard to justify soulsiphon over lights champion imo. Since my build operates primarily on the front bar with destro, that bar houses offering, strife, cripple, most healing boost is on that bar with siphoning attacks on back bar for the magicka boost, so its far more ideal to have a cheap cast and swap ultimate heal that has its ticks buffed by the front bar.
Especially with the new resto staff coming, it will make that decision even more stacked.0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Soul siphon is far better than resto ult for healing through ult dumps in groups. Resto ult is better for smaller group and solo play. If I heal in BG I def slot soul siphon. Too good not to use.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Soul siphon is far better than resto ult for healing through ult dumps in groups. Resto ult is better for smaller group and solo play. If I heal in BG I def slot soul siphon. Too good not to use.
I think Soul Siphon is better for coordinated group play but Resto is better when pugging.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Soul siphon is far better than resto ult for healing through ult dumps in groups. Resto ult is better for smaller group and solo play. If I heal in BG I def slot soul siphon. Too good not to use.
It doesn't lag for you? I always find there is a delay with it that simply doesn't happen with Resto ultimate.0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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It's not lag, the animation itself is simply a bit long. Yea sometimes it comes a bit too late, but I have turned many fights around completely because of soul siphon. Lights champion doesnt have the same impact.brandonv516 wrote: »Soul siphon is far better than resto ult for healing through ult dumps in groups. Resto ult is better for smaller group and solo play. If I heal in BG I def slot soul siphon. Too good not to use.
It doesn't lag for you? I always find there is a delay with it that simply doesn't happen with Resto ultimate.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
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It's not lag, the animation itself is simply a bit long. Yea sometimes it comes a bit too late, but I have turned many fights around completely because of soul siphon. Lights champion doesnt have the same impact.brandonv516 wrote: »Soul siphon is far better than resto ult for healing through ult dumps in groups. Resto ult is better for smaller group and solo play. If I heal in BG I def slot soul siphon. Too good not to use.
It doesn't lag for you? I always find there is a delay with it that simply doesn't happen with Resto ultimate.
You can and should cancel the animations for tether/siphon1 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »It's not a secret to anyone that Nightblades are the best raw healers. They have the best passives and the best kit to work with it. Soul Tether healing morph is busted. (There's a reason ball-groups run 1 or 2 NB healers by now..) NB heals are busted. Been sicne they changed healthy offering.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/429722/which-healer-class-would-you-rather-have-in-your-pvp-group#latest
Says otherwise. I was one of the few people that would prefer a nb.
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HackTheMinotaur✭✭✭✭NB healers is the new PVP meta, lol. But I like that there are many different ways to heal on the NB. You can go pure healing, healer-tank, healer-dps, etc. You can create a fun and unique build while still being effective thanks to STRONG class abilities. I wish more classes were like this.
This is my current build, still in the tweaking phase, inspired by many ideas in this thread. Thanks to the OP and all here!
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭HackTheMinotaur wrote: »NB healers is the new PVP meta, lol. But I like that there are many different ways to heal on the NB. You can go pure healing, healer-tank, healer-dps, etc. You can create a fun and unique build while still being effective thanks to STRONG class abilities. I wish more classes were like this.
This is my current build, still in the tweaking phase, inspired by many ideas in this thread. Thanks to the OP and all here!https://youtu.be/4fb6sLRo78s
Now that Durok’s is nerfed this may be true. Last patch you couldn’t really heal-tank on mageblade. Still need to slot purge to really outperform Magplar though which is hugely expensive1 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Care to elaborate on the CP you use by any chance?
Okay so here goes:
37 Warlord
2 Sprinter
64 Mooncalf
64 Arcanist
27 Tenacity
43 Healthy
23 Tumbling
76 Blessed
26 Elfborn
76 Elemental Expert
19 Staff Expert
37 Master at Arms
26 Thaumaturge
39 Resistant
37 Thick Skinned
43 Hardy
43 Elemental Defender
61 Bastion
37 Quick Recovery
I'm sure it could be better but that's where it landed.Edited by brandonv516 on September 10, 2018 5:35AM0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea thats correct. The worst outcome possible is when you pop the ult but die before the heal applied, and you respawn with 0 ult.
It's not lag, the animation itself is simply a bit long. Yea sometimes it comes a bit too late, but I have turned many fights around completely because of soul siphon. Lights champion doesnt have the same impact.brandonv516 wrote: »Soul siphon is far better than resto ult for healing through ult dumps in groups. Resto ult is better for smaller group and solo play. If I heal in BG I def slot soul siphon. Too good not to use.
