Punishement for traitors?

gepe87

Changing alliance to see how other faction works and team up with different people/mechanics/map diversity is not betrayal, but the case you exposed is clearly an abuse to pvp community. There are mad people out there .

DeadlyRecluse

Astrid_V wrote: »

Should it stay like this, or should ZOS implement some kind of "traitor system", where the players could "vote" for traitors and after X amount of votes they could be punished in some way?

I'm aware that this kind of system could be abused by some groups of players.

I mean, you point out the glaring problem right there.

It WOULD be abused. And "traitors" would just get slightly more careful (not emote, die while pretending to fight...nobody is any wiser)...

And you'd have people logging over to alts to mass "traitor vote" people they just don't like on other factions.

Konstant_Tel_Necris

Punishement for traitors?

Sparr0w

Some spy/bounty system, X time after joining a campaign with a different alliance character, magelight/detect pots reveal you for your true colours & you then appear as that colour until the timer runs out.

Probably not but sounded cool.

Yellow_Monolith

If Zos would just alliance lock campaigns again we wouldn't have traitors

AhPook_Is_Here

I don't see how you could fix it, while if there was a "vote-ban" to vote to ban a player for say like 30 minutes for bad behavior, wouldn't guilds just use it to protect AP leads for emp farming by banning anyone catching up with their lift target?

While the events you describe are both comical and sad, any player driven enforcement system will lead to worse outcomes.

Aliyavana

Faction loyalty campaigns

BackAndAngry

Player "N" in Sotha... yeah... sad. More then one "N" in 4 years though so expect nothing.

Devs alsways so eager to give free stuff to see if they can retain players for a while longer, how about loyalty end of campaign bonus (acount ofc)?

Jamdarius

Cactus316000 wrote: »

If Zos would just alliance lock campaigns again we wouldn't have traitors

Doesn't change the fact some players got more than 1 account and can still be in same campaign... just on different accounts.

LadyLethalla

Astrid_V wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

However you may be wrong about the alliance lock, @ZOS_BryanW said pre update 18 they are looking at a solution

Source?

I believe he said it on ESO Live a couple of months ago... if my memory serves me correctly.

LadyLethalla

Cactus316000 wrote: »

If Zos would just alliance lock campaigns again we wouldn't have traitors

Of course we would. PSN Chat, XBox chat, Discord... not all your friends are the same faction as you, are they? Mine certainly aren't.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Alliance locking the campaigns will not work, alot of peeps have a second or 3rd account due to the fact humble had eso as part of their monthly bundle, one of the probs at the mo, is the yellows and blues are faction locking us, expolting the queue with jumping and going on their second accounts, sitting an ep in a keep then going on yellow or blue, it can never be sorted and as for N we all know he is a yellow, he was shouting in zone to let the yellows get emp and started to have a fit when ep would not

dtsharples

Encourage everyone on your faction to put this persons account on ignore.
That way their fake calls and LFM can't be seen in zone chat. I put every traitor straight on ignore immediately, no use wasting time on these people.
You can add notes to ignore lists to remind you who people are and why.

Learn who the genuine pug group leaders tend to be in your campaign, and maybe friend them for future grouping.
Or better still, join a faction only PVP guild.
The only way to even try to retaliate to something like this, something that can't be so easily monitored or deterred - is to also ruin their fun as much as you can within the ToS.

Maura_Neysa

Would love to see account locked to Alliance for the duration of a Campaign.
You could swap to play with friends, but you couldn't swap mid campaign.
For the Alliance die-hards, like me, nothing would really change.
It would make the choice between 30 and 7 day campaign all the more valuable.

That's the cheap fix though. The real fix...

Add in NPCs titled Alliance Recruiter. When you talk to this NPC you can Join an Alliance or leave it. (Not at Character creation)
- Joining an Alliance works exactly the way the world does now
- Leaving an Alliance cost [x] gold and resets your Alliance Rank. Not the skill lines, colors, etc, just the actual Rank and Titles
- Not Joining an Alliance means you can go quest in Cryodiil. Minus all AP or Alliance based rewards. Note: this actually leaves the door open for Spies, just with no reward to it. They of course would also have their own Zone Chat too. Maybe make them still attack-able but with Increase resistances and even lower damage output. That way they aren't worth killing unless they really are spies.
Honestly the last one I is just icing, the first two are the key

Jamdarius

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Would love to see account locked to Alliance for the duration of a Campaign.
You could swap to play with friends, but you couldn't swap mid campaign.
For the Alliance die-hards, like me, nothing would really change.
It would make the choice between 30 and 7 day campaign all the more valuable.

That's the cheap fix though. The real fix...

Add in NPCs titled Alliance Recruiter. When you talk to this NPC you can Join an Alliance or leave it. (Not at Character creation)
- Joining an Alliance works exactly the way the world does now
- Leaving an Alliance cost [x] gold and resets your Alliance Rank. Not the skill lines, colors, etc, just the actual Rank and Titles
- Not Joining an Alliance means you can go quest in Cryodiil. Minus all AP or Alliance based rewards. Note: this actually leaves the door open for Spies, just with no reward to it. They of course would also have their own Zone Chat too. Maybe make them still attack-able but with Increase resistances and even lower damage output. That way they aren't worth killing unless they really are spies.
Honestly the last one I is just icing, the first two are the key

Again it won't work... people have multiple accounts...Your ideas would make less players going to be traitors but at the same time It wouldn't change that some will be still traitors.

