Punishement for traitors?

Marabornwingrion

Would you like to see some kind of punishement system for traitors in Cyrodiil?

Sotha Sil, PC EU.

EP player, let's call him "N", is leading a group of unexperienced in PvP low level/low CP players to an AD keep.
After they arrived he told them to start sieging. They listened to him and as soon as siege started, player "N" relogged to his AD character and killed them all.

Another day player "N" on his EP character see a group of other EPs going to retake AD outpost.
He quickly informs his AD friends so they already waiting for EPs in this outpost and they kill them all when they arrived.
Player "N" was playing with emotes at the door and remained untouched by ADs.

Are you fine with this kind of behavior in Cyrodiil?
Should it stay like this, or should ZOS implement some kind of "traitor system", where the players could "vote" for traitors and after X amount of votes they could be punished in some way?

I'm aware that this kind of system could be abused by some groups of players.
And I know that many people wants faction locked campaigns, but ZOS removed them in the past and looks like they won't make them a thing again in nearest future.

Do you have any ideas or should we just deal with it?
It looks really bad for new players especially now, when Midyear Mayhem is up, and they come to Cyrodiil for the first time...

Ackwalan

Do you have any proof of this, or is this just how you "feel" it happened?

Marabornwingrion

Ackwalan wrote: »

Do you have any proof of this, or is this just how you "feel" it happened?

I was there.

Shadow-Fighter

There are many posts about the issue but hey it's a Cyrodiil problem, who cares!

Issue #1: ZOS dont care about their "baby"
Issue #2: ZOS dont care about Cyrodiil

Spoiler

who cares

Beardimus

@Astrid_V there's a ton of nefarious behaviour in Cyro. AP boosting, scroll moving, emp flipping and things as you describe.

I'm for any system that will help to bring some integrity back and meaning to the wider fight.

However you may be wrong about the alliance lock, @ZOS_BryanW said pre update 18 they are looking at a solution

Issue is people throw the 'want to play with friends' excuse about.

Carbonised

Alliance locking campaigns would go a long way in removing some of this behaviour.

As long as people can flip back and forth between different alliances, there's always going to be easy ways to grief, abuse or exploit.

hakan

lets say if a char is from ep. unless the user doesnt resign it from cyro, they cant enter campign with their ad dc chars. How about that?

and if they resign that character their points or whatever will be reset maybe?

PrinceDamien

Lock the account to a single faction for the duration of the campaign.
That way there can't be any Spies or whatever.
And you will be able to make up plans with friends and guild on which faction to play as during the next Campaign.

Just my thought on how to fix it. I hear about it daily when visiting Cyro.
I'm no core PvP player. I just visit when really bored to slowly earn some AP.
But it sounds like it's a big "problem". And it happens to all factions.

Beardimus

Totally. Lock that campaign for its duration on the first alliance you enter into it with. Add more 7 day campaigns perhaps if people get twitchy.

Maybe ok with that @hakan but i bet would still be abused. People switch when score goes a certain way etc. I'm for draconian measures but aye at least ur step as an interim

Lamiai

Would love to see a Campaign that is account faction locked, whatever faction you join with is the only faction you can join on that Campaign. At the very least a cooldown of like 24 hours or AP cost to join a current campaign with another alliance character. like 250k AP or something along those lines.

Personally though i don't care if someone wants to use multiple factions as long as its not abused, we shouldn't have the freedom of this removed I personally feel on all campaigns, others will not feel the same but it is what it is!

hakan

Beardimus wrote: »

Totally. Lock that campaign for its duration on the first alliance you enter into it with. Add more 7 day campaigns perhaps if people get twitchy.

Maybe ok with that @hakan but i bet would still be abused. People switch when score goes a certain way etc. I'm for draconian measures but aye at least ur step as an interim

maybe resetting score too when switched?

WuffyCerulei

I'll be honest, this sounds like griefing to me. Like purposefully misleading people to the keep to benefit themselves. It's completely disgusting and a disgrace to the EP name.

ktdotexe

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red_emu

To be fair, this adds a bit of depth to the AvAvA war. Just like in real conflicts, there are spies, saboteurs, traitors. To me, it makes it more realistic. Yes, I get triggered immensely too when I see it happen but war is war


P.S. I would be more than happy to have alliance campaign locks for the duration but as you know, it is never going to happen...

Hamish999

Carbonised wrote: »

Alliance locking campaigns would go a long way in removing some of this behaviour.

As long as people can flip back and forth between different alliances, there's always going to be easy ways to grief, abuse or exploit.

I lead PvP groups for my guild once a week, we rotate factions so that everyone gets a go in Cyrodiil and Imperial City.
We do this purely for fun and to introduce guildies to Cyrodiil and PvP as it can be very daunting to inexperienced players.
I don't care about the alliance war, I just want to play, on any faction with my guildies and have fun.