It doesn't lag for you? I always find there is a delay with it that simply doesn't happen with Resto ultimate.
You can and should cancel the animations for tether/siphon0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭-Champion points added to OP
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(now one video displaying Time Freeze and one displaying Manifestation of Terror)0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've gotten really comfortable with this build. So comfortable I really pushed the healing potential in BGs:
I really feel this build will excel in Murkmire and I will be making updates as soon as we determine what further changes will come with the PTS.
Bring on 3 million healing!0 -
ascan7✭✭✭Theorycrafted an almost identical build regarding the abilities, but i was really lost on equipment
thank you or the advices!
how will this build change with Murkmire? Strife gets nerfed...1 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Theorycrafted an almost identical build regarding the abilities, but i was really lost on equipment
thank you or the advices!
how will this build change with Murkmire? Strife gets nerfed...
For Murkmire this would be one potential change (with vMA Resto staff):Perfect Mender’s Ward
2: Magicka Recovery
2: Steadfast Ward applies Major Vitality to your target for 3 seconds, increasing the healing taken on your target by 30%.
As for Strife:Strife: Reduced the damage done by this ability by half, but it now also heals for 50% of the damage done and can now target you or any ally. The total healing amount remains unchanged.
Swallow Soul (morph): This morph now doubles the damage, but decreases the heal to 35% of the damage done and can only target you. The passive Minor Vitality effect has been removed.
Funnel Health: This morph will now always heal you in addition to an ally.
Since this is a healing build, I would go with Funnel Health now since Minor Vitality is gone. That being said, I have played this build without either Swallow or Funnel. Heals are more than enough without it.0 -
PickleRick✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Theorycrafted an almost identical build regarding the abilities, but i was really lost on equipment
thank you or the advices!
how will this build change with Murkmire? Strife gets nerfed...
For Murkmire this would be one potential change (with vMA Resto staff):Perfect Mender’s Ward
2: Magicka Recovery
2: Steadfast Ward applies Major Vitality to your target for 3 seconds, increasing the healing taken on your target by 30%.
As for Strife:Strife: Reduced the damage done by this ability by half, but it now also heals for 50% of the damage done and can now target you or any ally. The total healing amount remains unchanged.
Swallow Soul (morph): This morph now doubles the damage, but decreases the heal to 35% of the damage done and can only target you. The passive Minor Vitality effect has been removed.
Funnel Health: This morph will now always heal you in addition to an ally.
Since this is a healing build, I would go with Funnel Health now since Minor Vitality is gone. That being said, I have played this build without either Swallow or Funnel. Heals are more than enough without it.
I'd for sure drop it altogether.
Have you considered mend wounds?Come on, flip the pickle, Morty, you're not gonna regret it. The payoff is huge. I turned myself into a pickle, Morty! Boom! Big reveal! I'm a pickle! What do you think about that? I turned myself into a pickle! W-w-what are you just staring at me for, bro, I turned myself into a pickle, Morty.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PickleRick wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Theorycrafted an almost identical build regarding the abilities, but i was really lost on equipment
thank you or the advices!
how will this build change with Murkmire? Strife gets nerfed...
For Murkmire this would be one potential change (with vMA Resto staff):Perfect Mender’s Ward
2: Magicka Recovery
2: Steadfast Ward applies Major Vitality to your target for 3 seconds, increasing the healing taken on your target by 30%.
As for Strife:Strife: Reduced the damage done by this ability by half, but it now also heals for 50% of the damage done and can now target you or any ally. The total healing amount remains unchanged.
Swallow Soul (morph): This morph now doubles the damage, but decreases the heal to 35% of the damage done and can only target you. The passive Minor Vitality effect has been removed.
Funnel Health: This morph will now always heal you in addition to an ally.
Since this is a healing build, I would go with Funnel Health now since Minor Vitality is gone. That being said, I have played this build without either Swallow or Funnel. Heals are more than enough without it.
I'd for sure drop it altogether.
Have you considered mend wounds?
Yeah that's a good suggestion. I switched all the gear to a new NB so I can run BGs so I'd have to unlock that skill line again. Might have to try it out, thanks!0 -
PickleRick✭✭✭@brandonv516 would you mind messaging me to discuss this build further? Forums won’t let me message you for some reasonCome on, flip the pickle, Morty, you're not gonna regret it. The payoff is huge. I turned myself into a pickle, Morty! Boom! Big reveal! I'm a pickle! What do you think about that? I turned myself into a pickle! W-w-what are you just staring at me for, bro, I turned myself into a pickle, Morty.0
