Punish players who use macros

BTRR

80% of the players use them, a lot of videos and even advertising in the chat.
These players must be punished for always.

Hokiewa

How did you arrive at the 80% figure? Oh that's right, you figured out one person doing it and saw a few videos then it becomes this massive epidemic.

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[Edit to remove bait.]

Runs

Screenshot or give the video url when you report. Keep up on the reporting. Don't get pissed off when Chet tells you to put the players on ignore. Ignoring players lets you know if they get banned. When banned they will be removed from ignore list.

Keep in mind just because someone says they do something, doesn't mean they actually are doing it. Some people aren't completely honest in chat and are just looking to troll other players into becoming mad.

Salvas_Aren

Can't be 80%, I get grouped with too many bootless DDs for this rate.

Priyasekarssk

BTRR wrote: »

80% of the players use them, a lot of videos and even advertising in the chat.
These players must be punished for always.

For your information, currently only NB can use macro because of instant damage rather timed( only in PVP) . DK to some extent, but not required, since only 2 buttons mostly . Other classes even if they use macro they cannot be effective. Other classes mostly based on timed execute and timed procs.

Where is your 80 percent comes from ?

Apache_Kid

Imagine being so bad you have to use macros loooooool. Sometimes I'm glad I play this game on console. Keep all that ish away from me and the people i play with fam

Edit: there are macros on console to an extent but its the bot farmers that use them to farm mudcrabs or other scrap-giving enemies over and over.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

zos has no stance on macro's, they are not for them or against them plus its impossible to police, since game is not server side

xilfxlegion

Runs wrote: »

Screenshot or give the video url when you report. Keep up on the reporting. Don't get pissed off when Chet tells you to put the players on ignore. Ignoring players lets you know if they get banned. When banned they will be removed from ignore list.

Keep in mind just because someone says they do something, doesn't mean they actually are doing it. Some people aren't completely honest in chat and are just looking to troll other players into becoming mad.

i kept wondering why that kept popping up --- thanks for the info

Valrien

Why would you care even if people use macros?

People use macros in video games all the time, it's not like it's anything new

madurbu

Does this include macros for emotes?

SakuraRush

Macros aren't a problem. Unattended macroing is. Something that has been a problem since the days of UO, where you could get banned for it.

Even if it was against the rules it wouldn't matter much as ZoS seems to have no consistent stance on how to punish those who break rules of any sort.

I fail to see how a macro would be of much help in ESO as it is. It wouldn't allow someone to perform a series of actions any faster unless I'm missing something.

Though I would gladly take a macro for "craft 100 of X" for example.

Epona222

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A magician never tells their sercrets! A statistician is similar, except their craft involves a lot more data gathering -something that is sorely lacking in this "let's throw percentages around" fest

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must ask that posts from here be kept civil and constructive.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

Some players have to use macros, like if a disability or other effect leaves them with limited hand/arm function. Punishing players who use macros would be punishing players who do nothing wrong.

Also, macros don't turn the tide dramatically in the user's favor in any content, global cooldowns still exist and you can learn to weave or block/bar swap cancel like the rest of us and still be competitive in all content.

Jayman1000

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

zos has no stance on macro's, they are not for them or against them plus its impossible to police, since game is not server side

They could begin to scan our computers for prohibited programs just like Blizzard does, that would make it very much possible to police. Why not give up a little liberty to gain a little security? what harm could come of it.

That being said Im against macros since it gives an unfair advantage to some players over others.

DeadlyRecluse

BTRR wrote: »

80% of the players use them, a lot of videos and even advertising in the chat.

I have literally never seen it advertised in chat. Screenshot and report if it happens.

I've seen a total one video of a dude showing how to macro barswap cancelling, and even he was like "this is pretty much a waste of time." Link a couple of these elusive macro videos?

You can hypothetically gain a few milliseconds with a cancel macro, but the odds of it being consistent in lag/against dynamic targets? Slim.

Diddly_D_Potatoes

BTRR wrote: »

80% of the players use them

Jayman1000

100% of memes claiming 90% of statistics are completely false are mostly false.

geonsocal

madurbu wrote: »

Does this include macros for emotes?

macros for emotes - most brilliant idea ever...

thinking of all the possibilities now...that would be a pretty freaking cool way to interact with other players...

Recremen

First, that is a ridiculous statement regarding the number of players using macros. Last I heard the vast majority of players weren't even using 5-piece sets, there is no way I'm trusting 80% of people to have so little engagement with the game systems AND also somehow be hyper-invested into cheating.