Hamish999

Double post

efster

What OP describes is bullying. Bullying is a form of harassment; harassment is against the ToS. Mass report the player for harassment with proof and details, and let him enjoy his temp bans and account strikes.

ArchMikem

A wolf in sheep's clothing purposefully leading the lambs to slaughter...

Carbonised

Hamish999 wrote: »

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Carbonised wrote: »

Alliance locking campaigns would go a long way in removing some of this behaviour.

As long as people can flip back and forth between different alliances, there's always going to be easy ways to grief, abuse or exploit.

I lead PvP groups for my guild once a week, we rotate factions so that everyone gets a go in Cyrodiil and Imperial City.
We do this purely for fun and to introduce guildies to Cyrodiil and PvP as it can be very daunting to inexperienced players.
I don't care about the alliance war, I just want to play, on any faction with my guildies and have fun.

Then have your guildmates or friends use the same alliance character for a campaign. How hard can it be.

I, too, started my pvp experience with a large guild, and you could not join in unless you were on an EP character, so yeah, that's really not a problem, and no excuse not to stick with alliance locking.

It's not guild play that's a problem here, it's a few individuals who deliberately abuse the system, like the OP write in their post above, or examples where someone is on one alliance in IC, then immediately logs onto another to gank someone who was farming stones with them etc etc.

essi2

Yea, I think it's time to bring back Campaign locks.

Hamish999

Carbonised wrote: »

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Hamish999 wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Alliance locking campaigns would go a long way in removing some of this behaviour.

As long as people can flip back and forth between different alliances, there's always going to be easy ways to grief, abuse or exploit.

I lead PvP groups for my guild once a week, we rotate factions so that everyone gets a go in Cyrodiil and Imperial City.
We do this purely for fun and to introduce guildies to Cyrodiil and PvP as it can be very daunting to inexperienced players.
I don't care about the alliance war, I just want to play, on any faction with my guildies and have fun.

Then have your guildmates or friends use the same alliance character for a campaign. How hard can it be.

I, too, started my pvp experience with a large guild, and you could not join in unless you were on an EP character, so yeah, that's really not a problem, and no excuse not to stick with alliance locking.

It's not guild play that's a problem here, it's a few individuals who deliberately abuse the system, like the OP write in their post above, or examples where someone is on one alliance in IC, then immediately logs onto another to gank someone who was farming stones with them etc etc.

We aren't an alliance locked guild, we are a casual guild with all 3 alliances present and some people don't have a toon of each alliance.

Morgul667

Ackwalan wrote: »

Do you have any proof of this, or is this just how you "feel" it happened?

Ive seen this attitude happen many tines

The N guy sometimes even start to put oils all around the ram to avoid the other team to use ballista

Marabornwingrion

Beardimus wrote: »

However you may be wrong about the alliance lock, @ZOS_BryanW said pre update 18 they are looking at a solution

Source?

LifenLemons

I'm not all for teaming up. I'm too paranoid and I don't trust other pvp'ers (lol). It certainly is not fun when you come accross a green or purple or orange, but think about it this way... If eso pvp cyrodiil was real, people would be betraying their respective houses anyways. Makes it a tad more authentic
There's a slight part of me who prefers that in the game rather than not. Of course it could just be the head injuries that I suffered in cyrodiil that's talking...

SantieClaws

Khajiit would suggest they sent to do penance at Claws Temple Spa Resort.

Always this one has pools to be cleaned, things to be swept, kittens to be babysat, grapes to be stomped.

That, together with a regime of prayer, study and a light diet, should purge them of all their will to do anything at all.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

LifenLemons

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit would suggest they sent to do penance at Claws Temple Spa Resort.

Always this one has pools to be cleaned, things to be swept, kittens to be babysat, grapes to be stomped.

That, together with a regime of prayer, study and a light diet, should purge them of all their will to do anything at all.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR YOU?

Jamdarius

Well in my case my main is EP but I have other alliance toons, entering same campaigns happens and tbh I go to DC and AD alliances only to get rank 1 before end of week/month to get my transmutation geodes - never used it and never will to give out information to other alliances/friends/guildmates. This mess is tbh caused by players, if our PvP'ing community would be better this topic would not come to light... If you ask me: I am up for locking campaigns to one alliance if that solves the problem. there are plenty of other campaigns where I can get that rank 1 for end of campaign rewards.

Merlin13KAGL

You could add a cooldown on entering the same campaign on an alternatively allied character. That would fix circumstances like situation #1.

Sharing of inside information via third party utilities (Discord, TS, etc) is unavoidable in all circumstances.

Some people are gonna be ***, regardless.

LadyNalcarya

ArchMikem wrote: »

A wolf in sheep's clothing purposefully leading the lambs to slaughter...

Zerglings are not lambs XD
But its a scummy behaviour nonetheless.

Vrany69

Hahahah exactly this

TheValar85

i can only think about radical punishments, like: zero down the ap of the individuals, and also removing them from the score board.

but honestly i think campain lock would be nice.