Raammzzaa

Faction lock I could get behind, but no way would I support any form of new player reporting system. I can tell you right now I could see us abusing the snot out of that!

leepalmer95

In a game where you can make character all faction is there really 'traitors' or are they infiltration specialists.

Scamh

Aliyavana wrote: »

Faction loyalty campaigns

it's just the one guy who did this once, some pve babies got suckered maybe but i'm sure they'll get over it irl
no need for these unreasonable and draconic "solutions"

begone fools

Astrid_V wrote: »

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Ackwalan wrote: »

Do you have any proof of this, or is this just how you "feel" it happened?

I was there.

so you could have just killed the dude

Marabornwingrion

Scamh wrote: »

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Aliyavana wrote: »

Faction loyalty campaigns

it's just the one guy who did this once, some pve babies got suckered maybe but i'm sure they'll get over it irl
no need for these unreasonable and draconic "solutions"

begone fools

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Astrid_V wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Do you have any proof of this, or is this just how you "feel" it happened?

I was there.

so you could have just killed the dude

It's difficult to kill him solo when he always have his AD friends guarding him

Scamh

it never hurts to try, is what i say

ps: if it's the n that ends in an x (the only n i know), it should be your first 1vX kill upon entering cyro right after acquiring rapids

Marabornwingrion

Scamh wrote: »

ps: if it's the n that ends in an x (the only n i know), it should be your first 1vX kill upon entering cyro right after acquiring rapids

Yup, that's him.

Leeched

LMAO
Sorry but this is so funny cause I know who you talking about and he always flaming me in EP zone chat when I am playing for that faction once in a while (getting reward rank 3). He called me spy and traitor
Also I might main DC but I would never "give away information". I got better things to do.

Scamh

Rilis wrote: »

LMAO

detective scamh was on the case our villain has been revealed!

im just sceptical about n killing "everyone"
that part sounds super made up

Leeched

He is stronk, mkay?!
Best Xv1 player alive.
Didnt know he had a pact with AD tho. Only know about a pact he made with Kira when he plays on AD so EP pugs don't attack AD

Kel

https://imgur.com/9dE8Krd

"We are still looking at concerns regarding alliance loyalty in campaigns."

Maura_Neysa

Jamdarius wrote: »

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Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Would love to see account locked to Alliance for the duration of a Campaign.
You could swap to play with friends, but you couldn't swap mid campaign.
For the Alliance die-hards, like me, nothing would really change.
It would make the choice between 30 and 7 day campaign all the more valuable.

That's the cheap fix though. The real fix...

Add in NPCs titled Alliance Recruiter. When you talk to this NPC you can Join an Alliance or leave it. (Not at Character creation)
- Joining an Alliance works exactly the way the world does now
- Leaving an Alliance cost [x] gold and resets your Alliance Rank. Not the skill lines, colors, etc, just the actual Rank and Titles
- Not Joining an Alliance means you can go quest in Cryodiil. Minus all AP or Alliance based rewards. Note: this actually leaves the door open for Spies, just with no reward to it. They of course would also have their own Zone Chat too. Maybe make them still attack-able but with Increase resistances and even lower damage output. That way they aren't worth killing unless they really are spies.
Honestly the last one I is just icing, the first two are the key

Again it won't work... people have multiple accounts...Your ideas would make less players going to be traitors but at the same time It wouldn't change that some will be still traitors.

I dont think that traitors exist is the problem so much. Like legitimately traitors exist, traitors are a fact of life, and weeding them out is part of war. The problem is how easy it is to be a traitor and get away with it right now. Its not a perfect solution, but it would be a pretty easy improvement I think. Maybe not as right now Alliance swapper are the only ones who you see in the same campaign on different alliance. While if they implemented that, there would be more people (potentially) that you would see on one alliance and then another next campaign. Controlling for that would have to be via the penalty for switching. In Galaxies where I am stealing the idea from it was pretty hefty because you lost access to the BiS gear because it was achieved via your alliance rank. I dont like the idea of gear locks like that though.

AnviOfVai

While i'm not opposed to the idea of faction locking, I do jump between factions regularly in Cyrodiil. Sometimes its to play with friends in their group, other times I will jump mid game because one faction is over populating the map compared to the others. Its no fun when the whole area is one faction and there are no fights going on because all the other factions are lacking players. However this can happen because of faction jumping...players will jump to the winning team, which creates this "overpopulating faction" issue. It's not really skill of players that wins in Cyrodiil anymore... its Zergs.. ):

Maura_Neysa

AnviOfVai wrote: »

While i'm not opposed to the idea of faction locking, I do jump between factions regularly in Cyrodiil. Sometimes its to play with friends in their group, other times I will jump mid game because one faction is over populating the map compared to the others. Its no fun when the whole area is one faction and there are no fights going on because all the other factions are lacking players. However this can happen because of faction jumping...players will jump to the winning team, which creates this "overpopulating faction" issue. It's not really skill of players that wins in Cyrodiil anymore... its Zergs.. ):

I think over population could be helped a lot just by scaling the NPC against it. 1 bar faction NPC get like a IC Boss level NPC or something. Just something that makes you need at least a small group to take a keep instead of one person with time on there hands. Keep it inside the Walls, that way the can pop the Keep but it slows them down giving a bigger time to respond. This would leave Resource capping open to small scales too to F with the map

heng14rwb17_ESO

TRAITOR MUST DIE

Marabornwingrion

jabrone77 wrote: »

https://imgur.com/9dE8Krd

"We are still looking at concerns regarding alliance loyalty in campaigns."

Uploaded in April... we have August now and they're still "looking at"...
Maybe finally do something instead of just looking, ZOS?