Now with that aside, stopping macros obviously would be great, but how would you go about it? You'd need either software installed on client computers to spy on user input and detect common macro programs, or you'd need incredibly expensive server-side tests of all user input received to see if it fits a pattern. And I don't just mean financially expensive, I mean computationally expensive, bordering on computationally impossible.

s7732425ub17_ESO

I think you are talking about macro use in PVP (aka cheating)?

First of all, if you spend any time playing PVP and work to become a good PVP player, you will realize that 99.9% of players are NOT using macros in their gameplay. I've played 4-6 hours of PVP every day for the last month or so on the most populated PC servers NA. I have never run across another player that I think is cheating or would be using macros. You need to spend more time learning about the game mechanics and then you will understand how to do things legitimately.

raasdal

99% of players claiming others use Macros, have no clue what a Macro is, how it works, and most importantly; how it interacts / does not interact with this games Global Cooldown.

WrathOfInnos

The game is already pretty punishing to macros. They could maybe be used to get a good dummy parse or set up a gank, but for any real PVE or PVP scenario you need to be able to react and adapt quickly to different scenarios. Macro users are typically the first to die, and they don’t get any real advantage.

Volckodav

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

The game is already pretty punishing to macros. They could maybe be used to get a good dummy parse or set up a gank, but for any real PVE or PVP scenario you need to be able to react and adapt quickly to different scenarios. Macro users are typically the first to die, and they don’t get any real advantage.

This is exactly what I was about to say.

+ sometime ''game desing''/ abilities that will land at the same time (snipe...) possibly seems to be maccroed, but that and lag/high ping is most of the time, unfortunately is what really happend in PVP.

Horowonnoe

BTRR wrote: »

80% of the players use them, a lot of videos and even advertising in the chat.
These players must be punished for always.

80%??? Lol! Most people probably walk around and quest all day and do RP. They sure need a macro for that /sitchair emote.

BuddyAces

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must ask that posts from here be kept civil and constructive.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

What does the V in your name mean!?! It is driving me bonkers. I demand an explanation at once!

Diddly_D_Potatoes

Jayman1000 wrote: »

100% of memes claiming 90% of statistics are completely false are mostly false.

LegendaryMage

Macros in PVP (not to mention when latency goes up) is something you absolutely do not want. Their use is niche and very rare, and since ESO has a 1 second global cooldown, there is really no point.

Think of it this way, why do you think a player who doesn't know how to properly animation cancel or judge what combos to use at what time (speaking of PVP now) would be better off with a macro that he'd have to often manually manage and execute as well?

He'd have to create and execute quickly very different sequences of 'macro'd' skills and while doing so, would have been better off just playing the game normally without complicating it.

Since it's really not complicated to learn a few different ways of animation canceling, light attacking between skills, and then just practice it until it becomes the primary way of playing it.

This is NOT a complicated game, it's actually very easy to learn and practice.

It makes no sense, such players (the ones who are bad) will still be bad even with a macro. Sure, they will automate a thing or two under ideal conditions (and probably execute it clumsily) but they won't really improve much.

There are also many playstyles and builds that absolutely do not benefit from using a macro and if someone is, they're really gimping themselves.

Here's an example. I could macro my sorc to do hardened ward - light attack - harness magicka into a weapon swap to put me on the dps bar and then execute some basic dps rotation, and then what? I have to wait a few good seconds for all of that to happen, and I'm 100% untrained to play the game like that, it would drive me crazy to watch my character load up on sequences that I'm not even 100% sure he should be doing. You got me now?

A macro cannot adjust your tactics and human decisions are key for successful gameplay. At least in PVP.

I'm sure there are a few gankers here and there that have macro'd a couple of sequences, but you can't do anything about those and they are very rare anyway.

Roztlin45

A Macro is in fact CHEATING. It is not your finger selection of skills but a preprogramed response ( multiple inputs) to a single command. The only difference in a Macro and a Bot is complete automation of commands.

You can justify it any way you want , but in the case of PVP, it removes player skill and should therefor be banned in the game.

It has been shown that in other MMO's you will be Banned or at least disqualified for the use of Macro's.


My Idea is that any player caught cheating in any manner should be forced to wear a Dunce cap on their character for no less than 1 week.LOL

ezio45

what are marcos

DuskMarine

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must ask that posts from here be kept civil and constructive.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

@ZOS_GregoryV could we get a statement on what zos actually thinks about this though? macros kindve ruin the whole skill factor of the game tbh.